Most abortions are a matter of convenience in those cases the woman had no choice in getting pregnant.I believe you said that you were black so how do you feel about the fact that more black babies were aborted in NY than were born
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I hate it. I also hate that there are so many unwanted, unplanned pregnancies. I'm pro-abortion being legal, that doesn't mean I personally believe in the idea that it's a form of birth control.
I am a huge believer in safety net services, and I think "pro-life" folks should be as well. If someone is going to demand that an unprepared mother give birth to a child that same person should be first in line to do their part to help provide for that child.
Back to your above post, and I've never actually been able to get anywhere with this in real life, if you believe life begins at conception (for the record, I do not) why do you feel an exception should be made for victims of rape? Is the fetus that was conceived somehow less of a life than another one due to how it was conceived?
This is where I am inconsistent probably but to me it is a matter where I abhor any type of violence toward women.To me this is the most violent thing a woman can endure and forcing her to live with the consequences is just not right.As to your point about supporting the baby is one where the father should be required to support the child.I also know ther e are thousands of people who would desperately wanting to adopt babies
I agree with the violence part about women, and I'm glad you admit you're inconsistent there. The reality is that we as people care about things we can relate to and don't care as much about things we feel don't affect us. Just like how you added the part about about situations like your niece experienced, pregnancies that can harm the mother is something that is real to you, so that makes for an acceptable abortion. I agree with all the scenarios you stated, I just feel like it is not my place to dictate to a woman based on my personal feelings.
I agree with you about the father should take care of his child. I also think that ideally a mother should be able to, too. That said, since you don't believe in punishing a child (since you view an 8-week fetus the same as a child) for the actions of its parent (abortion), I'm unsure why you would believe it OK punish an 8 year-old child for the inactions or inabilities of his parents by not seeing to it that his basic needs are met and he is given a chance to succeed in life. Basically, if you see the government has a duty to care for one shouldn't the government have a duty to care for the other?
I cannot agree with you about the government . I agree with the sentiment that the most terrifying word in the world is I am with the government and I am here to help you.Throughout history it has proven to be true that the more power the government has the less freedom you have.I truly believe that no one in this country cannot be successfulif they are willing to pay the price for that success regardless of race
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How about punishing deadbeat and derelict fathers and mothers?
By not giving them free gov't handouts.
So, you're not so much pro-life as you are pro get-'em-here-and-let-'em-fend-for-themselves, correct?
The left doesn’t want to address any issue that put accountability on the citizens. They choose to blame law enforcement, or white america. It’s all about votes. The left figures there’s more votes to be had that way.
Some won’t agree, but it’s the truth.
Some won’t agree, but it’s the truth.
I'm more for personal accountability and self reliance than I am for anything else. I do think abortion is wrong in most cases. Do I damn people for eternity b/c they've went that route? Absolutely not. Its not an issue I like to contemplate in depth b/c its truly terrible. I'm also against idiots having kids they certainly cant properly care for. I can't get behind supporting dipshits like this---but hopefully we can have a system where the kids born out of these situations don't have to live and grow up with people that make these really dumb decisions.
I believe in personal accountability. I also believe in helping those who need it and helping those who cannot help themselves.
What it sounds like you're talking about, pulling kids out of homes where the kids live in poor socioeconomic settings, is far more "big government," than offering financial assistance to help them provide basic necessities.
But even if you go that route, won't tax dollars still be spent caring for the kids?
No, not what I'm saying. I'm saying neglected kids should be placed in loving families that are responsible enough to educate and shelter them in a normal loving environment. Not families who shelter kids for money. Not paid for by the gov't. It just detests me when people don't care for their children...and then keep having more. Nothing is worse than child abuse/neglect IMO.
Agree with your first and last parts. As far as taxes being spent to care for kids born out of unfortunate situations? I’d say most people wouldn’t mind if it really goes to helping children. It’s when the government gets their hands in the cookie jar. That’s the problem.
Most people don’t mind helping the helpless, it’s the clueless/useless that’s the problem.
The first part of the paragraph sounds like you're talking about foster care but then in the next sentence it sounds like you're talking about eliminating the foster care system.
Did I misinterpret that?
