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I responded to your post entirely by agreeing that there is obviously bias from the conservative media. I addressed how silly it was for you to include Alex Jones and the Q Anon nuts in with the conservative media. I did not say at all that you were ONLY bringing up the crazy outliers.

But here you are with the stolen election thing. Q Anon nuts might have wild theories about how the election was stolen. But the notion that this was not a free and fair election is not a Q Anon conspiracy theory. The real conspiracy is from the MSM and the sheep who believe what they see from them when they say that there is no evidence of fraud or that the way states changed their voting laws at the 11th hour was indicative of a fair election. But most on the right have moved on. You weirdos keep bringing it up. Orange man gone. Move on.
We are still living with the fallout of the big lie and treason that took place on 1/6. And Trump is far from gone. He is still very much a presence on the political scene and will probably run again. So until you guys take off your blinders and accept that Biden won in a secured election, the country continues to be influenced by someone who I think would love to be king.
 

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We are still living with the fallout of the big lie and treason that took place on 1/6. And Trump is far from gone. He is still very much a presence on the political scene and will probably run again. So until you guys take off your blinders and accept that Biden won in a secured election, the country continues to be influenced by someone who I think would love to be king.
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I watched that tape and Candace’s interview. I am not sure who the they is that she is discussing when she says “they locked it down.” This was from a body camera so it was up to the PD to release it. It did get released because she was able to watch it. Also, I am not sure how this tape changes the discussion. As far as I know, everyone recognized that he was resisting arrest initially and the question was whether what Chauvin was doing in subduing him went from outside police regs to criminal. Btw, if anything the tape makes him more sympathetic because it was clear thathewas terrified that the policewere going to shoot him when he got outside the car.
No, the media sold him as nothing more than a victim of police brutality, ending tragically in death. I think he was stoned. He repeatedly had to be told what to do, and he escalated the situation. He may have been scared, but his condition he was in made it worse.
His life is a sad one, yet he was made to be a hero, with multiple funerals, in multiple states. If I’m not mistaken, at least one was televised.
Because of all this, and how he was made out, this was a guilty verdict before the trial started.
Who’s the reason? MEDIA.
 

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No, the media sold him as nothing more than a victim of police brutality, ending tragically in death. I think he was stoned. He repeatedly had to be told what to do, and he escalated the situation. He may have been scared, but his condition he was in made it worse.
His life is a sad one, yet he was made to be a hero, with multiple funerals, in multiple states. If I’m not mistaken, at least one was televised.
Because of all this, and how he was made out, this was a guilty verdict before the trial started.
Who’s the reason? MEDIA.
well then you and I were watching/reading different things. The clips you sent me don’t prove your point, however.
 

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well then you and I were watching/reading different things. The clips you sent me don’t prove your point, however.
We definitely did watch/read different things. You’re missing the point. You asked if anything was brought into the trial. What I do know is until the trial, the public wasn’t made aware of these videos, or at least by the msm. It’s what they do.

I mean this not in a bad way, but you’re still so entrenched with your thinking, and refuse to believe the media’s mission is to help stir the pot and keep blacks/whites, and the poor/rich fighting. You and @Jtre have been brainwashed into believing the media.
I don’t think you’re a bad person, but you’ve been lied to, and now think everything msm says is true, or if it’s rebutted by the other side, even in video, you discredit the source.
 

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We definitely did watch/read different things. You’re missing the point. You asked if anything was brought into the trial. What I do know is until the trial, the public wasn’t made aware of these videos, or at least by the msm. It’s what they do.

I mean this not in a bad way, but you’re still so entrenched with your thinking, and refuse to believe the media’s mission is to help stir the pot and keep blacks/whites, and the poor/rich fighting. You and @Jtre have been brainwashed into believing the media.
I don’t think you’re a bad person, but you’ve been lied to, and now think everything msm says is true, or if it’s rebutted by the other side, even in video, you discredit the source.
First of all, from what Candace said, the decision did not look like it was with MSM when to release the full tape. That tape was not the property of journalists but of the police department. It was their decision to make. Second, it seems that in fact that tape was released to the news outlets before the trial since she got a chance to look at it.
As I have said before, I work in law enforcement and I stopped counting the number of times the press purposefully misrepresented certain facts either before or during the trial to make the police or the District Attorney's office look like the evil empire. I was a present at forum on the first amendment and trials when a judge went off on a number of newsmen that they did not want to engage in thoughtful journalism. They wanted to sell stories, hence the "if it bleeds it leads" expression. In fact, one case was one I was involved with and it was pretty awful to watch how the press reported it.
I am not brainwashed anymore than you, Ghost, Topps, or KD are. You have your views of the world and I have mine. It would be helpful if we could discuss those views without the name calling and the insults and yes, I am not immune to having acted poorly as well.
 

