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[Mac9192]

The gist (not jest, that's the second time today you've done that; you should either take your time when your using these big words or stick to ones you actually know) of the article is what I summarized for you. The headline, which is not actually reflective of the article you apparently didn't read, is what got you excited and you posted it here.

The first part of the article is not self-explanatory as by the third paragraph it becomes clear that the "unavailable" records from the headline and failure to "produce" the records from the first paragraph is not about the actual existence of the records but about counties ignoring requests from a fringe-right local blog site. Visit the Georgia Star News's about section on it's website and you'll see I'm accurately describing it.

Excuse me Rev. I’m so sorry I misspelled 2 words. The next time there’s a scrabble competition, be sure to enter.
As usual though, you miss the point. Dodge, deflect, but most importantly, you refuse to think any fraud happened. It’s very sad too.
You deduced that the article is nothing. As you did with the video, countless eyewitnesses from several states, over 10,000 dead people voting in Georgia, sketchy times of mass ballots at multiple cities, all 4 that are toxic. Even 80 million votes by an uninspiring candidate gets an answer from you

We know your opinion would be the same if the roles were reversed. Never seen so many people that can spin things like you libs. Y’all’s eyes have to be so crossed that you could watch a tennis game from midcourt without turning your heads.

 

[Jtre]

Excuse me Rev. I’m so sorry I misspelled 2 words. The next time there’s a scrabble competition, be sure to enter.
As usual though, you miss the point. Dodge, deflect, but most importantly, you refuse to think any fraud happened. It’s very sad too.
You deduced that the article is nothing. As you did with the video, countless eyewitnesses from several states, over 10,000 dead people voting in Georgia, sketchy times of mass ballots at multiple cities, all 4 that are toxic. Even 80 million votes by an uninspiring candidate gets an answer from you

We know your opinion would be the same if the roles were reversed. Never seen so many people that can spin things like you libs. Y’all’s eyes have to be so crossed that you could watch a tennis game from midcourt without turning your heads.

No need to apologize for using the wrong words. I'm just trying to look out for you.

Yes, I know your point is that you believe there was fraud in Georgia. My point was that you held up an article with "accusations," (your word) as support, but the article didn't state anything like you thought it did.

There is no actual proof of any of the things you stated, but I'm really interested in the over 10,000 dead Georgians who voted. Is there anything remotely close to proof of that having happened?

I'll take Newsmax, OANN, Fox, whatever. Just please make sure the words in the article express the thoughts you think they do.

 

[Mac9192]

It may not be true

 

[Mac9192]

https://defconnews.com/2020/12/04/more-damning-evidence-of-voter-fraud-in-georgia-and-nevada/

 

[Mac9192]

The problem though, is that any information that comes from non leftists sites gets censored, or fact checked. The left are doing the fact checking. Wow.
Facebook and Twitter are doing this, and YouTube decided to yesterday.

Nothing can be proven to be accurate when almost everything media related is controlled by the left. That’s why Biden’s comment about assembling the best voter fraud team was perhaps his best line. Ever.

 

[Mac9192]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/hunte...ter-facebook-silent-censoring-before-election

https://en-volve.com/2020/12/10/you...ny-videos-that-claim-voter-fraud-in-election/

 

[Jtre]

The problem though, is that any information that comes from non leftists sites gets censored, or fact checked. The left are doing the fact checking. Wow.
Facebook and Twitter are doing this, and YouTube decided to yesterday.

Nothing can be proven to be accurate when almost everything media related is controlled by the left. That’s why Biden’s comment about assembling the best voter fraud team was perhaps his best line. Ever.

Fact-checking allegations or accusations is a good thing.

You cited a tweet of a tweet of a bunch of random numbers by somebody named Kanekoa the Great and an article by, well, somebody because whoever wrote the article didn't want to take credit for it as there is no byline. The article starts off by calling Fox News the newest member of the liberal media.

Sites like the one you cited have no editorial oversight and basically write nothing but opinion pieces about public figures. They have a fairly niche audience to begin with and sticking to attacks on public figures makes it pretty hard to sue them for libel.

 

[Mac9192]

News?