I'd love to make a big push for adoption. Foster care is necessary, but GD its abused at an unacceptable rate. Somethings gotta change. So, in my experience you go to the root of the problem. Thats leads us back to the irresponsible moms, deadbeat dads, and people that are much more useless and clueless than helpless.
some of those irresponsible moms, deadbeat dads, and useless and clueless people are genuinely ill prepared for the magnitude and responsibility that is required to raise a child....some with mental health issues, some with substance abuse issues, some dealing with homelessness and joblessness.....helping and assisting people showing kindness and goodness is a start...everyone unfortunately aren't afforded the same opportunities and circumstances in which personal responsibility and self-reliance just isn't enough for some.....
Since we're talking about assistance recipients and you brought up blaming white America for one's inability to achieve the American Dream, I'd like to point out that a 2018 report showed the number of white, working age Americans without a college degree who used welfare dollars to lift them out of poverty was 6.2 million.
Based on every current study of the past four years, non-college educated whites are Donald Trump's most secure base.
There's non educated (beyond high school) and flat out ignorant. Ignorance isnt skin color dependent. Being skilled in a trade without a formal education doesn't exactly mean someone is uneducated.
I don't have a viable answer to solve the problem. I just know you can't keep enabling people who will always be a net negative. I wish I had a reasonable solution to fix it.
Imo the biggest difference between liberals and conservatives is that conservatives want everyone to have equal opportunities to be successful while liberals want everyone to have equal results while not taking into consideration that some people are smarter and work harderThe American Dream garantees you have that opportunity not that you achieve your goals
I completely agree with the difference between uneducated and ignorant.
My post was to reflect that there are plenty on the current right who rely on government handouts all the while disregarding personal accountability and blaming somebody else for their shortfalls in life.
@Mac9192 made that out to be a partisan issue (the left blaming cops and white America rather than taking personal responsibility) when it's a little more complicated than that.
topps, thats the thing, everyone doesnt have the same opportunities and people's playing fields are different.....we all love Duke basketball, but in some ways its kinda like the Unbalanced regular season schedule.....some teams have a harder schedule and some have an easier schedule...some play all the tough teams at home, some play all the tough teams on the road....some schedule has more mid and top tier opponents...some has the bottom feeders and middle tier mostly....dem dont want equal results that absurd...more so just the equal opportunity...you get the chance and you fall flat, then thats on you...many are just begging for the chance....Many just want the coach to put them in the game
What I said is the left uses white america as a political motive. It’s a dog and pony show by them, one used to make minorities believe the crap they’re being told by the politicians and media.
It isn’t as much about race as it is their attempt to get the urban america vote.
Education and intelligence aren’t guaranteed to go together. Some have both, some have neither. The educated that lacks intelligence is as dangerous as the uneducated that also lacks intelligence.
a skilled trade does require formal education at a community college (as that is where most of those skilled trade skills are learned) that affords many people to live very good lives
Well, that's because there are plenty of idiots on the right. Idiots do idiotic things. The 2 party system is breeding more idiots. People can be proven certifiably wrong and it doesnt even matter anymore.
I would say that the right uses just as many scare tactics and motives as well...they gonna take your guns....they gonna take over the suburbs, and etc....."they who" exactly?
Skilled trades lead to small business ownership. There should be a major push in this direction. Its a no brainer.
If you talking 1960 I would agree with you but since then there has been a concerted effort to level the playing field.Affirmative action expanded student loan ,Pell grants which Imo are all positive good programs and should be be maintained.Again my opinion is that many minority leaders push being a victim rather than taking advantage of opportunities.Self reliance and hard work are the only avenues for success.The government has set the table it is up to the individual to set down and eat the meal
Joe Biden in a interview saying bingo when asked about confiscating guns.Beto saying he’ll yes when asked taking gun who Biden had said would be his gun czar.Kamala saying if elected would give Congress three or four months to get gun control legislation to her or she would do it by executive ordet
Minorities can draw on their own experiences without being told what to think by the media and politicians.
Do you think right wing media and politicians pray on the fears of white people?
The whole saving the suburbs, taking your guns and opening the door for the Mexicans to come across the border so they can kill you, rape your wife and sell your daughter into prostitution seems kind of like fear-mongering to me.
For point of argument, I have no criminal record and I would still feel safe in saying I've had more negative interactions with police than you have had interactions with MS-13 members.
I don't need the media to tell me the average police officer would view and treat me and mine very differently than they would you and yours. Statistical evidence, anecdotal evidence and personal experience shows me that. I don't need a politician to do it.
Never said some from the right doesn’t use their own scare tactics. But, the initial discussion has been over abortion, unfit parents... which is why I said what I have.
