Calling someone’s post dismissive and lazy strikes me as petty and a wee bit personal
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After posts where you said -- w/o specifying -- "you should have quit while you were ahead," mocked my answer to @Mac9192 's question, and insinuated I was some out of touch ivory tower lib, I'd say it was well warranted. Anything else?
So you now concede that you were petty but claim it was well warranted. Perhaps you are right to be offended by the ivory tower comment or maybe you just need a hug. Either way I don’t give a damn what you think you are entitled to. I enjoy a spirited debate, but I’ve had enough for one day. I bid you a good evening
You know, Mac, the way you keeping bringing me into conversations feels a bit odd. You know you are not my type right? also i do have a partner.
Haha. I’ll pray for her. Back to the issue you keep avoiding. Why want you enlighten us with your 6 month praise report of Sleepy Joe?
Because there is zero point. You dismiss everything that is offered and then call me one of the worst posters here. So why would I bother? When you are ready to put your big boy pants on and discuss issues without all the insults, then maybe. I will tell you that while I was desperate that Trump not be given a second term and more opportunities to destroy this country, I also DO like what Biden is trying to accomplish. So you are dead wrong that I just like Biden because he is not Trump.
You choose to say I’ll insult you. That’s because you bring nothing with substance to the table. Nothing.
Trump did more in his first week as President that was good than these hacks have done in 6 months. But he hurt your feelings. He tweeted mean things.
Bless your heart.
You aren’t a Biden supporter, only a Trump hater. You all are.
This is exhibit A. I AM a Biden supporter. He has a vision of this country that I wholly support. Trump did not hurt my feelings but I am indeed a Trump hater. Quite frankly I think that the people that are not have their heads in the sand. His tweeting mean things should have embarrassed all of us. This was not five years old in a sand box. He was supposed to be the leader of the free world. And he did jack **** for anyone other than a small group of billionaires who wanted to get richer. Also, I have asked any number of times whether it bothered you that he dusted off his copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion to make a campaign commercial that was breathtaking in its anti-semitism. You have never even acknowledged that he did so. I would like an answer to that question.
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I actually answered you once and you basically told me I was wrong, so it is not worth the effort. Like with Mac, when you want to have an actual discussion where you listen to what I have to say and don't just knee jerk tell me I am wrong, let me know. I actually don't think you are willing to do that so. good news and good night.
You're being ridiculous. One, the other question was for anyone to answer. It was what is better now than two years ago. Something to that effect. This was a question related to your vague comment that you like what Biden is trying to accomplish. Is it that hard to provide substance to that? It is 100% of the time, you that avoids actual discussions. So save me the drama and put the victim card away for once. If you want to just make blanket statements without context, fine. You do you.
I really wish you brought something to the table. But you start rambling about meaningless garbage, or make an even more ridiculous comment, accusing someone you disagree with of anti-semitism.
We literally have a President now that doesn’t know the difference between his basement and the Oval Office, yet you make these laughable comments.
It’s obvious you aren’t feeling well.
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I do not concede that. I also didn't bring it up until you accused me of something, as if what I said was not in response to what you said without provocation.
People are talking about race (i.e. antiracism literature, BLM, CRT) a whole lot more than ever before, and yet relations appear to have deteriorated between blacks and whites, at least according to this poll. Is that counterintuitive? Is it possible that constantly discussing race issues actually exacerbates the issue? 66% to 36% over the course of a 7-year period is quite the drop.
How do you do that? And how do you know when you have successfully extended your privilege?
Also, how do you know if someone is not privileged in the first place - or conversely, how do you know if they are privileged?
What game? People have agency to do as they please.
In your estimation, has real peace ever existed then? Don't think I can identify a society that has ever existed without a multitude of problems.
Number 5 was great. We saw that get reversed by Biden right away. Everyone that drives to work took a pay cut when Sleepy Joe made his decision, and jobs were lost.
Trump has a mouth, no one will deny. But he made decisions that helped working Americans.