 

[durhamgolfer]

This blog is highly respected among lawyers.

https://reason.com/volokh/2020/12/08/statistical-nonsense-at-scotus/

https://reason.com/volokh/2020/12/09/more-on-statistical-stupidity-at-scotus/

 

[Mac9192]

https://pjmedia.com/election/bryan-...ure-with-china-belt-and-road-company-n1077890

Fake news?

 

[Mac9192]

https://redstate.com/sister-toldjah...-after-her-covid-bill-admission-video-n291855

 

[bleediteveryday30]

 

[Mac9192]

 

[Devilinside]

This blog is highly respected among lawyers.

https://reason.com/volokh/2020/12/08/statistical-nonsense-at-scotus/

https://reason.com/volokh/2020/12/09/more-on-statistical-stupidity-at-scotus/

That is absolutely not true. The blog says on its cover page that it is "mostly law school professors", probably the most liberal, progressive bunch of supposed attorneys, the vast majority of which could not try a case if their lives depended on it. So, for your statement to have even a modicum of truth and to not be misleading, it should read "respected among some lawyers."

 

[durhamgolfer]

That is absolutely not true. The blog says on its cover page that it is "mostly law school professors", probably the most liberal, progressive bunch of supposed attorneys, the vast majority of which could not try a case if their lives depended on it. So, for your statement to have even a modicum of truth and to not be misleading, it should read "respected among some lawyers."

you don’t know crap about what you are talking about.

 

[durhamgolfer]

No surprise but the Supreme's denied the Texas AG's request to file his law suit and dismissed any other matters associated with it. Alito and Thomas dissented

 

[Crest is Garbage]

LOL

 

[Crest is Garbage]

 

[durhamgolfer]

unlike when he held the Bible, this book is not upside down.

 

[GhostOf301]

you don’t know crap about what you are talking about.

This coming from the person who posted those garbage blogs with the header reading, "this blog is highly respected among lawyers." Terrible. Oh, and the person who said that their state "squashed the virus" because they "did it right", your governor should be in prison. Instead, he has a book bragging about killing thousands of nursing home patients, even winning a frigin emmy. Now your state has 10,000 cases/day and 100+ deaths again and your restaurants are being shut down again. Bye bye small businesses. Still think you guys "did it right"?

 

[durhamgolfer]

This coming from the person who posted those garbage blogs with the header reading, "this blog is highly respected among lawyers." Terrible. Oh, and the person who said that their state "squashed the virus" because they "did it right", your governor should be in prison. Instead, he has a book bragging about killing thousands of nursing home patients, even winning a frigin emmy. Now your state has 10,000 cases/day and 100+ deaths again and your restaurants are being shut down again. Bye bye small businesses. Still think you guys "did it right"?

All your post means is that you too don’t know what you are talking about when it comes to assessing the worth of legal opinions. For the rest of it, of course i am upset about what is going on here and yes i think cuomo’s handling of the nursing homes was downright awful, but every one knew a second wave was coming and the spikes are in large part thanks to the Satmar’s refusal to wear masks while in doors close together singing and the basic pandemic fatigue. But unlike our soon to be ex-president (and that day can’t come soon enough) Cuomo is taking action to try to reverse things.

 

[Mac9192]

It’s absolutely crazy how we can be so divided. The stuff some on the left call news, or newsworthy, is horrible. The people that write these are despicable. That article @bleediteveryday30 posted a couple days ago is a prime example. A “writer” saying he fears Trump supporters will cause violence if Trump isn’t the President. This should never make it to the public. What’s worse is, it’s hypothetical. When nothing has been posted about all this damage done over the last 8+ months by radical left wing groups.

What’s even more pathetic is bleed it posted it. What’s that say about his frame of mind, and level of sanity?

 

[bleediteveryday30]

It’s absolutely crazy how we can be so divided. The stuff some on the left call news, or newsworthy, is horrible. The people that write these are despicable. That article @bleediteveryday30 posted a couple days ago is a prime example. A “writer” saying he fears Trump supporters will cause violence if Trump isn’t the President. This should never make it to the public. What’s worse is, it’s hypothetical. When nothing has been posted about all this damage done over the last 8+ months by radical left wing groups.