The political games these politicians (both parties) have been using for a long time, has only been done to keep us divided.
Unfortunately, ever since I’ve been voting, I’ve always chosen the lesser of the 2 evils.
I don’t think it’s that way this time. I was hesitant in 16, but Trump, as crazy as he is, actually makes decisions that I have agreed with, and he has my vote again.
Some look at words, and cringe, but I look at the overall picture. His actions have been good.
That’s just not true. The minority base has been voting democrat for decades, and poverty hasn’t improved. For some reason they believe the garbage they’re being sold.
Look up the top 20 cities with the highest poverty, and look at which party has led those cities, and for how long.
The definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over, yet expect different results.
I understand the notion of lesser of two evils (believe me, I do), I just don't see how Donald Trump's GOP is the lesser if two evils. As I've said in discussion with others, I can't see past his words and truly his actions are not any better.
I have never see in my life (we're close in age, by the way) a President who flat let's it be known he doesn't care about a large portion of his constituency (the majority if you go by approval ratings, 2016's popular vote and 2018's mid-term elections).
Trump's words don't exist in a vacuum. They have impact, they just don't seem to have impact to many of those who they're not aimed at.
As far as actions being good, the market has continued the upward trajectory it was on when he took office. I have no complaints about it. The percentage growth from when Obama took office to when he left office is greater, however, than from the time Trump took office to now.
Obama's administration created more jobs in its last three years than Trump's did in its first three years.
Congrats to the Trump administration on Black unemployment rate prior to the pandemic. Much like the market, he just continued in the same direction.
His handling of the pandemic has been a disaster, and has shown his words have impact.
His rejection of data and science is dangerous. There's really no other way to say that. I would argue it is dangerous to have the leader of any major operation be the type of person who seems to reject any statistical analysis that tells him something he doesn't want to hear.
I feel the impact he has had on the political discourse in this country may irreparable. I feel he has set race relations back, but hopefully that can be repaired.
I see why you’re saying what you are about him. But, to be fair, the media are a bunch of liars. They take what he says, and spin the **** out of it. I’ve watched some of his interviews, and press conferences. I don’t like how he rambles, and pounds his chest, but they twist what he says, and many, many times, just flat out tell lies.
If someone gets their news from anything other than Fox, you will not like him.
The Charlottesville incident is a true example, as is his immigration comment a while back. Find both of his entire clips. If you do, you will see he was 100% correct. But, the media sold it to their base, showing only the portion they wanted to make him look bad.
It’s actually criminal how bad our media is.
true, there has been efforts and at the same time being undermined by what some go through and there circumstance...their entry into life...its easy to say hard work and self reliance and even with all that obstacles continually get placed in front of you that your counterparts dont...like trump said, "it is what it is"
The media is far more to blame for race relations than Trump. Not even close.
We live in a country that awards you the opportunity to succeed. We don't live in a country that guarantees you the same success or the same path as everyone else. If you had a tough path, than you had to work harder than those who had an easier path. People who had an easier path had it because they were put in a better position by their parents. That's the importance in parenting. You work hard and fight obstacles in hopes that your children get a better starting position than you had and hope that they do the same for their children and so on and so on.
trump lies so much, no spin is needed....the spin is trying to clean up what he said and he doubles down on what he said after all the tried cleanup....it doesnt take much twisting of his words.....he says what he says and means what he says was a mantra, then when he says something it gets attempted to be rationalized....it has been tough watching people trying their hardest to change his words/intentions
Think about what you wrote. You're actually saying the only media sources I can trust when it comes to the President of the United States are Sean Hannity and Lou Dobbs. Everybody else is part of a huge conspiracy to make him look like a fool.
The Charlottesville comments were what they were. Him trying to make critical comments about ardent supporters of his because he kinda has to in that situation but giving them the wink and the gun by saying the whole part about fine people on both sides. He has continuously done that.
Look at comments in 2016 when he was given multiple opportunities to condemn white supremacists and to reject the support of David Duke. He said he wasn't familiar with the Klan. Really?
Lool up HW Bush's rejection of white supremacists and Duke when asked about Duke's Louisiana campaign. That's how you dismiss and discredit somebody, not the lightweight **** Trump does because he doesn't want to lose the support of those people.
But what if I get my opinions from his tweets? They don't spin that and, as much as I hate it, his tweeting is a major part of the leader he is.