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Mac9192

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Those three states allowed for mail-in ballots to be processed early. I know you're not too simple as to understand the difference.

For the record, at the time I'm typing this, Ohio is actually still showing 5 percent of their ballots not reported, higher than the three states you're saying didn't have their acts together.

My reference to Chad Wolf has nothing to do with his honest or integrity. It's about logic. What motivation would a hand-picked Trump appointee (who has held an acting title for a year so as to avoid confirmation process) have to allow his agency to issue a statement that flies in the face of everything his boss is selling right now?

I have read some of them, and I have read several more articles about them. They are light on voter-fraud and heavy on innuendo and being scare at the sight of Black people in Detroit.
Here we go. For someone that accuses me of racism, you don’t mind throwing that out there.
I am a simple man. Trump isn’t one of the establishment. Some Republicans don’t like him either, they just publicly can’t be as bold with their talk, for fear of not getting re-elected. The left can, cause they’re pandering to their base.
You can slice it, dice it, spin it however to fit your hindered thinking, but it’s how it is. Again, the media is noting but a bunch of liars, and that’s what you’re going off of.

Think back to how Trump slammed Jeb Bush in the debates of 16 about the war in Iraq. Bush is as much a part of the establishment as the Clintons. For someone to say that to a fellow Republican, when that’s what Trump ran as?
That takes stones right there.
 
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Here we go. For someone that accuses me of racism, you don’t mind throwing that out there.
I am a simple man. Trump isn’t one of the establishment. Some Republicans don’t like him either, they just publicly can’t be as bold with their talk, for fear of not getting re-elected. The left can, cause they’re pandering to their base.
You can slice it, dice it, spin it however to fit your hindered thinking, but it’s how it is. Again, the media is noting but a bunch of liars, and that’s what you’re going off of.

Think back to how Trump slammed Jeb Bush in the debates of 16 about the war in Iraq. Bush is as much a part of the establishment as the Clintons. For someone to say that to a fellow Republican, when that’s what Trump ran as?
That takes stones right there.

Seriously, read up on the sworn affidavits. There are multiple references to things like, "large, intimidating Black men," in the Wayne County statements. It's actually kind of funny.

The rest of your post is just more rambling opinions that you still confuse with facts. Kellyanne Conway's introduction of the term "alternate facts" may wind up being the worst thing to be left behind after Trump leaves office.

Mr. Personal Responsibility somehow functions in a world in which the 99 people who think the 100th guy is a piece of **** are somehow the problem not the 100th guy. I will never understand that line of thinking.
 

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Here we go. For someone that accuses me of racism, you don’t mind throwing that out there.
I am a simple man. Trump isn’t one of the establishment. Some Republicans don’t like him either, they just publicly can’t be as bold with their talk, for fear of not getting re-elected. The left can, cause they’re pandering to their base.
You can slice it, dice it, spin it however to fit your hindered thinking, but it’s how it is. Again, the media is noting but a bunch of liars, and that’s what you’re going off of.

Think back to how Trump slammed Jeb Bush in the debates of 16 about the war in Iraq. Bush is as much a part of the establishment as the Clintons. For someone to say that to a fellow Republican, when that’s what Trump ran as?
That takes stones right there.

that doesn't take stones...thats him, he doesn't care....he was trying to win at all costs and he did.....hes been lashing out at people his whole presidency....thats what he does
 

Mac9192

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Seriously, read up on the sworn affidavits. There are multiple references to things like, "large, intimidating Black men," in the Wayne County statements. It's actually kind of funny.
This is the only part I’m responding to cause the rest is just opinions that you’ve been told by the liars. Let things play out there, and where the chips fall, so be it.

On the part about racism, that you thought was funny? I’m gonna spit it out. Blacks can be, and many times are, far more racists than whites. So, even though I haven’t watched anything this election on voter intimidation, and by blacks, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised. I remember during one of the Obama elections that Black Panthers were intimidating voters. Your comment is just as bad had I said, and laughed that blacks in places were accusing whites of intimidation. So, yes, in some of those cesspools they call cities, I am not surprised to hear accusations.
 

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There is no comparison in being intimidated by an armed law enforcement officer who historically is allowed to assault or even kill people in this country without being forced to serve jail time with someone only citing their reason for being intimidated by a private person because of his size and color.

One says something about society. The other says something about the individual who feels intimidated.
 

Mac9192

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There is no comparison in being intimidated by an armed law enforcement officer who historically is allowed to assault or even kill people in this country without being forced to serve jail time with someone only citing their reason for being intimidated by a private person because of his size and color.