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First of all, from what Candace said, the decision did not look like it was with MSM when to release the full tape. That tape was not the property of journalists but of the police department. It was their decision to make. Second, it seems that in fact that tape was released to the news outlets before the trial since she got a chance to look at it.
As I have said before, I work in law enforcement and I stopped counting the number of times the press purposefully misrepresented certain facts either before or during the trial to make the police or the District Attorney's office look like the evil empire. I was a present at forum on the first amendment and trials when a judge went off on a number of newsmen that they did not want to engage in thoughtful journalism. They wanted to sell stories, hence the "if it bleeds it leads" expression. In fact, one case was one I was involved with and it was pretty awful to watch how the press reported it.
I am not brainwashed anymore than you, Ghost, Topps, or KD are. You have your views of the world and I have mine. It would be helpful if we could discuss those views without the name calling and the insults and yes, I am not immune to having acted poorly as well.
Mr twisted here says hello. Appreciate the sorta kinda mea culpa. Let’s review the facts of the case. Police were called as Floyd was attempting to pass a counterfeit 20 dollar bill? Fact. When arriving at the scene he was so stoned he was barely able to understand English? Fact. At some point he began to resist arrest and had to be restrained? Fact. Once he was handcuffed with the assistance of other officers was it necessary for the officer to apply the neck hold for over 9 minutes? That’s why he was convicted by the jury with the help of democrats and the media pretending like the police just went out that day looking for a black man to kill. And now we have this teenage girl in Ohio a hoax of Michael brown proportions
 

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Mr twisted here says hello. Appreciate the sorta kinda mea culpa. Let’s review the facts of the case. Police were called as Floyd was attempting to pass a counterfeit 20 dollar bill? Fact. When arriving at the scene he was so stoned he was barely able to understand English? Fact. At some point he began to resist arrest and had to be restrained? Fact. Once he was handcuffed with the assistance of other officers was it necessary for the officer to apply the neck hold for over 9 minutes? That’s why he was convicted by the jury with the help of democrats and the media pretending like the police just went out that day looking for a black man to kill. And now we have this teenage girl in Ohio a hoax of Michael brown proportions
That was always the issue. Was he justified in using that degree of force to subdue Floyd. As far as the jury verdict, were you either in the courtroom or watching the proceedings every single day of the trial? That is pretty much the only way to know whether the verdict was just.
 

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No, the media sold him as nothing more than a victim of police brutality, ending tragically in death. I think he was stoned. He repeatedly had to be told what to do, and he escalated the situation. He may have been scared, but his condition he was in made it worse.
His life is a sad one, yet he was made to be a hero, with multiple funerals, in multiple states. If I’m not mistaken, at least one was televised.
Because of all this, and how he was made out, this was a guilty verdict before the trial started.
Who’s the reason? MEDIA.
Not that Floyd should have died for what he did. But he wasn't a good person, he had a history of violence against women, robbed and stole for years and stayed in a constant state of impairment due to his own choices. This is why it pisses me off to no end that he was paraded around like a fallen soldier and given 3 funerals where hundreds of people that didn't know him exploited his death for a shitshow of social justice pandering. All in a time where millions of people had to say goodbye to their loved ones through a glass wall and couldn't hold services to pay tribute to their lives. All because he was black and the cop was white without having a shred of evidence that race had anything to do with it. Such garbage.
 

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That was always the issue. Was he justified in using that degree of force to subdue Floyd. As far as the jury verdict, were you either in the courtroom or watching the proceedings every single day of the trial? That is pretty much the only way to know whether the verdict was just.
The other thing that those of you who insist the verdict was tainted seem to either ignore or dismiss is that there was a jury in that courtroom made up of citizens who listened to the evidence. Is there any reason to doubt that they took their responsibility seriously, listened to the evidence and made a judgment based upon that and only that. BTW, does anyone really think that the jurors needed Maxine Walters to talk about what would happen if there was an acquittal? I am pretty sure they had realized that long before she weighed in.
 