People are talking about race (i.e. antiracism literature, BLM, CRT) a whole lot more than ever before, and yet relations appear to have deteriorated between blacks and whites, at least according to this poll. Is that counterintuitive? Is it possible that constantly discussing race issues actually exacerbates the issue? 66% to 36% over the course of a 7-year period is quite the drop.
How do you do that? And how do you know when you have successfully extended your privilege?
Also, how do you know if someone is not privileged in the first place - or conversely, how do you know if they are privileged?
What game? People have agency to do as they please.
In your estimation, has real peace ever existed then? Don't think I can identify a society that has ever existed without a multitude of problems.
This would be a worthwhile discussion if we can keep it above the partisan and more to the substance. Discuss to share and not be right and acknowledge we can all learn - both sides, I hold out hope.
If there are racial issues to discuss, discuss we must. Otherwise we're just enjoying silence or/and suffering in silence. If that causes tension and for racial relations to decline, well... you have to break eggs to make omelets.People are talking about race (i.e. antiracism literature, BLM, CRT) a whole lot more than ever before, and yet relations appear to have deteriorated between blacks and whites, at least according to this poll. Is that counterintuitive? Is it possible that constantly discussing race issues actually exacerbates the issue? 66% to 36% over the course of a 7-year period is quite the drop.
How do you do that? And how do you know when you have successfully extended your privilege?
Also, how do you know if someone is not privileged in the first place - or conversely, how do you know if they are privileged?
What game? People have agency to do as they please.
In your estimation, has real peace ever existed then? Don't think I can identify a society that has ever existed without a multitude of problems.
I have a lot of privilege and I can use it simply by acknowledging it and speaking up when I see anyone being treated unfairly. For example, a summer or two back at the pool, I watched a woman frown at a group of Black teenagers in the pool, walk over to an employee, and say something while pointing back at them. I intercepted the employee en route to the teens and asked what the woman had said. She had reported them for being too unruly. I told the employee that it was bogus, that they were playing like normal teenagers. That's a small example.
Some privilege is obvious: White, male, able-bodied. Some is harder to ascertain: cis, hetero, wealth, education, Christian. Same w/ a lack of privilege.
I said "game" within a figure of speech. Keep poor White people afraid that Mexicans are taking their jobs and they don't organize against the employer paying them starvation wages.
TownHall is so questionable it doesn't even get a ranking on the left-right spectrum.
This is why your question isn't legitimate: You only accept answers that fit your worldview, so you would reject anything anyone said about what President Biden has done well.
To be fair, the question is subjective to different opinions and views. So of course there will be disagreements in whatever answer you or anyone else would give. The problem is, nobody is giving any real answers for what it is that Biden has done so far that has made or will make our lives better. Or any promising ideas that he has. So far, this is one of the worst presidencies when it comes to transparency. I am not barking up the worst president ever tree by any means. BTW. Just that if they are doing anything positive, they're hiding it pretty good.
The main reason I posted that article was for #5. The Keystone pipeline shutdown was one of Biden's first moves, and the fallout from it was huge. You obviously didn't read it, or at least scan the 10 achievements. That one (#5) can't be argued at all. If you can't at least admit that one, then you aren't fit to be a teacher.
Show something, anything, that Biden has done well, other than eat ice cream.
The concern is that these sort of discussions will cause many to see themselves as victims. There is nothing virtuous about facilitating victimhood.
On the other side of the aisle, others may see the alleged victims as constant-complainers, always seeking the easy way out. Or perhaps, on the contrary, they feel guilty for their status and question if they've actually warranted anything. Not saying we can't address grievances (especially specific issues), but at some point we have to question whether there are diminishing returns for our efforts, or perhaps even negative returns.
That's all and well. But, what does that have to do with privilege? You don't need to be a white male to voice your opinion. You don't need to have some sort of status or privilege to voice your thoughts. Anybody can speak up. And a white male doesn't automatically assume more clout than the next person.
