We haven’t had enough talent since Friedgen left. Two more years and we’ll have all the talent we need to be successful.
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We haven’t had enough talent since Friedgen left. Two more years and we’ll have all the talent we need to be successful.
I agree, those things will help but with Greg running the ship I dont see us gainning that much ground. We are improving while everyone else is sitting on their laurels? Its not realistic to rely on other teams to get worse.
So the talent is better and the depth is better but the next 2 years don’t matter…. You make no sense Al. You also skirted around the fact that Schiano left us high and dry the first time, because god forbid you say a bad word about your husband…
I’m sorry to tell you but this charade to get people to ease up on the schiano hot seat is not going anywhere. His seat is hot right now, Northwestern is all but essential for him, we lose that and it becomes scolding, if things go a certain way Kirk C is our interim HC by week 8, that will be a glorious day, because then finally, Rutgers can start to build a winner
I don’t even know what you are trying to say in that word soup of a post. Al I have been going to Rutgers games longer than you knew what a Rutgers was. So I know history. AlSo I am not asking for guarantees. I am looking for improvement (coaching and play),competitiveness and dare I say wins or are we 2 years away from that? Yes I will be in my seats rooting!
I’m saying we will see improvement and competitiveness. Not sure we will see enough wins given the difficulty of the schedule.
That makes no sense. Chris Ash got 4+ years. Schiano will get more time because things are trending positively, though the wins might not be there.
The talent is better and the depth is better from where we were three years ago. We still don’t have enough talent and depth to win most of our games in the Big Ten East. I laid out for kupuna the winnable and un winnable games on our schedule. His seat is stone cold because everyone who matters has an appreciation for the difficulty of the task at hand. Kirk C and Flaherty got 3 year contracts because they’ll have 3 years to make it happen.
We are bringing in a monster ‘24 class that will put us over the top. Things are headed in the right direction. Schiano has earned the goodwill to see things through.
Why, how dare you! The coach can't be expected to score against Maryland or Minnesota until he has as much money as Ohio State! Now, hand over your life savings.
Al,
Chris ash got 3.5 years because halfway through year 4 we could all see this was going no where. Kinda like if we lose to northwestern week 1.
Our #1 top ranked committed recruit in the 2024 class is the 475th ranked HS player in the country. Your new boy crush Surace is the 688th ranked player in the country, you genuinely have the worlds LOWEST expectations if you consider that a ‘Monster Class’. There is not a single 4* player in our class for now the second year in a row playing in a division with OSU, PSU, and Mich. but I thought ‘no one recruits like Greg?’
Al, how can you expect anyone to respect your opinion when #1 you contradict yourself on a daily basis, and #2 you are completely unwilling to hold any accountability to our coach whatsoever! It’s one thing to support schiano, it’s another thing entirely to live under the delusion that he does nothing wrong and “No other coach can succeed at Rutgers” which are YOUR WORDS.
Genuinely do you scream out ‘GREG!’ When you climax?
This is a case study in programs that invested in their capital infrastructure vs a program that didn’t (ours)
Maryland and Minnesota sunk hundreds of millions of dollars to make their programs more appealing than Rutgers.
In addition to state of the art football facilities, Minnesota also plays in a relatively brand new football stadium.
Maryland built the best football facility money can buy. As long as Taulia Tagovailoa plays for Maryland, it’s going to be difficult for us to beat them.
We need that Football Fieldhouse built ASAP.
Only Greg has the secret sauce and institutional knowledge to succeed at Rutgers. Most importantly, he has the right strategy.
No one can do as good a job recruiting to Rutgers as Greg. We still have 4* possibilities despite our situation.
Players play, not rankings. Surace plays 2 miles from my mothers house, and the kid is the real deal. I don’t care what his ranking is.
We are going to get it done but it will take time. For the next two years, the team might be consistently inconsistent. It won’t not surprise me if we beat Northwestern, than lost to Temple. In 2004, we lost to New Hampshire. Bad losses are part of the drill. But right now this program needs stability more than anything else.
So basically when Greg retires RU has no other coach it can hire...lol. You're stupidity knows no bounds while you're in spin mode.
It's pointless to argue with him. He's going to believe what he believes. Only time will tell who's right. But what's beyond arguing at this point is that the team has looked horrible and has shown little reason for fans to believe it will improve significantly.
This idea that "only one man can save us..." has precedent in the political realm, in the US and elsewhere. It tends not to end well. What baffles me is where that kind of cult of personality comes from. People become mindless and no amount of obvious evidence will change their minds.
The class is solid but its not a monster class. We have the 3rd lowest star avg per recruit in the Big10. Just in front of Indiana and Northwestern.
this is something I can agree with.
