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Socialism is defined as a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
Fighting climate change -- not socialism
Reforming the police department --not socialism
universal healthcare comes closer but many Republicans have come to recognize that healthcares can't be regulated by capitalism. Otherwise almost no one will be able to afford it.
Low interest loans to help people buy homes or start business -- not socialism
Ensuring that women have access to health care and that abortions remained legal but rare -- not socialism.

Throughout history, every time one party suggested helping another party out it has been labelled socialism. In fact, during reconstruction, the republicans (the party of Lincoln, not the version of the Republican Party we have now) wanted to start public schools to teach the newly freed slaves how to read, write, add in order to give them a chance at self-sufficiency. The Democrats called that socialism and Andrew Johnson nixed it. IT was not socialism, it was called extending a hand.
No all those proposals allow the government to take control over great parts of our economy which is the definition of socialism.Abortions are no longer rare but an accepted routine form of birth control
 

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There are” times to protest now” lmaooo😂

I didn't mean times as in time of day. I meant time as in, "what the hell are they protesting?"

One of the best moments of election week was hearing the Election official in Arizona talk about the people banging on the windows chanting, "Count the votes!"

The official responded with, "What? Do you think we're going to stop?"

That would be the best example of a time to go home rather than protest. They're already doing what you want. What are you protesting?

This is the same way I feel about what went on in Oregon. What started as BLM protests seemingly morphed into however many days of a good amount people gathering just to yell and tear up ****. There were still many people peacefully marching and chanting, but the sheer length of them caused the message to get lost.

That is another example of a time to go the house.
 

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Again cannot determine whether you are stupid or a congenital liar probably both
All governments have to set rules and take steps to protect their people. By your reasoning, they are all on the slippery slope to socialism. That is absolute nonsense. Nothing about the things I listed would lead to the community taking over the economy. If we don't rein in climate change there won't be a planet. If we don't make sure that people with jobs get paid a living wage, you will have more crime. If we don't figure out how to work with the police so that all people look to them for help and not in fear then we will have more riots.
Also, you must have an awfully low opinion of women when you throw out nonsense about how abortion is used as birth control but if we don't ensure that teenagers get taught sex ed and everyone has access to birth control, abortion will end up that way.
 

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All governments have to set rules and take steps to protect their people. By your reasoning, they are all on the slippery slope to socialism. That is absolute nonsense. Nothing about the things I listed would lead to the community taking over the economy. If we don't rein in climate change there won't be a planet. If we don't make sure that people with jobs get paid a living wage, you will have more crime. If we don't figure out how to work with the police so that all people look to them for help and not in fear then we will have more riots.
Also, you must have an awfully low opinion of women when you throw out nonsense about how abortion is used as birth control but if we don't ensure that teenagers get taught sex ed and everyone has access to birth control, abortion will end up that way.
I have an extremely low opinion of anyone who is in favor of and helps to murder babies.Btw sex education is taught in every school that I know of
 

Jtre

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I have an extremely low opinion of anyone who is in favor of and helps to murder babies.Btw sex education is taught in every school that I know of

We discussed this before and I seem to remember you have a pretty wishy-washy view of what amounts to murder.
 

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I have an extremely low opinion of anyone who is in favor of and helps to murder babies.Btw sex education is taught in every school that I know of
Dude, no one, no one supports murdering babies. Abortions are not used as birth control, I'm sure there are some who try to abuse it but for the vast majority of women, the decision to get an abortion isn't an easy one, and one they'll always have to live with. So let's grow up and stop demonizing women for it.
 

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I didn't mean times as in time of day. I meant time as in, "what the hell are they protesting?"

One of the best moments of election week was hearing the Election official in Arizona talk about the people banging on the windows chanting, "Count the votes!"

The official responded with, "What? Do you think we're going to stop?"

That would be the best example of a time to go home rather than protest. They're already doing what you want. What are you protesting?

