At this point the voter fraud argument is the same as the Russian collusion/stolen election accusations last time but with positions reversed.... until we see the facts nothing is true its all conjecture supported by partisan conviction. Neither side will be persuaded as both sides seek to be right and win, not to be persuaded. All will be revealed in due time...whether it gets air time is another debate
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Come on Ghost, get it together. It's very fair how Sleepy Joe reeled in the most votes, ever. The key was to stay in the basement 80% of the time, and the establishment plan a wonderful, hard to prove, mass mail in scheme. They couldn't, and wouldn't, let the Donald win again.
Surely you can see this. There's no way anything could go wrong with mass mail ballots going to cities that are dumpster fires already.
How can you possibly think this?
I love the way the Democrats can change the narrative on every issue.The economy is a good example.It started with are jobs going to be created with a magic wand to Trump just inherited the great Obama economy.After the economy crashed it was all Trump’s fault with his handling of the pandemic even though we are well on the way to recovery
Tell a lie enough and people will believe it to be true. That's what he's done for years and it's what he's doing now. It amazes me how so many who claim to love "freedom" so much will so willingly embrace an autocratic monster who is behaving like a petulant child in the toy section at Walmart who isn't getting his way.
I know you said purely hypothetical, I just wanted to make sure I understood. I don't think "they," could furiously produce hundreds of thousands of fresh ballots across multiple states when they realized Trump was going to win.
I think it is much more likely that, for example, Pennsylvania was legit. I'm sure I've said it before, but here goes:
Based on popular vote loss, an approval rating that never topped 45 percent and four years worth of rhetoric that pissed of huge societal cross-section, Donald Trump would be considered a historically unpopular President. And yes, I will concede, due to his rhetoric and personality he is absolutely loved by a huge number of people.
Trump won Pennsylvania, a historical blue state in 2016 by roughly 33,000 votes. To do so, he beat a historically bad (disliked old woman following a status quo-breaking President who took the state for granted) in a year that had lower than expected turnout. Remember, that lends to the idea that a lot of democrats in the blue collar towns stayed home because they disliked her and thought Trump was a gimmick who had no chance to win.
Taking the two above things into account, it's not hard for me to believe that an opponent who was the polar opposite of Hillary Clinton in virtually every way was able to swing that historically blue state back to blue, especially when you factor in Covid and Trump's years of criticizing blue states.
So all the poll workers coming out with sworn affidavits about suspicious activities in polling places are conspiracy nuts even though they are risking perjury charges if they are lying.
I just read a report on the Michigan affidavits and none of the things alleged sound like they rise to fraudulent or illegal activities.
We'll see how things turn out. I don't expect anything to come of it. As I previously said, the guy (and his surrogates) pushing the narrative is the same guy who pushed a voter fraud narrative four years earlier. The same guy tried to prove it by forming a commission to prove it and failed.
Except Trump has more votes in Pennsylvania this year than he did in 2016 and the ridiculous numbers coming out of Philadelphia where the turnout is somewhere above 90% and each dump of votes that they release are above 90% for Biden. You and I both know there is some fvckery there. It's whatever. Most people do not vote with their feelings. You are absolutely right about his rhetoric and how it turns people off. But when you have a state like Pennsylvania where the energy sector is a major influence on people’s livelihoods, I think a lot of people are going to overlook his character and vote for his policies. Which they did. It's just that a historic number of voters turned out in Philadelphia for a low energy do nothing politician and gave him more votes than 2008 and 2012 Barack Obama. Nothing to see here.
It's all about where you get your news from. The same people that have been red assed for four years are the same people telling you now everything is on the up and up.
Liberals: No way cheating was done, glitches? what glitches? There's no issue in these cities stopping counting. So what that Biden was behind 665,000 votes, and a week later he's up 45,700. Why wasn't there cheating in Senators races? There's no way cheating happened in Philly or Atlanta. Those 2 cities run smooth as silk.
Stop imagining things. Fox doesn't know what they're talking about. CNN is fair. So what that Cuomo's brother is the governor of NY. Trump is just a mean jerk. Biden is a man of integrity. Harris will make a great VP.
In a nutshell, you flowers vote with your feelings and not facts.
Liberals: No way cheating was done, glitches? what glitches? There's no issue in these cities stopping counting. So what that Biden was behind 665,000 votes, and a week later he's up 45,700. Why wasn't there cheating in Senators races? There's no way cheating happened in Philly or Atlanta. Those 2 cities run smooth as silk.
Stop imagining things. Fox doesn't know what they're talking about. CNN is fair. So what that Cuomo's brother is the governor of NY. Trump is just a mean jerk. Biden is a man of integrity. Harris will make a great VP.
In a nutshell, you flowers vote with your feelings and not facts.