One says something about society. The other says something about the individual who feels intimidated.
This is a terrible post, and shows how you really feel. You only want to see when the law does things wrong, or are accused of. Many times the law did their job. Racism is racism, regardless of color.

Jtre, quit acting like the white man, and the law are terrible. You're as racist as those you cry about. Quit acting like all blacks are victims. That's pure horseshit.
 
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There is no comparison in being intimidated by an armed law enforcement officer who historically is allowed to assault or even kill people in this country without being forced to serve jail time with someone only citing their reason for being intimidated by a private person because of his size and color.

One says something about society. The other says something about the individual who feels intimidated.
Keep going. He's about to display that racist flag loud and proud.
 

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This is a terrible post, and shows how you really feel. You only want to see when the law does things wrong, or are accused of. Many times the law did their job. Racism is racism, regardless of color.

Jtre, quit acting like the white man, and the law are terrible. You're as racist as those you cry about. Quit acting like all blacks are victims. That's pure horseshit.
I think, Jtre we are in danger of behaving like the clinically insane -- doing the same thing over and over and thinking the outcome will be different. Mac is not interested in anything other than insulting the people who disagree with him. You can keep pointing out why the fact that Trump lost his lead in some states does not mean there was voter fraud and he is going to repeat his same schtick. You are brainwashed by the liberal media. It is getting tiring and says more about him than you/us.
 

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I think, Jtre we are in danger of behaving like the clinically insane -- doing the same thing over and over and thinking the outcome will be different. Mac is not interested in anything other than insulting the people who disagree with him. You can keep pointing out why the fact that Trump lost his lead in some states does not mean there was voter fraud and he is going to repeat his same schtick. You are brainwashed by the liberal media. It is getting tiring and says more about him than you/us.
I don't think Jtre is trying to change Mac's mind. He just enjoys pushing his buttons. Quite entertaining.
 

Mac9192

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Jtre thought voter intimidation by blacks to whites is not real, and funny. I come back and say it's possible that it happened, and that blacks can be as bad as whites, sometimes they're worse. He then comes stomping back, bringing up cops shooting blacks. That wasn't even the subject, but he was mad, and had to throw something irrelevant to voting out there. Durham and shatter are nothing more than 2 pathetic excuses for people. Jtre tries, but he's really limited in his views. I don't care what these libs on here think of me. They bring nothing good to the table anyway.
 
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Jtre thought voter intimidation by blacks to whites is not real, and funny. I come back and say it's possible that it happened, and that blacks can be as bad as whites, sometimes they're worse. He then comes stomping back, bringing up cops shooting blacks. That wasn't even the subject, but he was mad, and had to throw something irrelevant to voting out there. Durham and shatter are nothing more than 2 pathetic excuses for people. Jtre tries, but he's really limited in his views. I don't care what these libs on here think of me. They bring nothing good to the table anyway.

I wasn't making a general comment about voter intimidation, I was referencing specific statements in Wayne County affidavits.

I mentioned police because the only claims I had seen getting coverage of Blacks claiming intimidation involved police. Historically there is far wide-reaching voter intimidation by whites not in uniform.

I cannot comprehend that you see me as limited in my views but feel you're, as you've said before, fair and levelheaded.

In this thread alone, I have made complimentary statements about James Mattis, Dan Coats, George HW Bush, Bob Woodward and Ronald Reagan. I even made a positive acknowledgement about Jared Kushner.

I made critical statements about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Maxine Waters, Hillary Clinton and the entire Huffington Post.

You, well, you don't seem to like anyone who doesn't see the world exactly as you do.
 

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I can't say this is surprising, but it's still terrible to see.

By the way, this is being covered by multiple sites. Amazingly, Fox News is not one of them.

I can see outlets choosing not to cover conspiracy theories or being hesitant to get too deep into rabbit-hole investigations, but this and the DHS report seem like something pretty much any news reporter would cover.
 

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I can't say this is surprising, but it's still terrible to see.

By the way, this is being covered by multiple sites. Amazingly, Fox News is not one of them.

I can see outlets choosing not to cover conspiracy theories or being hesitant to get too deep into rabbit-hole investigations, but this and the DHS report seem like something pretty much any news reporter would cover.

goes against the message they pushing...?????
 
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Mac9192

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I wasn't making a general comment about voter intimidation, I was referencing specific statements in Wayne County affidavits.

I mentioned police because the only claims I had seen getting coverage of Blacks claiming intimidation involved police. Historically there is far wide-reaching voter intimidation by whites not in uniform.

I cannot comprehend that you see me as limited in my views but feel you're, as you've said before, fair and levelheaded.