Many say stars don't count, but the better program are full of 4 and 5 stars and the real good ones you can count on seeing a lot of 4 stars
Clueless.
You don’t understand Rutgers history and you don’t understand Greg’s value to the program. No one else could have done what Greg did, and no one else could do a better job than what Greg is doing today.
Every other person besides Coach Burns that was hired after 1980, was fired within 5 years. Greg last 11 years during Greg I. He is going to get the job done now, because he knows what needs to be done and is doing it. No one understands this better than Hobbs.
The ray rice class was filled with impact 3 stars and so is this one. That’s what makes this a monster class.
I'm not the one who cluelessly stated that only Greg can win at RU. Plenty of coaches can win at RU but the administration wasn't committed to running a top notch program.
It's duly noted that you have no response for what happens when Greg retires. If he's the only one that can win here then the program is doomed once he's done. No amount of spin will change what you said.
In all my life I never thought someone would replace Baghdad Bob, but you've succeeded.
Al I feel there were good ones out there that might have been able to get the job done faster, but with what Rutgers was willing to offer to pay them and assistants , the support they would get from the AD to upgrade the program to their satisfaction and not having a fanbase known for it's generosity compared to otherP-5 programs that build constant winners , the list of qualified candidates that have proved themselves builders was reduced to 1 and he had to fight tooth and nail to get part of what he wanted and the only reason Hobbs gave in was because many in the RU fanbase demanded he hire Schiano.
The detractors will claim different, but there wasn't another violable candidate for the job.
Some expressed interest, but in the end Hobbs didn't seem to want to pay the full price it took to get them, so there wasn't an official interview.
Greg proved he could do it before, that's why he was hired and has many if the RU fanbase believing he can build a winning program this time as well
You mention known contributors in college with players that haven’t played their senior year in HS yet. Doesn’t make sense Al. Predictions aren’t facts.
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I’m going to try to answer this. Outside of still not having enough depth to manage injuries to critical players as the seasons progress, it’s hard to tell where the OL is really at. We went toe to toe with Michigan two years ago - Sutton and someone else get hurt and that’s it. Just remember that. You can’t blame the OL for how Wimsatt looked vs. Wagner. Evan looked like a stud there. Schiano didn’t give the passing game a chance vs. Temple. He went in with a game plan to keep the ball on the floor because Evan was his preseason plan C. When Gleeson let Evan throw the next game against Iowa, the line wasn’t really the problem. He’s just not reliable because again - the plan was for Wimsatt to be the guy and if not we had a reliable veteran guy in Noah ready to step in. Noah got hurt. Wimsatt wasn’t ready. And then Wimsatt got hurt too. So I’m not sure about those other positions. I do believe with a healthy Noah we would’ve had more options and the offense would’ve looked more like the Covid year with some additional depth.
That’s true too. But once we saw how bad the QB play was, the ball should’ve been kept on the ground more.
But that’s just it.
The problem in the Iowa game wasn’t that the QB was that bad, it’s when it was it was disastrous.
Guys weren’t hanging off of our QB that game. Some of the mistakes were just executional ones…good play call, most people were in the right spot (OL, WR, TE) but a poor decision was made.
The numbers in that game are deceiving. The mistakes were made early in the game, and our offensive yardage was put up when Iowa was padding the big lead they built off our turnovers.
Evan’s just not that good. As I said - he was plan C and in fairness, not awful for a 3rd string option. Not too many teams have someone better to plug in when their first 2 planned options go down.
Again - it might be on the coaching that Wimsatt hasn’t lived up to the scouting potential yet. Or maybe he’s just going to turn out to be another Rettig. It’s impossible to know that at this point. NIL changed everything though about roster management strategy. The best option Schiano had for this year for legit QB depth was to try to get Noah a 6th year (injury red shirt). Maybe he did explore it. Who knows? Anyone decent who we could’ve brought in from the portal would expect to start and then you risk Wimsatt transferring which would’ve been a disaster look for us. Bring a prize recruit in as a senior HS barely even gets a shot. We needed to give him a chance to fail. For better or worse we couldn’t recruit over Wimsatt yet. For this year we were stuck.
Recruit over? I'm sorry but the QB room is way too thin. There needed to be at least one QB transfer added to the room. At this level QB's want competition. Wisconsin brought in 3 transfers and a stud Freshmen recruit. They are all going there to compete and start. The risk was not adding competition, not risking Wimsatt's transfer.
No one else has succeeded at Rutgers to the extent that Greg has, in the modern Rutgers Football era, and that’s fact. Your misguided notion that another coach could come in here and do a better job betrays your cluelessness because you don’t understand the scope of effort that is required to succeed here. Greg does what is needed and beyond. And he has the cultural awareness and right strategy to win. Now all he needs is the time to make it happen.