This is the same way I feel about what went on in Oregon. What started as BLM protests seemingly morphed into however many days of a good amount people gathering just to yell and tear up ****. There were still many people peacefully marching and chanting, but the sheer length of them caused the message to get lost.

That is another example of a time to go the house.
1 I didn’t quote you. 2 I’m saying all them protests shoulda went home🤷‍♂️
 
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IFaZe

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Mannn there’s just so many stupid people on both sides .... The majority won though!
 

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Agreed....
Ipsy quite candidly I think it would take more than one. Last electoral update I saw Biden was up like 309-232....
Come on man.....all it takes is 1 proven fraud and the whole thing is compromised. All the accusations become secound guessed and all hell breaks loose. It might not change the outcome; but it will be verrrrry bad!
 

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Part of me wants to see fraud but part of me doesn’t ....you think the worlds divided now...LET THERE BE FRAUD!
 

Mac9192

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If you read the article here in NY Times, it makes it sound like they just withdrew from representing Trump. The Fox article actually claims what may have happened. Huge difference, go figure. Big omission from the Times that some Left wing hacks tweeted the lawyers contact info to all their followers, with a disgraceful message.

It’s possible Fox is not accurate, but the Times is very clever. Can’t accuse them of lying, but their story possibly leaves out some important things.
 

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A Tennessee man who moved from Arizona just came on tv said someone without her s consent voted for him without his knowledge..Arizona officials verified this was a legal vote yet Nashon Garrett swears he did not vote in Arizona.How many other votes are in this same situation.
 

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Jane Mayer is a highly respected journalist from The New Yorker and her book, "Dark Money" about the Koch brothers is a great read for anyone who is enamored with politics and the ungodly amount of money that is poured into it each political cycle.

 

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If exceptions where the life of mother, the child has a condition he can’t survive,or rape induced pregnancies are wishy washy so be be it
 

Mac9192

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A Tennessee man who moved from Arizona just came on tv said someone without her s consent voted for him without his knowledge..Arizona officials verified this was a legal vote yet Nashon Garrett swears he did not vote in Arizona.How many other votes are in this same situation.
If all this was done by the right? They wouldn’t get away with it. That’s the difference.
 

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A Tennessee man who moved from Arizona just came on tv said someone without her s consent voted for him without his knowledge..Arizona officials verified this was a legal vote yet Nashon Garrett swears he did not vote in Arizona.How many other votes are in this same situation.
Did he say how he knew that this had happened? Since the only news source that has this story is Laura Ingraham, it should be treated with a grain of salt.
 

hart2chesson

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Come on man.....all it takes is 1 proven fraud and the whole thing is compromised. All the accusations become secound guessed and all hell breaks loose. It might not change the outcome; but it will be verrrrry bad!

Don't see "outcome changing" at this point. Biden has basically same lead Trump had in electoral in '16,(about 70+ votes). If it were closer, and Trump lawyers could get a good, solid case going in ONE STATE at this point I would agree w/you.
 

hart2chesson

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NPR had the following rundown yesterday on various legal challenges by the President Trump team:
https://www.npr.org/sections/live-u...witter.com&utm_campaign=npr&utm_medium=social

So its looking more and more like the transition to President-Elect Biden is imminent. However IMHO, there's still time for Trump to make a significant imprint on his presidency with a shot towards '24. He has over two months left.

Just a theory I am tossing out reference the Covid virus. I know some folks said numbers would magically disappear after the election, but not true. We're currently in the midst of a spike in cases nationally.Trump still has that powerful bully pulpit until just after mid January. If he were to call for a national mandate on mask wearing, I think with his powers of persuasion amongst his base, the country would see case numbers drop significantly. It would be a powerful note for the President to exit on!!
 

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Did he say how he knew that this had happened? Since the only news source that has this story is Laura Ingraham, it should be treated with a grain of salt.
So when this man who btw is black went on tv and detailed how it happened is not enough for you I revert back to my original assessment of you.This is the problem with the mass mailings to millions of voters with little to no way to verify if it is legitimate.How many thousands of votes are in the same category.
 
