This team needs to get better at the fundamentals before we worry about scoring points. We need to be able to block, tackle, and run, with an emphasis on blocking.
The Next Two Years are Free
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This team needs to get better at the fundamentals before we worry about scoring points. We need to be able to block, tackle, and run, with an emphasis on blocking.
Al,
I have to say I always love your optimism for this team, but this thread/post has done the opposite for me. Four years in and we are still talking about learning fundamentals and who cares if we score any points? Really makes me excited for the season.
No - he’s not saying it’s no biggie. He’s saying we’re in a holding pattern. The reason is not because Schiano is getting special treatment.
You can’t change the fact that Schiano brought in a QB who was a highly sought after, gem recruit. GW hasn’t materialized yet, and maybe he never will. Maybe that’s the coaching fault and he’d be a star somewhere else. Or maybe he’s just not going to pan out. These are big questions. But for a school like RU, you can’t bring in a prize kid like this early from high school and not give them every chance possible to shine. Everyone on here knows we basically had no choice but to go all in on Wimsatt this year. That’s the holding pattern.
Now the Schiano haters will continue to insist that Wimsatt would be a stud by now somewhere else. Maybe that will prove true in the end, but no matter what anyone says, nobody would know that for sure until Wimsatt fails here and has success at another FBS school (forget BIG level because I’m sticking with my guns in that we mainly need a game manager caliber to compete). Last we saw of our QB injury free, he went 4/12 with a pick against Wagner. So the good news is he can make big improvement strides without reaching the level of “good” or even “above average”. We’ll be better if he’s even just mediocre.
I guess what I’m saying is if Ash had brought in a QB recruit of Wimsatt's caliber, and not sported a defense that was FCS level at best - he would’ve been given the same extended chance to turn things around. With Ash - there was no hope. Nothing moving in the right direction. We were regularly losing to mid-majors and nothing in the pipeline to think we’d get better in any areas of the game. Again - not special treatment here. There are reasons to be hopeful that we’re going to get better not worse over the next few years. The score board will depend of variables like Wimsatt and who we play. But most units on our team today are materially better than the ones Schiano inherited.
Ok can we talk about the actual on field product? Because we are watching 2 different teams.
No one is expecting us to be a regular 9 win team. Where did you get that delusion? What we want is a coach who actually has the ability to coach and have the team cross its own 40 vs Maryland. We want a coach who’s not too chicken sh*t to run a 2 min drill with 1:33 before halftime down 7 vs a team with 5 starters suspended in a game. We want a coach who doesn’t roll out THREE SEPARATE QB’s for the first 3 offensive snaps of the season. We want a coach who when he gives a press conference doesn’t sit up and give more excuses than any other CFB coach in the country. Genuinely, the ONLY reason anyone still has any faith in Schiano is they are living in denial and know nothing about the modern game. Some people like me have accepted that Greg is trash these days, others still get off watching YouTube videos of 2006 Louisville living in the past.
So basically your saying that you a) don’t think we win the Nebraska game by simply keeping the ball on the ground; b) disagree that MOL from the Iowa game would’ve been ssignificantly less if we didn’t gift Iowa 17 defensive points - note that we only put up 10 points total to show for the aggressive play and only 7 of them were a result of taking chances in the air. AND c) not only do you disagree with A and B - you believe it’s “off the wall” to even suggest these things?
Come on man. To suggest that we were nowhere near being in this position is just not supported by the facts.
See my previous post. Almost 5-2. Would’ve been if we played Schiano’s way through and through and he didn’t give Gleeson the green light vs. Nebraska. Imagine Sam Brown doesn’t get hurt? It’s not unreasonable to think we could’ve won 7-8 games last season including a low tier bowl win. We have made some progress is the point. We’ve gotten the job done in the early season. We’re very thin talent wise because it takes time to build roster depth. Unfortunately we’ve had a lot of bad luck with who gets injured. Maybe that will turn our way this year. I’m just saying we aren’t that far off.
When pigs fly Al…. Woulda coulda shoulda, excuses, excuses, excuses. No wonder you love Greg so much, you love excuses!
What is the definition of insanity? Al, you understand with your posts you could be diagnosed as legally insane. “These next 2 years don’t matter” hate to break this to you but they absolutely do, do you think the student body is excited for Rutgers football anymore? Do you think really anyone who went to RU in the last 10 years cares anymore? A large part of that is because of Schiano. He left us high and dry a decade ago at the worst possible timing, did nothing to assist in the transition (meanwhile you remember how we let ASH coach for OSU after we hired him?). People like you are the reason Rutgers gets taken advantage of in football. You have such a loser mentality when it comes to your husband Schiano and refuse to acknowledge the issues surrounding him. Heck you just posted above that Toure’s brother, a legacy recruit, chose PSU. How is Greg screwing up legacy recruits? I mean according to you ‘No one else can succeed at Rutgers’ so how is he missing out on layup recruits? Not only missing out, he goes to the team we all hate.