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That was always the issue. Was he justified in using that degree of force to subdue Floyd. As far as the jury verdict, were you either in the courtroom or watching the proceedings every single day of the trial? That is pretty much the only way to know whether the verdict was just.
You're missing the point. The media (then the mob) made it out like he was nothing but a victim in this tragedy. It is a tragedy, but one made in large part to what kind of state he was in physically and mentally.
Also, as stated above about the 15 year old girl killed in Columbus, all of the facts weren't presented to the media. Instead, the criminals that they are, showed to the public what would fan the flames.

The bastards (media) should pay for doing what they do. It's obvious, but you have to get your head out of the sand to see it.
 
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The other thing that those of you who insist the verdict was tainted seem to either ignore or dismiss is that there was a jury in that courtroom made up of citizens who listened to the evidence. Is there any reason to doubt that they took their responsibility seriously, listened to the evidence and made a judgment based upon that and only that. BTW, does anyone really think that the jurors needed Maxine Walters to talk about what would happen if there was an acquittal? I am pretty sure they had realized that long before she weighed in.
As I stated earlier. I am satisfied with the outcome. But there are serious concerns about how the 2nd and 3rd degree murder charges will survive appeals. 2nd degree has a better chance at being upheld, but 3rd degree should have never even been allowed by the judge. Look up 3rd degree murder and tell me a scenario where he is guilty of it.

To answer your question, no I don't think the jury needed Waters to chime in to understand what would happen if they acquitted him. That doesn't make her actions more acceptable at all and she should be removed from her seat.
 
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As I stated earlier. I am satisfied with the outcome. But there are serious concerns about how the 2nd and 3rd degree murder charges will survive appeals. 2nd degree has a better chance at being upheld, but 3rd degree should have never even been allowed by the judge. Look up 3rd degree murder and tell me a scenario where he is guilty of it.

To answer your question, no I don't think the jury needed Waters to chime in to understand what would happen if they acquitted him. That doesn't make her actions more acceptable at all and she should be removed from her seat.
Everyone knew there would be riots, looting, and burning if they didn’t like the verdict but when a sitting member of congress condones it, it legitimizes it to some in the “ I wanna be a victim so bad I’m willing to forget everything I know and just say. Baa baa baa baa”
 

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You're missing the point. The media (then the mob) made it out like he was nothing but a victim in this tragedy. It is a tragedy, but one made in large part to what kind of state he was in physically and mentally.
Also, as stated above about the 15 year old girl killed in Columbus, all of the facts weren't presented to the media. Instead, the criminals that they are, showed to the public what would fan the flames.

The bastards (media) should pay for doing what they do. It's obvious, but you have to get your head out of the sand to see it.
Police are placed in truly impossible situations. So if I don’t want to be killed during my next police encounter I will answer their questions with respect. I will not resist arrest. If I have a weapon I will surrender it. I feel confident if I do things I will live to see another day
 

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The other thing that those of you who insist the verdict was tainted seem to either ignore or dismiss is that there was a jury in that courtroom made up of citizens who listened to the evidence. Is there any reason to doubt that they took their responsibility seriously, listened to the evidence and made a judgment based upon that and only that. BTW, does anyone really think that the jurors needed Maxine Walters to talk about what would happen if there was an acquittal? I am pretty sure they had realized that long before she weighed in.
Not tainted influenced. Everyone knows what would happen if he were acquitted. How could this not influence members of a jury from the very area that would suffer millions in property damage?
 

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That was always the issue. Was he justified in using that degree of force to subdue Floyd. As far as the jury verdict, were you either in the courtroom or watching the proceedings every single day of the trial? That is pretty much the only way to know whether the verdict was just.
So by that logic, if the protesters weren’t in the courtroom ( they weren’t) or watching every single day ( too busy watching ridiculousness on mtv) they don’t really know if the “verdict was just”. So I guess they should just go home and start applying for jobs right?
 

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So by that logic, if the protesters weren’t in the courtroom ( they weren’t) or watching every single day ( too busy watching ridiculousness on mtv) they don’t really know if the “verdict was just”. So I guess they should just go home and start applying for jobs right?
I am not sure what argument you are trying to make but, yes. the only people who are really in a position to judge are the ones who are either in the courtroom or can watch all of it remotely.
 

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Not tainted influenced. Everyone knows what would happen if he were acquitted. How could this not influence members of a jury from the very area that would suffer millions in property damage?
true, but the point is that Maxine Waters did not start or contribute to that.
 