In this thread alone, I have made complimentary statements about James Mattis, Dan Coats, George HW Bush, Bob Woodward and Ronald Reagan. I even made a positive acknowledgement about Jared Kushner.

I made critical statements about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Maxine Waters, Hillary Clinton and the entire Huffington Post.

You, well, you don't seem to like anyone who doesn't see the world exactly as you do.
This post is really rich. Most everyone that posts in this thread are locked into their own thinking politically. I won't deny it. I have said on many occasions that I believe liberalism to be scary and dangerous. I'm admitting it. Topps is firm in his beliefs too, and other conservatives as well. You guys are too. Saying you have been critical of those on the left? I've done it about those on the right. What's your point there?
Honestly, politically, I think you're delusional. And won't apologize for saying it. There's others that post here from the left that are worse than you.

There is nothing good about liberalism, when it gets put to action. It will only harm more people than help. You just can't take it that I don't see your thinking no more than I wonder why you don't see mine.
 

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This post is really rich. Most everyone that posts in this thread are locked into their own thinking politically. I won't deny it. I have said on many occasions that I believe liberalism to be scary and dangerous. I'm admitting it. Topps is firm in his beliefs too, and other conservatives as well. You guys are too. Saying you have been critical of those on the left? I've done it about those on the right. What's your point there?
Honestly, politically, I think you're delusional. And won't apologize for saying it. There's others that post here from the left that are worse than you.

There is nothing good about liberalism, when it gets put to action. It will only harm more people than help. You just can't take it that I don't see your thinking no more than I wonder why you don't see mine.
Perhaps you could define what you mean by liberalism and conservativism. It would probably help for me to evaluate what your statement about liberalism being so dangerous.
 

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I don't agree with the banning of books but I do think we should reevaluate what age certain books should be introduced into schools. I also think an effort should be put forth to diversify the books that are required reading in schools.

With you 1000% on that.
 

Mac9192

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Perhaps you could define what you mean by liberalism and conservativism. It would probably help for me to evaluate what your statement about liberalism being so dangerous.
You can't be serious. You want to evaluate my statement? What kind of ******** post is this? Any fair minded person knows liberalism is dangerous. I shouldn't have to explain, and I won't. Because it will do no good.
I honestly believe you're a freaking quack.
 
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You can't be serious. You want to evaluate my statement? What kind of ******** post is this? Any fair minded person knows liberalism is dangerous. I shouldn't have to explain, and I won't. Because it will do no good.
I honestly believe you're a freaking quack.
You mean you won't because you can't, because it isn't.
 

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You can't be serious. You want to evaluate my statement? What kind of ******** post is this? Any fair minded person knows liberalism is dangerous. I shouldn't have to explain, and I won't. Because it will do no good.
I honestly believe you're a freaking quack.
Actually you know what Mac, please tell me, give me one single example as to how liberals have negatively impacted your existence on this planet. How we have objectively and verifiably harmed you and made your life worse in any significant way.
 

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You can't be serious. You want to evaluate my statement? What kind of ******** post is this? Any fair minded person knows liberalism is dangerous. I shouldn't have to explain, and I won't. Because it will do no good.
I honestly believe you're a freaking quack.
Here's the thing. I meant that seriously because these are terms that different people define differently. And the fact that i wanted to make sure that i got what you were referring to right should have indicated to you that I was trying to take your arguments seriously. That is how adults behave who want to have a meaningful exchange of ideas. i actually was expecting a serious answer rather than more insults. i am not the freaking quack here.
 

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This post is really rich. Most everyone that posts in this thread are locked into their own thinking politically. I won't deny it. I have said on many occasions that I believe liberalism to be scary and dangerous. I'm admitting it. Topps is firm in his beliefs too, and other conservatives as well. You guys are too. Saying you have been critical of those on the left? I've done it about those on the right. What's your point there?
Honestly, politically, I think you're delusional. And won't apologize for saying it. There's others that post here from the left that are worse than you.

There is nothing good about liberalism, when it gets put to action. It will only harm more people than help. You just can't take it that I don't see your thinking no more than I wonder why you don't see mine.
Socialism has never worked any where in the worlds see Venuelza.We are sadly heading down that path
 