Rutgers isn’t a football program attached to a school. It is a University that has a football program. It is harder to achieve success here because we do things by the book. The first priority for each player is to succeed in the classroom. Next a football player has to maximize his time to ensure that he becomes the best player he can be. Greg excels at both of these because he is able to push players beyond their limits, whereas human nature is to slack. And he’s hired the personnel to help him with this important task, most notably Jay Butler.
This is not an easy job because you have to work harder to achieve less results. Recruiting is a prime example of this because it is difficult for us to land our first or second choices in recruiting. Greg has gotten recruiting down to a science, putting out 180 offers to fill the class.
No one willing to take the job, could do as good a job as Greg. Obviously Urban Meyer and Nick Saban could succeed here, but they aren’t touching the job.
Once the program is built, and we’re winning, then anyone can win, as long as we make the right hire. That means a football Fieldhouse is in place, which is the last piece of our puzzle. Lack of such has hampered our recruiting, and puts us at a competitive disadvantage vs other programs.
I think Mario Cristobal, Jeff Hafley and Fran Brown have the characteristics of coaches who could succeed here, once the program is built, because they are excellent recruiters. All three previously coached here and landed serious talent. And that’s what this job needs first and foremost.
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This is playing the results. Those impact 3 stars became good players. There was no guarantee that they were going to be the players they became. Just like there's no guarantee that the players in this class will be good. We've seen more than a few highly touted players not pan out at RU.
LOL, if you think Greg is the only that can build a program you’re blind to other programs that have come along since 2000.
We all want Greg to succeed but only you have this bizarre fantasy that he’s the only one who can do the job.
This thread is over 10 pages and basically no one agrees with this thread. Take the L already. We know you won’t because you only you know anything about football and we must be educated.
Have you seen the caliber of transfers we’re able to land? We went after Jack Coan last year, and he went elsewhere. The troubles on offense make it difficult to land a high quality transfer.
Vedral was the best of the lot, and he wasn’t that good. We’re all in on Wimsatt for this year, and if he doesn’t make it happen, then Surace will make it happen next year. No more bandaids at the QB position.
You’re blind as to what it takes to succeed at Rutgers because you don’t understand the history. What works for other programs wouldn’t necessarily work at Rutgers. Rutgers isn’t like other programs. We’re special.
There are no guarantees at anything in life. Attrition comes with the territory.
But Greg is especially skilled at identifying 3 ⭐️ impact players. We can reasonably project that roughly 50% of the class will become contributors and 50% will wash out for whatever reason.
That’s just not where we are at man. The recruit we brought in left high school a year early. He was viewed to be “that good”. He would’ve left if we recruited over him. And we weren’t getting anyone who could help to agree to come as a back up. Do you honestly think the sentiment would’ve been better if we brought in a transfer and GW left? Any transfer we would’ve landed would’ve come with question marks too. It still would be better for the program if GW took big strides this season.
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No one is expecting miracles, but GW has to make it happen this year. We’ve got additional players to help him. Probably the best team we’ve had in the last 8 years.
You're wrong. Been here since Shea, so I understand the history. If you believe that there is one human being on this earth who is capable of "winning" here, you're a fool. Schiavo has never won a thing and you act as though he were sent here by God himself.You’re blind as to what it takes to succeed at Rutgers because you don’t understand the history. What works for other programs wouldn’t necessarily work at Rutgers. Rutgers isn’t like other programs. We’re special.
Al now you are somewhat seeing the light. The issue is not want or need of an influx of talent on the Offensive side of the ball. It's that no one wants to play this style of football.
I am hoping this was not a case of the staff was afraid to recruit a viable candidate because the recruiting over fallacy. And more a case that no one was interested.
There are other people capable of winning here, they just wouldn’t want the job. Like Urban Meyer.
Schiano helped Butch Davis build a team which ultimately won the National Championship. Miami won it in 2001. Schiano. Left Miami in 2000 to come coach at Rutgers. Schiano won a Cotton Bowl
And Rose Bowl while at Ohio State.
Not far fetched to believe that Rutgers would have played in a BCS Bowl, had Schiano not left in 2012. We’re trying to build back to those lofty heights, but it will take time.
He’s done it before, he’ll do it again. No one else we could hire has as strong a resume as Schiano.
That is exactly where we are at MAN. And the reason we are there is either:
1) the staff is afraid to over recruit and hurt a kids feelings (paraphrasing) and risk transfer
2) No one is attracted to this style of play
I hope it is the latter because that can be improved. The former will be the death nell of the program.