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You're missing the point. The media (then the mob) made it out like he was nothing but a victim in this tragedy. It is a tragedy, but one made in large part to what kind of state he was in physically and mentally.
Also, as stated above about the 15 year old girl killed in Columbus, all of the facts weren't presented to the media. Instead, the criminals that they are, showed to the public what would fan the flames.

The bastards (media) should pay for doing what they do. It's obvious, but you have to get your head out of the sand to see it.
Mac, please. Try to read what I am actually saying. It will make the discussion less contentious.
 

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I am not sure what argument you are trying to make but, yes. the only people who are really in a position to judge are the ones who are either in the courtroom or can watch all of it remotely.
So the protesters are in no position to judge let alone loot or burn since they weren’t in the courtroom or watch all of the trial
 

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So the protesters are in no position to judge let alone loot or burn since they weren’t in the courtroom or watch all of the trial
KD, don’t start this sh#% man. How dare you ask something that makes sense? The poor girl’s having a rough enough time as it is. She’s getting drug through the mud, and not a single lib has tried helping her cause. The resident rev, @Jtre must be picking up his suits from the dry cleaners.
The only one that has posted anything is one of the Lego Block brothers, @Crest is Garbage. And as usual, it was just a ridiculous meme, proving that his elevator doesn’t go nowhere near the top floor.
 

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So the protesters are in no position to judge let alone loot or burn since they weren’t in the courtroom or watch all of the trial
I don't know where you got the idea that I condone looting or burning. Even if they were in the courtroom they are not entitled to do that. You keep telling me how it is the liberals fault that the country is so divided but then you insist on twisting what I say.
 

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KD, don’t start this sh#% man. How dare you ask something that makes sense? The poor girl’s having a rough enough time as it is. She’s getting drug through the mud, and not a single lib has tried helping her cause. The resident rev, @Jtre must be picking up his suits from the dry cleaners.
The only one that has posted anything is one of the Lego Block brothers, @Crest is Garbage. And as usual, it was just a ridiculous meme, proving that his elevator doesn’t go nowhere near the top floor.
Actually, not only am I not having a rough time, I am enjoying myself greatly. But thanks for your concern.
 
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As I stated earlier. I am satisfied with the outcome. But there are serious concerns about how the 2nd and 3rd degree murder charges will survive appeals. 2nd degree has a better chance at being upheld, but 3rd degree should have never even been allowed by the judge. Look up 3rd degree murder and tell me a scenario where he is guilty of it.

To answer your question, no I don't think the jury needed Waters to chime in to understand what would happen if they acquitted him. That doesn't make her actions more acceptable at all and she should be removed from her seat.
Here is the def of 3rd degree:(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years. That seems pretty apt. You are right about second degree. I am not sure how that one sticks.
 

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KD, don’t start this sh#% man. How dare you ask something that makes sense? The poor girl’s having a rough enough time as it is. She’s getting drug through the mud, and not a single lib has tried helping her cause. The resident rev, @Jtre must be picking up his suits from the dry cleaners.
The only one that has posted anything is one of the Lego Block brothers, @Crest is Garbage. And as usual, it was just a ridiculous meme, proving that his elevator doesn’t go nowhere near the top floor.
Classic post. I feel bad for my waiter on the 19th hole as I lol to the extent that a couple ounces of jack and coke ended up on the floor, I will leave him a massive tip though he’s a good dude
 
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Here is the def of 3rd degree:(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years. That seems pretty apt. You are right about second degree. I am not sure how that one sticks.
Is this Minnesota code law or just some random **** you found on the internet?
 

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Classic post. I feel bad for my waiter on the 19th hole as I lol to the extent that a couple ounces of jack and coke ended up on the floor, I will leave him a massive tip though he’s a good dude
I don't know where you got the idea that I condone looting or burning. Even if they were in the courtroom they are not entitled to do that. You keep telling me how it is the liberals fault that the country is so divided but then you insist on twisting what I say.
Because your overlords at cnn (cuomo, don lamon) as well as waters Biden and the hyena are condoning violence. “ I mean I don’t want any property destroyed but people have a right to be angry” is the general theme. The protected classes can do whatever they want in 2021
 

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Because your overlords at cnn (cuomo, don lamon) as well as waters Biden and the hyena are condoning violence. “ I mean I don’t want any property destroyed but people have a right to be angry” is the general theme. The protected classes can do whatever they want in 2021
quit the overlord ****. believe it or not i am fairly capable of thinking on my own and am happy to debate you on the merits. you seem to feel more comfortable slinging mud.