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Mac9192

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Here's the thing. I meant that seriously because these are terms that different people define differently. And the fact that i wanted to make sure that i got what you were referring to right should have indicated to you that I was trying to take your arguments seriously. That is how adults behave who want to have a meaningful exchange of ideas. i actually was expecting a serious answer rather than more insults. i am not the freaking quack here.
Ok, I'll play along. Smaller government, less taxes, more opportunities for small businesses. I'm not against immigration, just going through the system. Don't really have much of an opinion on gay marriage. I'm for gun rights, don't mind background checks, but that can be dicey. I'm pro police, but also for better training for them, but as a general rule the police aren't the problem. As far as taxes go, the less on companies, the better, as long as they are here in America. I look at people working as a better option than raising taxes on the business owner, or corporation. You don't get a job from a poor man.
Healthcare for all? Someone has to pay for it. Some will say make the rich pay for it. They will raise costs of their goods, or trim their workforce. So who benefits there? Same with free college. That's a scam. Nothing is free. Someone will have to pickup the tab.
I've been accused of is being against education. That's nothing but a lie. I'm actually for giving teachers a raise, and don't mind being taxed for that to happen. Same with our police, fire, emt...
I'd love to have clean air. But, I don't see anything that can replace what we're doing that doesn't do more harm than good. Plus, what good is it when China, India... are still doing what they're doing.
Tax the hell out of goods exported in. When Obama signed the tariff on goods from China, such as tires, that did no good at all. The unions used it to raise prices on the tires built here. What happened? You got it, the consumer paid more for whatever he bought. The unions have outlived their good. Once was a way of protecting the worker, now it's just a big, greedy entity.
 

Mac9192

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I just read the law firm representing the Trump campaign in Pennsylvania has withdrawn from the case.

I didn't read it on Fox News, but I did read it.
From Fox, so take it how you wish: Said the reason was some Anti Trump group, The Lincoln Project, posted the lawyers contact info on twitter with a message that said "Make them famous" with skull and bones emojis.
 

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Things are already ugly in D.C. and tomorrow there is a planned march for Trump there. It will surely be ugly and have some violent spats. It will also surely be blamed on the Trump supporters.

I just wish everyone from whatever side they are on would quit the gatherings in the streets and stay the hell home.
 
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From Fox, so take it how you wish: Said the reason was some Anti Trump group, The Lincoln Project, posted the lawyers contact info on twitter with a message that said "Make them famous" with skull and bones emojis.
So um, a quick perusal of TLP twitter going back to November 4th, I saw no such post. I suppose they could've posted it and quickly took it down but, that doesn't seem to be The Lincoln Project's MO anyway. They vastly prefer just belittling Trump with facts. Oh yeah and FYI, The Lincoln Project is a coalition of former Republicans who reject Trump and the current (read: awful) state of the Republican party as a whole.

Edit: Link to their twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/projectlincoln
 

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We will see what Trump thinks over the next few days. We already see what might happen in PA. If what I've heard is true, PA could flip to Trump. Personally, I think he's intentionally laying low while they gather the information.
Say what you want about him, but he proved the accusations over his term were bogus, and lies. Time will tell, but I suspect fraud will be exposed, just not sure if enough to put him back in.
He's a lot of things, but dumb isn't one of them.
all it takes is one. But I don’t see it...Hope I’m wrong
 

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So um, a quick perusal of TLP twitter going back to November 4th, I saw no such post. I suppose they could've posted it and quickly took it down but, that doesn't seem to be The Lincoln Project's MO anyway. They vastly prefer just belittling Trump with facts. Oh yeah and FYI, The Lincoln Project is a coalition of former Republicans who reject Trump and the current (read: awful) state of the Republican party as a whole.

Edit: Link to their twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/projectlincoln
Funny. The DHS labeled the Lincoln Project as Iranian disinformation.
 

Jtre

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Things are already ugly in D.C. and tomorrow there is a planned march for Trump there. It will surely be ugly and have some violent spats. It will also surely be blamed on the Trump supporters.

I just wish everyone from whatever side they are on would quit the gatherings in the streets and stay the hell home.

True. There are times to protest and times to go the house. Right now, seems like one of those times to go the house.
 
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Like 5 o’clock on interstate 95 over some stupid ****:... Or a gas station idkkk lmao
 

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Read Biden’s platform on his website.
Socialism is defined as a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
Fighting climate change -- not socialism
Reforming the police department --not socialism
universal healthcare comes closer but many Republicans have come to recognize that healthcares can't be regulated by capitalism. Otherwise almost no one will be able to afford it.
Low interest loans to help people buy homes or start business -- not socialism
Ensuring that women have access to health care and that abortions remained legal but rare -- not socialism.

Throughout history, every time one party suggested helping another party out it has been labelled socialism. In fact, during reconstruction, the republicans (the party of Lincoln, not the version of the Republican Party we have now) wanted to start public schools to teach the newly freed slaves how to read, write, add in order to give them a chance at self-sufficiency. The Democrats called that socialism and Andrew Johnson nixed it. IT was not socialism, it was called extending a hand.
 
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