What’s even more pathetic is bleed it posted it. What’s that say about his frame of mind, and level of sanity?

You commenting on a person's sanity is a joke.

 

[Mac9192]

Didn’t @bleediteveryday30 post something this loon said? Haha

 

[GhostOf301]

All your post means is that you too don’t know what you are talking about when it comes to assessing the worth of legal opinions. For the rest of it, of course i am upset about what is going on here and yes i think cuomo’s handling of the nursing homes was downright awful, but every one knew a second wave was coming and the spikes are in large part thanks to the Satmar’s refusal to wear masks while in doors close together singing and the basic pandemic fatigue. But unlike our soon to be ex-president (and that day can’t come soon enough) Cuomo is taking action to try to reverse things.

You think you sound smarter than everyone else, but your poor attempt at being condescending fell flat. Now what about Cuomo's claim that you parroted, that he squashed the virus? Seems like that was ******** seeing how the virus is just as strong as ever, no? Can you admit that you both were wrong on that?

 

[Jtre]

It’s absolutely crazy how we can be so divided. The stuff some on the left call news, or newsworthy, is horrible. The people that write these are despicable. That article @bleediteveryday30 posted a couple days ago is a prime example. A “writer” saying he fears Trump supporters will cause violence if Trump isn’t the President. This should never make it to the public. What’s worse is, it’s hypothetical. When nothing has been posted about all this damage done over the last 8+ months by radical left wing groups.

What’s even more pathetic is bleed it posted it. What’s that say about his frame of mind, and level of sanity?

1. There was plenty of things written and said about the protests, riots and property that was destroyed.

2. The media doesn't have to report on potential violence from Trump supporters if they don't get their way.



Here's Michael Flynn tagging well-known Trump supporters and sharing a press release by the We The People organization that says the only peaceful option left is for Trump to declare martial law and have the military oversee a new election. In the fourth to last paragraph, the press release mentions the rise in gun sales and claims a shooting war will start if the election isn't overturned.

With that, I have two questions based on things you always say:

1. Are Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett part of the establishment? They've been unanimous on two straight trips essentially sending the message to Trump to stop these frivolous lawsuits.

2. Since you admittedly only read or watch news outlets like Newsmax, OANN and Fox (before it sold out), how do you know there was no reporting on the violent and destructive aspects of the protests?

 

[Mac9192]

1. There was plenty of things written and said about the protests, riots and property that was destroyed.

2. The media doesn't have to report on potential violence from Trump supporters if they don't get their way.



Here's Michael Flynn tagging well-known Trump supporters and sharing a press release by the We The People organization that says the only peaceful option left is for Trump to declare martial law and have the military oversee a new election. In the fourth to last paragraph, the press release mentions the rise in gun sales and claims a shooting war will start if the election isn't overturned.

With that, I have two questions based on things you always say:

1. Are Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett part of the establishment? They've been unanimous on two straight trips essentially sending the message to Trump to stop these frivolous lawsuits.

2. Since you admittedly only read or watch news outlets like Newsmax, OANN and Fox (before it sold out), how do you know there was no reporting on the violent and destructive aspects of the protests?

First off, I don’t see anything wrong with what Flynn said. Yes, the same Flynn that was railroaded. Flynn is a subject you really don’t want to bring up. You are better off throwing the race card around Rev.
Second, the Supreme Court didn’t want to have that on them. Am I happy about their decision? No. Are they the Establishment? I don’t know.
Third, did you really say the riots and protests got their fair share of scolding? Are you really saying they did? They may have mentioned it as a small nugget, but had it got the fair coverage it should have, it would have stopped sooner. Media and politicians are in bed together. That’s definitely the Establishment.
Speaking of bed together, what about the Chinese spy with the California congressman? The same one that a few years ago, blamed Trump for this? Karma can be a bi#%*, can’t it?