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So when this man who btw is black went on tv and detailed how it happened is not enough for you I revert back to my original assessment of you.This is the problem with the mass mailings to millions of voters with little to no way to verify if it is legitimate.How many thousands of votes are in the same category.
I am unsure why every one of your responses is to insult me. It is not like you are hurting my feelings but I don't understand why you don't understand that I am asking a serious question. I don't want to click on Laura Ingraham's link; in fact, I don't like to click on any links so I thought I would ask you, since you seem to have watched. So, again, can you tell me how he learned that someone in Arizona had used his name to vote. Legitimate question asked with no malice.
 

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Come on man.....all it takes is 1 proven fraud and the whole thing is compromised. All the accusations become secound guessed and all hell breaks loose. It might not change the outcome; but it will be verrrrry bad!
Each state runs its own election, which means each state decides how to verify absentee ballots and to ensure the count is accurate. The fact that there might have been fraud in state A does not mean that state B acted the same way. To get the results overturned, Trump would have to prove the fraud separately in each state. Pretty tall order.
 
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I am unsure why every one of your responses is to insult me. It is not like you are hurting my feelings but I don't understand why you don't understand that I am asking a serious question. I don't want to click on Laura Ingraham's link; in fact, I don't like to click on any links so I thought I would ask you, since you seem to have watched. So, again, can you tell me how he learned that someone in Arizona had used his name to vote. Legitimate question asked with no malice.
He got some type of notice from I think a polling entity.He knowing that he did not vote in Arizona checked the voter website which showed that he had voted and his signature was the verified as authentic.He had not lived in Arizona in fourteen months and had never received nor requested a mail in ballot.The left has never acknowledged that there is a chance of voter fraud associated with massive unsolicited mailout ballots to voter rolls that have not been updated to insure accuracy is a major problem.This is an example which leads one to wonder I f there are not thousands of others just like this
 

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Each state runs its own election, which means each state decides how to verify absentee ballots and to ensure the count is accurate. The fact that there might have been fraud in state A does not mean that state B acted the same way. To get the results overturned, Trump would have to prove the fraud separately in each state. Pretty tall order.
Tall order for sure. But, and I say but, if it is proven, then that’s more than damaging. Especially since the left has been denying fraud of any kind. That would bring up more doubt.
Zero to one is big.
 
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Each state runs its own election, which means each state decides how to verify absentee ballots and to ensure the count is accurate. The fact that there might have been fraud in state A does not mean that state B acted the same way. To get the results overturned, Trump would have to prove the fraud separately in each state. Pretty tall order.
Amazingly every inconsistency in every state seems to run one way.Using your candidate own words,we have assembled the greatest voter fraud machine in history
 

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Each state runs its own election, which means each state decides how to verify absentee ballots and to ensure the count is accurate. The fact that there might have been fraud in state A does not mean that state B acted the same way. To get the results overturned, Trump would have to prove the fraud separately in each state. Pretty tall order.
If there was fraud proven in state A, how would you feel about state B?
 

Mac9192

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@Mac9192 @topps coach @IFaZe

You know who you guys sound like? UK fans blaming the refs after 118-84.
This has to be the worst comparison ever.

Here’s a better comparison sport: That would be like Duke being up 25 with 3 minutes to go, then the power goes out, and when the lights come back on 30 seconds later, Kentucky is up 5 with 15 seconds to go.
Kind of odd isn’t it?
 

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This has to be the worst comparison ever.

Here’s a better comparison sport: That would be like Duke being up 25 with 3 minutes to go, then the power goes out, and when the lights come back on 30 seconds later, Kentucky is up 5 with 15 seconds to go.
Kind of odd isn’t it?
Me rn

 

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Anybody watching the Masters? Time finally catching up with Tiger? Johnson is looking good thru the first three days.
 
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