The NObama admin, the Clintons, and Donald Trump Jr.,

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all knew about the possibility of the Russians sticking their noses into last year's election, but, for some reason the only person the Left cares about is Donald Trump Jr. Guess there's a lot to be said for sour grapes.
 

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all knew about the possibility of the Russians sticking their noses into last year's election, but, for some reason the only person the Left cares about is Donald Trump Jr. Guess there's a lot to be said for sour grapes.
Don't worry, I'm sure that everything will be ok.
 

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Does it bother you that the Clinton gang gave over one million dollars to the Russians to help write that dossier?
Does it bother you that so many Trump administration folks saw fit to lie about their Russian contacts? Ya look like a buffoon bringing up the Clintons and Obama, they on vacation. I think they were pretty well investigated too.
 

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all knew about the possibility of the Russians sticking their noses into last year's election, but, for some reason the only person the Left cares about is Donald Trump Jr. Guess there's a lot to be said for sour grapes.
Odd that President Trump is the only one who didn't know. Very odd.
 

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Does it bother you that the Clinton gang gave over one million dollars to the Russians to help write that dossier?
Thanks for wondering about what I'm thinking and feeling but I'm not sure what that has to do with the lying Trump family.
 

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Does it bother you that so many Trump administration folks saw fit to lie about their Russian contacts? Ya look like a buffoon bringing up the Clintons and Obama, they on vacation. I think they were pretty well investigated too.

Nope, they just took a page out of the Clinton and Obama playbook - if someone doesn't know something about you or your activities then don't volunteer it.
 

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Gotta love plausible deniability
Except there's nothing plausible about Trump's denials. Donald, Donald Junior, Manafort, Flynn ... and the beat goes on. Classic sTrumpette misdirection, when caught with your hand in the cookie jar yell "Look what the dog did!"
 

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all knew about the possibility of the Russians sticking their noses into last year's election, but, for some reason the only person the Left cares about is Donald Trump Jr. Guess there's a lot to be said for sour grapes.

Wait. So the right gets to spend 8 years railing on Obama and Clinton at every turn but now that Trump is being scrutinized it's sour grapes? That is a pretty special lens you see out of it.
 

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Except there's nothing plausible about Trump's denials. Donald, Donald Junior, Manafort, Flynn ... and the beat goes on. Classic sTrumpette misdirection, when caught with your hand in the cookie jar yell "Look what the dog did!"

Right, I mean it's not like Trump jailed an innocent film maker or blamed these hacks in an internet video.
 

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Wait. So the right gets to spend 8 years railing on Obama and Clinton at every turn but now that Trump is being scrutinized it's sour grapes? That is a pretty special lens you see out of it.

And eight years of not carrying what the former President did or thought and all of a sudden let's put him under a microscope! I say keep the same Obama standard in place.
 

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What's absolutely crazy here is that if evidence (undeniable evidence) of collusion is found...loyalists will still support the Trump Empire.....and call it patriotism
 

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What's absolutely crazy here is that if evidence (undeniable evidence) of collusion is found...loyalists will still support the Trump Empire.....and call it patriotism

Or what's really crazy is after months of digging into Trump's affairs, still not one solid shred of evidence links the Trump campaign to the Russians. However, there is mounting evidence that the Clinton Camp and the Idiiot's admin worked together to suppress information.
 

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What's absolutely crazy here is that if evidence (undeniable evidence) of collusion is found...loyalists will still support the Trump Empire.....and call it patriotism
Don't think that's going to happen, I believe Obama told them to "cut it out".
 

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Or what's really crazy is after months of digging into Trump's affairs, still not one solid shred of evidence links the Trump campaign to the Russians. However, there is mounting evidence that the Clinton Camp and the Idiiot's admin worked together to suppress information.
Is that you doing the digging? I'm just waiting for Mueller's findings, before I pass judgement. The Daily Caller, Breitbart, and Angry Patriot can continue to do your investigative work for you.....all while you and Trump scream about bias and fake news.
 

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I think you misspelled MSNBC
Not sure what it is you're saying here....Is it that Mueller is compromised too? I don't watch news on tv, I read articles from the Guardian, CNN, FOX, WSJ, Forbes, USA Today, BBC, NPR, Reuters, Chicago Tribune, National Geographic, and Time daily. So......
 

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And eight years of not carrying what the former President did or thought and all of a sudden let's put him under a microscope! I say keep the same Obama standard in place.

You may not like Obama's policies or just him for whatever reason but to compare their morals or ethics is absurd. If people want to be taken seriously they can't have it both ways. Admit you like Trump's platform but that he is a dirtbag on a ethical/moral level and then we can start to have a honest debate over policy. You cant be taken serioisly otherwise.
 

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Admit you like Trump's platform but that he is a dirtbag on a ethical/moral level and then we can start to have a honest debate over policy. You cant be taken serioisly otherwise.

In other words "we can talk just as long as the discussion is on your terms" yeah..no...
 

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Not sure what it is you're saying here....Is it that Mueller is compromised too? I don't watch news on tv, I read articles from the Guardian, CNN, FOX, WSJ, Forbes, USA Today, BBC, NPR, Reuters, Chicago Tribune, National Geographic, and Time daily. So......