 

[Mac9192]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hu...ates-joe-biden-chinese-emissary-cefc-chairman

 

[Jtre]

First off, I don’t see anything wrong with what Flynn said. Yes, the same Flynn that was railroaded. Flynn is a subject you really don’t want to bring up. You are better off throwing the race card around Rev.
Second, the Supreme Court didn’t want to have that on them. Am I happy about their decision? No. Are they the Establishment? I don’t know.
Third, did you really say the riots and protests got their fair share of scolding? Are you really saying they did? They may have mentioned it as a small nugget, but had it got the fair coverage it should have, it would have stopped sooner. Media and politicians are in bed together. That’s definitely the Establishment.
Speaking of bed together, what about the Chinese spy with the California congressman? The same one that a few years ago, blamed Trump for this? Karma can be a bi#%*, can’t it?

You didn't see anything wrong with the article Flynn shared? You're actually in favor of a U.S. President declaring martial law because he lost an election and then 40+ court cases at every level appealing the loss? You're actually in favor of his supporters taking up arms if he doesn't do it?

The Supreme Court didn't want to have that on them? By shooting these cases down with one-line dismissals and no written dissents, the Court is basically telling Trump he lost and to go home.

I know you won't read anything except some tweets and Newsmax article but read the case that was submitted. One piece of evidence in the suit was that no candidate had ever won Ohio and Florida (which Trump did) and lost the general election. One, something like that actually isn't evidence of anything. Two, it wasn't even true as Nixon won both states in 1960 but lost the electoral college by 84 votes.

Yes, there was plenty of coverage of the ugly parts if the protests. There was plenty of condemnation of rioting, including by both Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

And, yes I agree the congressman who got caught with the Chinese spy is an idiot.

 

[Crest is Garbage]

Man, I just come here now to watch @Jtre dunk on @Mac9192. It’s a thing of beauty.

 

[Mac9192]

You didn't see anything wrong with the article Flynn shared? You're actually in favor of a U.S. President declaring martial law because he lost an election and then 40+ court cases at every level appealing the loss? You're actually in favor of his supporters taking up arms if he doesn't do it?

The Supreme Court didn't want to have that on them? By shooting these cases down with one-line dismissals and no written dissents, the Court is basically telling Trump he lost and to go home.

I know you won't read anything except some tweets and Newsmax article but read the case that was submitted. One piece of evidence in the suit was that no candidate had ever won Ohio and Florida (which Trump did) and lost the general election. One, something like that actually isn't evidence of anything. Two, it wasn't even true as Nixon won both states in 1960 but lost the electoral college by 84 votes.

Yes, there was plenty of coverage of the ugly parts if the protests. There was plenty of condemnation of rioting, including by both Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

And, yes I agree the congressman who got caught with the Chinese spy is an idiot.

You’re too entrenched in politics. Blinds you from ever seeing the truth. The Supreme Court does not want to get involved. It’s way too messy for them. That’s a fact.
What you don’t also realize is how bad the media is, and you can’t get it through your head that I don’t trust them.
If you would look at it honestly, you wouldn’t either. The others are so corrupt, and had they done the job fairly, there wouldn’t never have been Fox, or now Newsmax. Biden will be the President. I know there was cheating, and fraud, but proving it has been impossible. I believe the people in positions to make the right decision are scared, or bought.

 

[Jtre]

You’re too entrenched in politics. Blinds you from ever seeing the truth. The Supreme Court does not want to get involved. It’s way too messy for them. That’s a fact.
What you don’t also realize is how bad the media is, and you can’t get it through your head that I don’t trust them.
If you would look at it honestly, you wouldn’t either. The others are so corrupt, and had they done the job fairly, there wouldn’t never have been Fox, or now Newsmax. Biden will be the President. I know there was cheating, and fraud, but proving it has been impossible. I believe the people in positions to make the right decision are scared, or bought.

Yeah, yeah, I got you. There was cheating because your guy didn't win.

You didn't address whether you read any of the suit, or whether you even know what was in the suit. You just randomly state it's 'a fact' that the Court didn't want to get involved because it's too messy. You proved two things there: You have no familiarity with the history of the Supreme Court and you still don't know the difference between facts and opinion.

There's a Newsmax, not because the media didn't do their jobs, but because there is a market for homer takes. Duke Basketball Report exists because fans like homer takes, not because The Sporting News doesn't know how to cover college sports.

