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Good assistant, yes. But plenty of good assistant coaches were complete failures as a head coach.
As for Cohen, I think it's funny that the one thing he didn't do at Kentucky is the one thing you continually harp on Stans not doing. And that's advance to a Sweet 16 (or in Cohen's case a super regional).
As for Cohen, I think it's funny that the one thing he didn't do at Kentucky is the one thing you continually harp on Stans not doing. And that's advance to a Sweet 16 (or in Cohen's case a super regional).
I think everyone was pleased with Mullen all throughout the season except Todd4State after the LSU game.
Mullen has proved nothing as a HC. Sure our stats looked better in many areas this year but he still hasn't had a winning season. Things do appear to be on the up and up but saying he has proven himself is retarded at best.
Cohen has proven nothing more than Stansbury.
Cohen has proven nothing more than Stansbury.
"Good assistant, yes. But plenty of good assistant coaches were complete failures as a head coach"
Mullen improved our football program in every facet last season over the previous regime- that's a sign that he is a good HC. All signs point to our program being in pretty good hands. There are also hundreds of examples of successful assistants becoming excellent HC's
"As for Cohen, I think it's funny that the one thing he didn't do at Kentucky is the one thing you continually harp on Stans not doing. And that's advance to a Sweet 16 (or in Cohen's case a super regional)."
Cohen won at Northwestern State, and then coached Kentucky to their most successful season in school history. Stans the Man has yet to do that at Mississippi State. Plus, you are going off a small sample at Kentucky- especially when most of it was spent rebuilding. In Cohen's 7 years as an SEC HC, 5 of those have been rebuilding. Stans the Man inherited a pretty good team at State his first season and did a solid job with them. And has been solid every season since. You just wont ever see anything great from him.
Mullen improved our football program in every facet last season over the previous regime- that's a sign that he is a good HC. All signs point to our program being in pretty good hands. There are also hundreds of examples of successful assistants becoming excellent HC's
"As for Cohen, I think it's funny that the one thing he didn't do at Kentucky is the one thing you continually harp on Stans not doing. And that's advance to a Sweet 16 (or in Cohen's case a super regional)."
Cohen won at Northwestern State, and then coached Kentucky to their most successful season in school history. Stans the Man has yet to do that at Mississippi State. Plus, you are going off a small sample at Kentucky- especially when most of it was spent rebuilding. In Cohen's 7 years as an SEC HC, 5 of those have been rebuilding. Stans the Man inherited a pretty good team at State his first season and did a solid job with them. And has been solid every season since. You just wont ever see anything great from him.
1. how many seasons would you allow Cohen and Mullen to do a "solid job" (which I guess is getting to the post season more often than not and always having a winning season), before you started jumping their asses?
2. would you be happier as a state fan with three "solid coaches" than you have been in the past with Polk II and Croom?
2. would you be happier as a state fan with three "solid coaches" than you have been in the past with Polk II and Croom?
it was nothing big- just stuff like Patdog is doing now and pointing out what Stans the Man has done in 12 years to Mullen's 1.
I'm not sure if they can't actually see how much better we are coached and prepared in football vs basketball or they just don't want to admit it.
I'm not sure if they can't actually see how much better we are coached and prepared in football vs basketball or they just don't want to admit it.
I never said Mullen isn't a good head coach. I think he's a great coach who did a good job last yearand is going to surprise a lot of people this fall. But he hasn't provedhe's a good head coachyet.
As for Cohen, I don't care where he was coaching, the fact is he took an SEC championship team and flamed out in a regional that he hosted. And why have 5 of his 7 seasons in the SEC been rebuilding seasons? He gets a pass for his first 2 years at UK and his 2 years at MSU. That's 4. If he was rebuilding a 5th year at Kentucky, it's his own damn fault. Also, Stans did NOT inherit a pretty good team. He inherited a team coming off of 2 straight losing seasons.
As for Cohen, I don't care where he was coaching, the fact is he took an SEC championship team and flamed out in a regional that he hosted. And why have 5 of his 7 seasons in the SEC been rebuilding seasons? He gets a pass for his first 2 years at UK and his 2 years at MSU. That's 4. If he was rebuilding a 5th year at Kentucky, it's his own damn fault. Also, Stans did NOT inherit a pretty good team. He inherited a team coming off of 2 straight losing seasons.
He tried to make a splash instead of just handing the ball to the best back in the SEC and winning the game.
/Still not completely over that.
/Still not completely over that.