Is it fair to judge people by their immutable characteristics?
The question is not being asked in good faith. There is no answer @Mac9192 would accept.
No real dog in this fight, but I do enjoy the back and forth. I did find this rather interesting today from Fox:
What do you readers think of the take from Doocy? OFC
What do you readers think of the take from Doocy? OFC
Well it would help if you gave one. The only thing people like you do is find problems, and assign the blame. There isn’t one concrete thing any of you have to say about the JOB Biden is doing. Instead, you all come back with “no matter what I say, you’ll disagree.” I’ve given you what Trump did, and it’s a fact. Also mentioned what Sleepy Joe did right away, which hurt everyone. Also a fact.
You and the others are like the pissed off kid at the playground that gets mad and takes his ball home.
Your first paragraph is interesting. You state that in “order to make an omelet you have to break a few eggs”, that the discussion of race relations was so vital to our wellbeing that it’s worth it even if race relations decline. I thought the point of discussing it was to improve the state of race relations or is discussing it meant primarily to improve the daily lives of nonwhites? The two go hand in hand which you may or may not agree with
Mac is a pretty intense guy. I get a kick out of his style. But he could have easily just said, "there's not an answer you will accept" or "you're not asking in good faith" when you asked him for an example. He at least gave you an answer with some substance behind it.
You don't seem to be a Biden boy, so it wouldn't be fair to put it all in your lap. But the question has been asked by multiple people, multiple times and we can't seem to be able to get anyone on the left to give a substantive answer. Which IMO confirms that it is all about feelings with a lot on the left and policy means little. JMO, of course. No way I could prove it to be true.
Early to know what the long term side effects are of the vaccine or covid for that matter, but it’s unfortunate how political it’s gotten vp Harris saying that she wouldn’t get it when it was linked to Trump. Now some on the right see vax refusal as a way to signal their proTrump bona fides. Hope the vax rates go up but am opposed to a mandate
No he hasn’t done much yet, but if he brings back Cash for Clunkers that could be a game changer
I did read it, and I agree with the shutdown, as the pipeline violates sacred indigenous lands.
What are your credentials for determining teacher fitness?
President Biden's COVID-19 response has been far superior to President Trump's.
He's signed something like 75 Executive Orders. Whether you agree w/ them or not, that's doing something.
I'd say addressing racial inequities is important enough to upset the facade of good race relations. During Jim Crow, some might claim race relations were absolutely fine as long as Black people "knew their place."
The only legitimately good race relations come about as the result of justice.
This is a terrible post. The only thing worth a reply is you asking for credentials for teacher fitness. I’m 48, been around plenty of teachers. Admire the fact most want to teach children. I think you’re an angry white man. One that pounds the “racists” gavel, yet offers no real solutions.
I think white liberals (I’m looking at you) are just a dressed up version of the redneck with a Confederate flag tattoo.
A spray painted turd is still a turd.
Woah! You've "been around plenty of teachers"?!
There is no way I come off as angrier than you do.
I stand by my entire post.
Except, we're now living in a time period where there are no codified laws which allow you to discriminate on the basis of gender, race, age, or sexual orientation. The law is about as neutral as it can be. Are there still vastly different outcomes? Of course. Absolutely. And there always will be. Disparate lifestyles/cultures invariably lead to disparate outcomes. You can't correct for hard work unless you're opening advocating for discrimination. That's one of the big hang ups over the CRT controversy. It tries to fight perceived discrimination (what's written in the laws), with actual discrimination.
Interesting take and you could argue with current hiring and admission practices, poor whites are the most discriminated against group in many aspects
The '94 crime bill didn't specifically codify racial discrimination, but it resulted in that anyway. The "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy was supposed to protect LGBTQ people, but ended up hurting them. Voter ID laws disproportionately affect and disenfranchise Black people.
You are ignoring discrimination based on its not being stated explicitly on the one hand, then claiming actual discrimination from CRT based on interpretation.