Anyway, you went over everything I said at the beginning regarding your Flynn comments. Let's try this again:

"You didn't see anything wrong with the article Flynn shared? You're actually in favor of a U.S. President declaring martial law because he lost an election and then 40+ court cases at every level appealing the loss? You're actually in favor of his supporters taking up arms if he doesn't do it?"

Please address that. I have to see this.

 

[Mac9192]

Yeah, yeah, I got you. There was cheating because your guy didn't win.

You didn't address whether you read any of the suit, or whether you even know what was in the suit. You just randomly state it's 'a fact' that the Court didn't want to get involved because it's too messy. You proved two things there: You have no familiarity with the history of the Supreme Court and you still don't know the difference between facts and opinion.

There's a Newsmax, not because the media didn't do their jobs, but because there is a market for homer takes. Duke Basketball Report exists because fans like homer takes, not because The Sporting News doesn't know how to cover college sports.

Anyway, you went over everything I said at the beginning regarding your Flynn comments. Let's try this again:

"You didn't see anything wrong with the article Flynn shared? You're actually in favor of a U.S. President declaring martial law because he lost an election and then 40+ court cases at every level appealing the loss? You're actually in favor of his supporters taking up arms if he doesn't do it?"

Please address that. I have to see this.

I have no problem with what Flynn said. He should know. They tried to railroad him. Where you and I agree is that we don’t agree. You are a sheep, and one who believes the lies the media spews.
Look at what Pelosi did with the stimulus and what the media did with the Hunter Biden story. Pure criminal to hold both til after the election.

Take this how you want to, but we have some very evil people that have been in power for way too long.
Whatever it takes to “drain the swamp.”

 

[Mac9192]

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/dershowitz-texas-lawsuit-supremecourt/2020/12/11/id/1001178/

@Jtre, does this explanation work?

 

[Jtre]

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/dershowitz-texas-lawsuit-supremecourt/2020/12/11/id/1001178/

@Jtre, does this explanation work?

Sure, Dershowitz's explanation works. It does ovwrlook the part that even Alito and Thomas said that, if left totally up to them, they would allow the case to be filed but would not offer any other relief. That doesn't mean they don't want to get political. That means they think it is a waste of time to hear a case that, upon initial review, offers nothing of substance.

This isn't hard. No court at any level seems to think any of these suits have any semblance of merit.

Anyway, on to the other stuff:

Being a good conservative like you are (i.e. pro 2nd amendment due to constitutional reasons/ against big government / don't like government interference) how can you support the idea of a President declaring martial law?

As much issue as you seem to take with protests, how can you support Trump followers (would we count you here?) taking up arms if he doesn't declare martial law or if the election isn't overturned?

Next, who do they actually take up arms against? Appointed electors on the 14th? Governerors? Members of Congress? Random people who openly support the President-elect and/or his party? Do you think they should just show up strapped to government buildings?

 

[durhamgolfer]

https://www.businessinsider.com/michigan-electors-have-a-police-escort-ahead-of-mondays-vote-2020-12

 

[Mac9192]

Sure, Dershowitz's explanation works. It does ovwrlook the part that even Alito and Thomas said that, if left totally up to them, they would allow the case to be filed but would not offer any other relief. That doesn't mean they don't want to get political. That means they think it is a waste of time to hear a case that, upon initial review, offers nothing of substance.

This isn't hard. No court at any level seems to think any of these suits have any semblance of merit.

Anyway, on to the other stuff:

Being a good conservative like you are (i.e. pro 2nd amendment due to constitutional reasons/ against big government / don't like government interference) how can you support the idea of a President declaring martial law?

As much issue as you seem to take with protests, how can you support Trump followers (would we count you here?) taking up arms if he doesn't declare martial law or if the election isn't overturned?

Next, who do they actually take up arms against? Appointed electors on the 14th? Governerors? Members of Congress? Random people who openly support the President-elect and/or his party? Do you think they should just show up strapped to government buildings?