Biden was the safe candidate, that's why he got the nomination. He wasn't my first choice. Hell I might not have even had one out of candidates.
Joe Biden has approximately 76 million votes at the time I type this. If you put a gun to the head of every person who cast a vote, set it to go off if they lied and then asked each one if they voted for Biden or against Trump, I bet 50 million, if not more, would tell you they were casting a vote against Trump. That alone gives me confidence that the turnout is legit. Republicans have acknowledged in the past this election was all about Trump. I agree with that.
Given the uptick in new Covid cases in the US and the fact that a lot of Europe is locking down again to try to control their spike, I would say we are nowhere near recovery. The news about the vaccine is encouraging but we have been down this road before only to have our hopes dashed when the vaccine did not pan out once used in humans.
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To be fair, some of Biden's voters in Philadelphia have probably already had a gun to their head. Years ago, and have been dead ever since.
with razor thin margins, what could well have cost Trump is the Libertarian vote...ironic if so, as they stand for less government, more freedom but could have ended up creating a result that may bring the opposite. The libertarian vote in swing states is more than enough to change those races.
The party of unity strikes again.Robert Reich,AOC, and other leading Democrats call for Trump supporters be put on a list for retribution.
I saw AOC stuff a couple days ago about archiving tweets. I don't like **** like that. Unfortunately that type of mindset speaks to a lot of people.
I wrote on here a few days ago that she is somewhat of a Trump for the other sides. Just like a dumbass segment of Republicans got off on Trump's foul rhetoric and trolling the left, a dumbass segment of Democrats get off on the same type of stuff.
AOC, because of her age and story, has a lot of upside but **** like that helps no one.
Not just her there are many other Democrats and main stream media figures calling for same thing
I just saw the tweet and all she asked was whether these tweets were being archived for posterity so that when those people who denied their involvement in Trump's antics their own word would show that they were in fact complicit. I actually don't see a problem with that. Everything is archived including Twitter and accurate history relies on primary sources. Asking that these be maintained really just does not seem offensive to me. they are, after all, public tweets. If emails are fair game why not tweets?
I reread your previous post and I got to ask about the being marked for retribution thing. What exactly is being proposed outside of what I said?
I want the Trump takeover of American politics to end. I'm all for allowing Republicans to begin publicly distancing themselves from him and acting if they were never that big on hastens that process if it speeds up the process.
Do you ever have any criticism for the left? At least @Jtre will say when he feels one did something he thinks is stupid. Or are you just gonna be in your own rigid world, unhappy as hell?
AOC is a dangerous tramp. Speaks volumes about the people of her district that someone like her can be in Congress.
Edit. Just read Jtre post above. He just can’t be logical but a little. After throwing a small compliment at him, he then reverts back to his happy place.
What I said in my second post didn't undo what I said in the first one. I'm still critical of the mindset AOC is displaying, and I'm saying nothing good comes from it. I do believe good will come from the Republican party moving on from the dude who took it over. That takeover comment is Jared Kushner quote, by the way.
Why are you always so disrespectful of women? You've called AOC a tramp, Kamala Harris a ho and you go out of your way to call @durhamgolfer "lady," when directly addressing them. Seriously, why?
I’m equal opportunity. This is 2020 after all. There’s plenty of women I like, just none from the left. Schumer is a loser, you know how I feel about Sleepy Joe.
Durham has to be a lady. No man gets fired up like she does about abortion, plus she hasn’t denied it when I call her one. You haven’t noticed?
I think you’re in the parking lot left of left field. Durhamgolfer and Shatter aren’t even in the parking lot.
I get your point. But a history will be written. it is just the way we are and an examination of how we got to this place in ours history is a social good. Those tweets will be direct source material. I don't really have any problem with AOC reminding these guys of that. And like I said, given that everything posted on the internet is stored, what she is asking is hardly novel or dictatorial. she is pointing out what we all do or should tell our kids. What you put on the internet is permanent.
She and others like her has said future employers should not hire Trump supporters.Juan Williams on the Fove said paraphrasing him that if he had a company people who supported Trump should not be employed.So 70 million people should lose their livelihood.The party of unity
Loser and sleepy are not the same as using misogynist terms to refer to women.
That's stupid. I can see, depending on the type of company, not wanting to be associated with certain people in Trump's orbit or not wanting them in public facing roles but I don't care who somebody votes for when it comes to them working for me.
@topps coach , but I have to ask for you to stop with this sarcastic party of unity stuff. Trump has spent four years splitting this country all the way down to the ******** statements of, "we're doing great if with COVID if we ignore the blue states," and his disparaging of U.S. cities based on who their mayor or Congress person happens to be.
I've also listened to conservatives for years tell me they can't listen to this artist or watch this actor anymore because they are openly liberal.
These aren't one way streets.