...and second I believe it was supposed to be an option to AD but Lee decided to keep it. There was absolutely nothing wrong with the play calling on the final 2 plays, just the execution
But that was on him, and I'm much more referring to third down than 4th down. You simply don't call a play that you just installed a couple of days before (the jump pass) in the biggest moment of a game with a vertically-challenged quarterback who is only playing because he's the only one who can get everyone lined up correctly when you have a highly talented running back in the backfield who happens to weigh somewhere in the neighborhood of 240 lbs.
It was coaches getting cute, and it cost us.
It was coaches getting cute, and it cost us.
counting the NIT as "postseason"...with the SOS we have, it's damn near impossible at the very least to make the NIT. And yes, there is no excuse for the other schools in the West that have had losing seasons and not made it. Football is based on bowl games, baseball and basketball on making the NCAA Tourney- thats it.
Cohen has 2 more years to get this ship moving in the right direction. I fully believe he will get there with the recruiting classes he is bringing in. Polk's mess and injuries have made this rebuild even tougher than it should have. But hopefully we will see some progress next season. The MLB draft tells you how much talent he has had to work with- we are last in the SEC in draft picks the last 2 seasons. If we somehow dont make the NCAA Tourney in 2012, then I will want him gone
Mullen needs to get us in bowl games and every 3-4 years have that special season where we make a NYD Bowl. Thats not too much to ask, even though it is more difficult task at State than at other schools. Better scheduling will hopefully aid that in the next few years. I can see nothing but optimism coming from the football program right now
I am happy as a fan right now except in basketball. No excuse for not making the NCAA Tourney last season. And God knows whats ahead this season. 2 trips the last 5 seasons is below expectations- and hopefully that changes. But if it doesnt, a change needs to be made
Cohen has 2 more years to get this ship moving in the right direction. I fully believe he will get there with the recruiting classes he is bringing in. Polk's mess and injuries have made this rebuild even tougher than it should have. But hopefully we will see some progress next season. The MLB draft tells you how much talent he has had to work with- we are last in the SEC in draft picks the last 2 seasons. If we somehow dont make the NCAA Tourney in 2012, then I will want him gone
Mullen needs to get us in bowl games and every 3-4 years have that special season where we make a NYD Bowl. Thats not too much to ask, even though it is more difficult task at State than at other schools. Better scheduling will hopefully aid that in the next few years. I can see nothing but optimism coming from the football program right now
I am happy as a fan right now except in basketball. No excuse for not making the NCAA Tourney last season. And God knows whats ahead this season. 2 trips the last 5 seasons is below expectations- and hopefully that changes. But if it doesnt, a change needs to be made
No one is knocking Mullen. Even patdog is not knocking Mullen. He said he did a good job.
And don't bring Ronny into this.
And don't bring Ronny into this.
do I have to list those players names again? Stans the Man inherited some really good basketball players his 1st season....
Hell, Cameron Burns, Hartsfield, Merritte, Carter, and the group had a losing record as Sophmores before making the NIT as juniors. So Williams didnt have a good team taking the floor in 1990 because they had a losing record in 1989?
Hell, Cameron Burns, Hartsfield, Merritte, Carter, and the group had a losing record as Sophmores before making the NIT as juniors. So Williams didnt have a good team taking the floor in 1990 because they had a losing record in 1989?
...instead of trying to zip it in there it was an easy TD. It was a great play call that wasnt executed
i am definitely frustrated with basketball but i wouldn't go so far as to say i am unhappy about where we are as a program. i may get irrational and want stans to jump off a bridge after silly losses but i know where we could be just by looking at football and baseball.
you appear to be happier with potential than actual results. i'd be damn happy to see both mullen and cohen have winning seasons next year but i won't be happy until they actually do. so for me, saying mullen has proven himself is absurd until that time. hell i would bet that mullen would tell you he hasn't proven himself yet. as for cohen, he did do well in the past but so far here we have looked awful. i hope getting his players in does the trick.
i still like mullen and cohen and hope it works out but right now, we only have a few seasons between them to go on.
he went 20-13(8-8) and was probably a win away from the NCAA. The year before, we were 15-15 (4-12).
DerHntr said:
in being a pretty good judge of whats to come- I could see that Crooms was never going to run a successful program...I could see that Polk had lost some steps and wasnt recruiting the way he had in the 1990's..I see Mullen and Cohen being successful here in the future. I see Stans the Man continuing his middle of road path and even that is starting to slip. These upcoming seasons are really crucial for all 3 coaches- Mullen to keep building excitement, Stans the Man to prove he hasnt lost it, and Cohen to show progress and put some people at ease about the direction of the program
I vote C34's new title is that since he has recently acquired the ability to see into the future.