Woah Rev, woah little Libby. You’re getting way ahead of yourself. If it ever came to such a thing, the only reason would be because the left is so crazy. There are some Trump supporters that might go to extremes, but as a general rule, they wouldn’t do anything crazy. Crazy is from the left, and it’s because of how they’ve acted for a very long time. Trouble caused by any right wing group is very isolated.

What fair minded person doesn’t support the 2nd amendment? I don’t support violence. You need to look at your own base for violence.

The reason most Trump supporters won’t cause a lot of trouble is we have jobs, and families. We don’t tear cities up, and burn ****. We know someone has to pay for it too.

You really hurt yourself reaching like you do.

 

[durhamgolfer]

Woah Rev, woah little Libby. You’re getting way ahead of yourself. If it ever came to such a thing, the only reason would be because the left is so crazy. There are some Trump supporters that might go to extremes, but as a general rule, they wouldn’t do anything crazy. Crazy is from the left, and it’s because of how they’ve acted for a very long time. Trouble caused by any right wing group is very isolated.

What fair minded person doesn’t support the 2nd amendment? I don’t support violence. You need to look at your own base for violence.

The reason most Trump supporters won’t cause a lot of trouble is we have jobs, and families. We don’t tear cities up, and burn ****. We know someone has to pay for it too.

You really hurt yourself reaching like you do.

Sometimes with your posts, I feel like we have gone down the rabbit hole and are now seeing things in the looking glass. Trump supporters don't do anything crazy? Really? I guess driving a car into a group that had a permit to protest the presence of the statue of Robert E. Lee was what? Normal? Also, did you bother reading the article I just posted about how the Michigan electors are going to need an armed escort when they vote Monday? Remember those lovely armed Trump supporters who were trying to get the Michigan governor to open up the state because Trump told them that would be a damn good idea? Did you forget they brought arms to the state house? Or that they were stared down by those crazy left wing nurses who had basically been putting their lives on the line dealing with Covid patients and had no patience for these spoiled ******** who think that they should never have to do anything a woman says?

 

[GhostOf301]

Sometimes with your posts, I feel like we have gone down the rabbit hole and are now seeing things in the looking glass. Trump supporters don't do anything crazy? Really? I guess driving a car into a group that had a permit to protest the presence of the statue of Robert E. Lee was what? Normal? Also, did you bother reading the article I just posted about how the Michigan electors are going to need an armed escort when they vote Monday? Remember those lovely armed Trump supporters who were trying to get the Michigan governor to open up the state because Trump told them that would be a damn good idea? Did you forget they brought arms to the state house? Or that they were stared down by those crazy left wing nurses who had basically been putting their lives on the line dealing with Covid patients and had no patience for these spoiled ******** who think that they should never have to do anything a woman says?

Those weren't Trump supporters that plotted to kidnap Michigan's governor. But carry on telling other people they don't know what they're talking about.

 

[Jtre]

Woah Rev, woah little Libby. You’re getting way ahead of yourself. If it ever came to such a thing, the only reason would be because the left is so crazy. There are some Trump supporters that might go to extremes, but as a general rule, they wouldn’t do anything crazy. Crazy is from the left, and it’s because of how they’ve acted for a very long time. Trouble caused by any right wing group is very isolated.

What fair minded person doesn’t support the 2nd amendment? I don’t support violence. You need to look at your own base for violence.

The reason most Trump supporters won’t cause a lot of trouble is we have jobs, and families. We don’t tear cities up, and burn ****. We know someone has to pay for it too.

You really hurt yourself reaching like you do.

Yeah, yeah, I know. Trump supporters have jobs, libs depend on social assistance programs. Right.

Anyway, like usual, you apparently didn't read the press release Flynn shared. In that fourth paragraph from the end that I previously mentioned the We The People group is actually endorsing the idea of taking up arms if Trump doesn't declare martial law and have military oversee a new election.

We the People may be a fringe group. General Michael Flynn, as well as many of the folks tagged in Flynn's post, actually have the ability to get in Trump's ear.

You said you have no issue with his comments. If you read the press release he shared and have no problem with it, you support violence.

That's not me stretching. That's you being you.

For the record, I support the 2nd amendment. I just think it's comical that people think the literal interpretation of it means that any regulation on the type of arms one possesses violates the 2nd Amendment.