Genuinely, you care more about Schiano than you do Rutgers
Uhhh no. What fans would say is when you have a quarterback who couldn’t hit a barn door unblocked you need to bring in a transfer. As Al has said MANY times, we don’t need 4-5*’s to win. Heck quarterbacks especially are completely up in the air, a kids HS ranking means next to nothing once they arrive on campus.
Prime example being Christian Hackenberg and Trace McSorely. Hackenberg was an all world 5* recruit, McSorely was a 3* QB who has like 2 P5 offers. Which one was better?
The fact that Greg brought in NO ONE to challenge Gavin tells everything we need to know. I wish it wasn’t true but this upcoming season has a 2018-2019 feel to it. No one’s excited, we all expect to suck. Heck even the eternal optimist, RutgersAl is making spins in anticipation of a poor season. Greg Schiano is the problem, point blank.
Why do you think we had to pay $1.5 million to get Kirk C? It’s his retirement package, he knows this is where he’s coming to die under Schiano and needs enough to live off of. Sorry for pointing out the realities that some people don’t want to hear
I like what you said, but you left out some important items. Schiano's failure to recruit and develop (1) a functional OL that can pass block; (2) functional TEs that could block and catch; (3) functional WRs that could regularly run routes and get separation against B1G defenses. On the last one, that may have been their in Ryan and Melton, but was probably obscured by (1) and (2). Do you agree?
The facts are if the execution was better (just a little better) at the QB position maybe we do win those games.
Game plan wasn’t that bad. How it played out is what doomed us.
Recent posts have given me more hope that your team will have a decent season. That would be cool.
Schiano previously gambled on transfers which didn’t work out. The long term solution is to recruit and develop High School kids.
This years OL should be functional, thx to better coaching and development. If Sutton can play, it will be a huge boost.
The TE position should also be effective with Bowman, Konopka, Jonny, and Mike Higgins contributing significantly. The WR position is also set with Jackson, Brantley, Braithwaite, Long, Rochelle, and Washington.
We also have the kids for the OL of tomorrow, already on the roster developing.
- White
- Stinette
- Stone
- Asamoah
- Chin
This puts us way ahead of where we were previously. If Duff and Brown commit, the WR Corp will be set for the future,
The student body represented well last year, and I expect they will continue to do so. We’re building the program and it is going to take time, but we will show progress this year, as the offense will be much improved. The talent is better, the depth is better, and now we just have to go out and execute.
The excuses are just behind absurd at this point when so many other places have shown that you can make turnarounds quickly today, especially because rapid fire offense can put you into games you wouldn't have been in in the past, when it took 5 to 7 minutes to get a TD after bulling your way downfield. Once again, lots of our fans are trapped in the past, and seemingly our coach, too, trying to make an obsolete model work. It's not the 80s anymore. Things aren't working because they don't work that way for ANYONE in 2023. Only Schiano and his fans haven't realized this. How did Tennessee turn around so quickly? Rushing and ball control offense?
Contradicting yourself, again. Nothing is free in this world. The time is now, not in 3 years. No more ******** excuses.
The last three years were free and we just need a little more talent to be Big Ten Competitive. ‘24 Class fills in remaining talent gaps, but they will need a year to develop.
It’s not the alignment. It’s the alignees.
Have you ever been to Tennessee? They have boosters who prioritize a successful football program and DONATE. Their facilities are second to none. Their stadium environment is second to none. Tennessee sells itself. If Rutgers had Tennessee’s support, we would have won National Championships many times over.
Al, a few others besides myself tend to look on the chances the RU FB gets back to it's winning ways in a positive manner and sometimes bang the drum loudly at times.
The no can do, we'll never be good enough has no place in our fanhood.
We belive good things are on the horizon and are not shy expressing that fact.
We'll let the doom and gloom crowd get upset seeing a positive outlook posted here.
I'LL just say you and other doom and gloomers can shed your negativity anytime you like and join the can do crowd banging the drum here
Missed the point. A few of you blindly refuse to get it.Al, a few others besides myself tend to look on the chances the RU FB gets back to it's winning ways in a positive manner and sometimes bang the drum loudly at times.
The no can do, we'll never be good enough has no place in our fanhood.