Find me one person that absorbs the news that hasn't been influenced by the media coverage.
 

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Does it bother you that so many Trump administration folks saw fit to lie about their Russian contacts? Ya look like a buffoon bringing up the Clintons and Obama, they on vacation. I think they were pretty well investigated too.

Nope.
 

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Find me one person that absorbs the news that hasn't been influenced by the media coverage.
Doesn't mean you throw it all out, or just join a team....reading counter balances is important. Find a subject, read competing views, use critical thinking. Still difficult to keep personal biases out of your perspective, but at least if you challenge yourself....your perspective moves toward legitimacy.
 

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Doesn't mean you throw it all out, or just join a team....reading counter balances is important. Find a subject, read competing views, use critical thinking. Still difficult to keep personal biases out of your perspective, but at least if you challenge yourself....your perspective moves toward legitimacy.

I think you're making assumptions that you should not be making. There is no 'smoking gun' to be found, but, there are a lot of dots and if you're willing to go down the conspiracy theory path, you could connect them and come up with an assumption. And the problem is that in today's environment, that assumption seems to be treated as fact instead of an assumption that's based on a theory of connecting the dots.
 

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I think you're making assumptions that you should not be making. There is no 'smoking gun' to be found, but, there are a lot of dots and if you're willing to go down the conspiracy theory path, you could connect them and come up with an assumption. And the problem is that in today's environment, that assumption seems to be treated as fact instead of an assumption that's based on a theory of connecting the dots.
Personally, I was glad Mueller was appointed...and once I heard Gingrich give his endorsement of Mueller's integrity, I felt he was the right man chosen because the right couldn't deny the findings. I am (esp at this point) very concerned about the fact that so many of Trump's campaign apparatus are lying....I mean forgetting....about their meetings with Russian officials. But I don't trust Teump or Putin, and my opinion is biased. Hence the waiting for Mueller's findings. I've long said that I don't think there will be any evidence left behind, even if something did occur, but if Trump is cleared by Mueller....the issue is dropped for me.

Smoking gun? No. I don't think there will be either.....although I'm not sure now, seeing how ridiculous some on Trump's apparatus are handling this thing. Manafort? Yikes!

I personally find it just perplexing that so many people wanting to rid D.C. of corruption and return the government to the people are seemingly convinced this billionaire rich kid is their champion. And they are convinced of his innocience, simply out of their rage against Hillary Clinton and Barrack Obama.
 

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Personally, I was glad Mueller was appointed...and once I heard Gingrich give his endorsement of Mueller's integrity, I felt he was the right man chosen because the right couldn't deny the findings. I am (esp at this point) very concerned about the fact that so many of Trump's campaign apparatus are lying....I mean forgetting....about their meetings with Russian officials. But I don't trust Teump or Putin, and my opinion is biased. Hence the waiting for Mueller's findings. I've long said that I don't think there will be any evidence left behind, even if something did occur, but if Trump is cleared by Mueller....the issue is dropped for me.

Smoking gun? No. I don't think there will be either.....although I'm not sure now, seeing how ridiculous some on Trump's apparatus are handling this thing. Manafort? Yikes!

I personally find it just perplexing that so many people wanting to rid D.C. of corruption and return the government to the people are seemingly convinced this billionaire rich kid is their champion. And they are convinced of his innocience, simply out of their rage against Hillary Clinton and Barrack Obama.
Of course it didn't take long for Gingrich to flip flop on his endorsement of Mueller, which opens the door for yet another conspiracy theory of absolute Democratic control of government (even though the GOP controls Congress and the WH).
 

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all knew about the possibility of the Russians sticking their noses into last year's election, but, for some reason the only person the Left cares about is Donald Trump Jr. Guess there's a lot to be said for sour grapes.

And our current president was using phrases like "rigged election" back in October 2016........although still yet, there is no proof of the "widespread voter fraud" that he claims. His witch hunt for that is the same as what you claim on the Russia situation.
 

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And our current president was using phrases like "rigged election" back in October 2016........although still yet, there is no proof of the "widespread voter fraud" that he claims. His witch hunt for that is the same as what you claim on the Russia situation.

Ask a Bernie Sander supporter about the 'rigged system' and let me know what they say.
 

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Ask a Bernie Sander supporter about the 'rigged system' and let me know what they say.
Once again the argument goes sideways...that's NOT what Trump was saying. He was talking about actual votes being changed, he was, and any attempt to change that fact is just wrong. The DNC should be ashamed of their actions towards Sanders, and people's he'd should roll over it.....oh wait, that happened already didn't it?
 

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Ask a Bernie Sander supporter about the 'rigged system' and let me know what they say.
‘Rigged election’
“The election is absolutely being rigged by the dishonest and distorted media pushing Crooked Hillary – but also at many polling places – SAD.” 16 October, Twitter

“Of course there is large scale voter fraud happening on and before election day. Why do Republican leaders deny what is going on? So naive!” 17 October, Twitter

“So many cities are corrupt and voter fraud is very, very common.” 17 October, Green Bay, Wisconsin
 

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I personally find it just perplexing that so many people wanting to rid D.C. of corruption and return the government to the people are seemingly convinced this billionaire rich kid is their champion. And they are convinced of his innocience, simply out of their rage against Hillary Clinton and Barrack Obama.