I've also listened to conservatives for years tell me they can't listen to this artist or watch this actor anymore because they are openly liberal.
These aren't one way streets.
Well no. She came out with her tweet about archiving tweets and then a group called Trump Accountability came out and said that the people who elected or worked for Trump should not be able to profit from that experience. That is not her thing. So let's lay blame where it is due.
You obviously struggle to comprehend. AOC is a dangerous tramp. Chuck is worthless and a threat to our country. Sleepy Joe is f n dimwit.
Just some of the women I like are Kimberly Guilfoyle, McEnany, Candace Owens. Trumps daughter, and Kim Kacid. All gorgeous women too.
Just to show I’m not racist, (though you’ll still think I am) here’s some black guys that I think are good men: Lt Col Allen West, Ben Carson, Herman Cain (Rip), Larry Elder, and Leo (can’t think of last name).
I think West and Carson are the smartest men in any room they walk into.
It's amazing you don't see anything wrong with using misogynist terms to describe women you don't like.
Since you've named a few Blacks you like (the ones who say **** you like to hear), do you think it's all right to use racial terms to describe Blacks you don't like?
Also, funny you would mentioned Ben Carson's intelligence, as I remember Trump questioning his intelligence once when they were both vying for the Republican nomination. Of course, Trump's first criticism of every Black person he goes after is to question his or her intelligence.
I'm a policy voter myself and think i have found a tax policy i like....lightening the tone a bit! Enjoy.
Its just funny....not intent to ridicule one side or the other
Its just funny....not intent to ridicule one side or the other
See, you fall back onto your safe place, your poor Ol feelings. Where have I said I like everything about Trump? Where? He’s done a damn good job making decisions for our country. That’s all you got though, is your feelings.
If you needed a heart surgery and had 2 doctors to choose from, would you choose the one that is nice, talks really well, but his success isn’t the best, or the one that is rude but is very good at surgeries?
Sadly, the Trump take over of politics will be here for at least another four years. The reason the Reps are standing behind this ridiculous refusal to concede, even though it is going to affirmatively hurt our country, is that they realize that Trump will likely try to run again in 2024 and they don't want to be on his bad side as people who are tend to get voted out of office. Trump will likely spend the next four years criticizing everything Biden does and ginning up more hate. We needed to have soundly defeated not just him but all the Republican Senators who supported him. As that did not come close to happening, we are headed for another **** show.
Great reply. Get your feelings hurt, and this is how you reply. Just like a liberal. Don’t forget to take your ball when you go home, and grab your participation trophy too.
You’re showing to be as intelligent as the other 2 stooges in this thread. As rigid as they are.
Like I said, you’re only going off your feelings. Soft as rainwater.
The point was I don't need to sacrifice one thing for another.
I don't believe in participation trophies and I don't believe in quitting the game because your losing.
Why are you so damn insulting?
I make a point, then you or another lib twists it all around. Like me admitting and telling you why I like Trump. I give an example, then you come back with a stupid and idiotic reply calling him a racist. He wasn’t called a racist when he was hanging out with Rev Al, or on Oprah. Yet he runs as a Republican, wins, and all the sudden he’s Hitler.
You can’t argue what he’s accomplished, so you insult his character. I’ve admitted he can be overbearing. But, I didn’t vote for him to be a nice guy. Our country has been running off the rails for decades. He may be an *******, but he made things happen, and helped people out.
All you’ve got on him is you don’t like him. But, issues? He has wiped the floor solving issues in front of him. You just refuse to give him credit. And, there’s some there to be given.
I gave some credit to him yesterday about certain things. He's done far more bad, however, than good for this country.
Something so many white people, especially ones like you, have a hard time understanding is that just because Trump has promoted fights involving Blacks at his hotels or had a few Blacks on the Apprentice doesn't mean he wasn't and isn't racist.
He was recognized as a racist far before his election to office. His birther **** along with his views on Muslims and Mexicans are clearly the thoughts and actions of a racist. You don't see that because you don't look like the people on the business end of that ****.
By the way, you talk about all his accomplishments he has but how much of what he ran on did he actually accomplish?
The wall didn't get built and Mexico didnt pay for it.
He didnt repeal and replace Obamacare.
He didn't end ISIS. He had a shot there but, as Jim Mattis has explained, he messed that up.
Apparently, Trump didn't think he did a whole lot of good for the country. After all, his 2020 campaign was based on Making America Great Again and telling you that only he can fix everything currently wrong with the nation. That can work when you're the challenger but it's kind of a hard campaign sell when you're the incumbent.
You always talk about others being soft and flowers and such, but you get very emotional and fly completely off the handle at any criticism levied at Trump.
I guess I'm starting to see why you didn't have Melania on your list of women you like and respect. Jealousy is a terrible thing.