We belive good things are on the horizon and are not shy expressing that fact.
We'll let the doom and gloom crowd get upset seeing a positive outlook posted here.
I'LL just say you and other doom and gloomers can shed your negativity anytime you like and join the can do crowd banging the drum here
yup! absurd is an understatement
Greg is not the answer and we've seen enough to validate that answer
Greg is failing here, he sucks
If Rutgers had Tennessee's support Greg would have got pushed out before even starting.
We are very lucky because we would have wasted millions on another coach who didn’t know what they were doing. Greg knows what he is doing, yet we are still struggling somewhat. Progress does not come easy here because the facilities are non competitive and the fans do not support NIL, save for retention. This is a slow build.
Most of the work is done. Two more years to go to be where we want to be.
this is spot on and really sad that we bent over for a guy that isn't even .500
pathetic fanbase that accepts mediocrity
Writing was on the wall for his return when the stadium production crew had a video/picture montage prepared, welcoming Schiano back when he was a coach at Ohio State.
I’m a fan of Schiano but he needs to produce now. This whole he gets another 2-4 years is absurd.
the G1 era program started bowling in it's 5th year.
This season it must show the type of competitiveness in every game
to expect the winning seasons will begin in year 5
I know history. Season ticket holder before his first tenure. He needs to produce now. Need wins and competitive games to increase the recruiting momentum going forward.
Cheering for him and the team this year. No more excuses.
We could have went bowling in year 3 but we had a bad loss at UCONN (Tres Moses fumble game).
124 you have just provided the best comeback to my wait for better results
this time because Greg's first go-around started showing results in his 4th year.
So comparing G2's 3rd year with G1's third , this time he didn't do as well .
But I can defend my stance a little with G1 being 5-7 that year regressing to 4-8 in fourth year and then becoming a winning program 7-5 his 5th
G2 started 3-9, improved to 5-7 ( bowl year) regressed in 3rd year to 4-8 .
So there's hope that this year might follow the same pattern.
But it must be competitive every game , in order to give hope for a future
that has RU a constant winner in which minor bowl apperances won't be acceptable ( to it's fanbase) after a few years of Rutgers going to them every year.
As for a coaching change, I feel that Hobbs will keep Gregg even if he has a losing record this year, but if a losing one in 2024, 2025 will see a new HC .
Greg's salary is not that high as to be a big deterrent to replace him, but high enough to wait till 3 years ( $12 mil) are left to buy his contract out.
This is all fine and nice, but careful analysis of the schedule reveals that there are 6 realistic opportunities for victory. Maryland with Taulia isn’t among them. Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Iowa and Wisconsin probably aren’t going to happen, based on past results.
Of the winnable, Michigan State, Northwestern, Virginia Tech, and Indiana are by no means guaranteed. Even Temple played us tough. So Wagner is really the only guaranteed win. We have to be perfect in our winnable games just to get to .500. If you really know our history, then you know that that probably isn’t going to happen, though we will be rooting for it.
It’s probably not possible to be competitive every game because we don’t have enough talent. Competitive most games is more realistic.
Actually, the last two years are at 50% so three years left would mean 8-9M. That is in the vicinity of what it took to fire Ash which we did and with less B10 resources.
I’ll stick with precedent on the landscape where I’ve not seen any P5 coach, probably G5 as well, go 5 straight years without at least 6 wins making it to a 6th year. There have only been 3-4 who went 4 straight years without 6 wins making it to a 5th. I think KC’s 3 year contract increases the likelihood of 2 more years to see, unless this season was a 1-2 win season.
We are waisting miillions now going 12-22 with 5 conference wins in 3 years.
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The answer to RU's QB problems is always in high school, on the bench, or "not ready". Then they play and aren't the answer anymore.
Nothing is being wasted. We are improving the talent level and building quality depth, which takes time when you’re building with mostly 2 and 3 ⭐️ players. We are also designing a football Fieldhouse, which is needed to elevate our recruiting. We have also diversified our recruiting, landing quality players from Florida, the Midwest, and North Carolina.
Once we have enough Big Ten players across the board and quality depth, the conference wins will come.
The fundamentals have been non existent on offense in this program since Friedgen left.
Ryan Hart was the answer. Mike Teel was the answer. Tom Savage was the answer. Gary Nova was the answer. Artur would have been the answer had he been surrounded with an adequate supporting cast.
Need OL and TEs who can block, and WRs who can catch. The OL of tomorrow is already on the roster, developing. Land Duff and Brown, and our talent issues at WR are fixed. Still need to recruit TE1, though Bowman should be able to fill the role this year.