Do not agree with your assessment. The rage you speak of is easy enough to define. Over the past eight years, we've watched America take a back seat to other nations, a President who put American interests second to those of the globalists, a nation that refused to do anything about the illegal immigration that is killing our wage growth, a nation that has gone nuts with political correctness ( i mean we now have to refer to rpj as 'z'), and a leader who refused to address the elephant in the room (that radical islam is dangerous). It's safe to say, Trump's agenda is the opposite of NObama's.
 

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‘Rigged election’
“The election is absolutely being rigged by the dishonest and distorted media pushing Crooked Hillary – but also at many polling places – SAD.” 16 October, Twitter

“Of course there is large scale voter fraud happening on and before election day. Why do Republican leaders deny what is going on? So naive!” 17 October, Twitter

“So many cities are corrupt and voter fraud is very, very common.” 17 October, Green Bay, Wisconsin


again, ask a bernie sanders supporter what they think and get back to me
 

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Ask a Bernie Sander supporter about the 'rigged system' and let me know what they say.

I didn't mention Bernie, I mentioned Trump and HIS comments.........hypocritical to have Trump supporters blasting about this Russia thing after what he said about voter fraud.
 

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I didn't mention Bernie, I mentioned Trump and HIS comments.........hypocritical to have Trump supporters blasting about this Russia thing after what he said about voter fraud.

Yes, I am well aware you didn't mention Bernie, but, I did and I'm willing to wager that most of Bernie's supports would agree with Trump that the system is rigged.
 

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Do not agree with your assessment. The rage you speak of is easy enough to define. Over the past eight years, we've watched America take a back seat to other nations, a President who put American interests second to those of the globalists, a nation that refused to do anything about the illegal immigration that is killing our wage growth, a nation that has gone nuts with political correctness ( i mean we now have to refer to rpj as 'z'), and a leader who refused to address the elephant in the room (that radical islam is dangerous). It's safe to say, Trump's agenda is the opposite of NObama's.
If it was possible to discuss issues as Americans again, and not as members of one political team or the other, understanding other perspectives would be easier, imo. Obama had a desire to change a force-first policy that we witnessed under Bush into a diplomatic policy that sought to establish the US as a global member of a team, rather than the global leader. I personally like this approach, as the other approach hasn't had the success we seem to think it has ($700b+ defense budget, and we still need more to feel safe). Not agreeing with this approach isn't wrong, it isn't unAmerican, imo, it's just a different approach. We will see if the difference takes effect once again (it hasn't in the past btw).

Radical Islamic terrorism was an attempt by Obama to eliminate the religious connotation of the term in order to help prevent discrimination and hatred on the basis of religious background in the US. No one calls the KKK radical Christians do they? It lessens the religious ideology and insults the many that practice the religion without hate. It's not just PC ridiculousness (which I agree has gotten out of control in many instances). But there again, to me the more concerning thing is that so many RAGE against PC. Why do we not want to understand what offends others and prevent ourselves from doing so? Why is being able to offend MORE important for so many? Again, I'm not calling it wrong, I just do not understand the passionate desire to shout down a desire to end offensive and insensitive talk. Is it just Johnny badasses believing that sensitivity is only for women preschool teachers?

Now immigration is an issue that needs addressed. For many reasons, imo. I'm sure speaking about it, you are well informed about the life of an illegal immigrant. You speak of wage growth being stagnant due to illegal immigration, and that very well might be the case. I however, believe that the jobs illegal immigrants do, will not be done by Americans. I believe most of these jobs will either have to pay substantially more (hospitality and construction) and those costs will be deferred to the American family (not the owners of hotels and real estate), or the jobs will be done in other nations (farming and ranching) because Americans will not pay the higher prices for food and dairy, when cheaper options are sitting beside them at the market. Now, if there was a way to convince the American consumer to spend more to purchase a product because it supports American workers, then I'd be on board.....but we've seen in the past, this doesn't work. In addition, to me having seen the life of illegal immigrants up close, I want as many opportunities for them as possible. The American experience should be available to those that want it, imo. We should make it easier and more appealing for illegals to become legal. But this issue is murky for me, because unless a major change occurs, we won't really know the outcome.

And I'm for globalism. For one, fighting the tide is foolish. But I want other nations to develop, I want a better life for all. We are spoiled.
 

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Do not agree with your assessment. The rage you speak of is easy enough to define. Over the past eight years, we've watched America take a back seat to other nations, a President who put American interests second to those of the globalists, a nation that refused to do anything about the illegal immigration that is killing our wage growth, a nation that has gone nuts with political correctness ( i mean we now have to refer to rpj as 'z'), and a leader who refused to address the elephant in the room (that radical islam is dangerous). It's safe to say, Trump's agenda is the opposite of NObama's.
But issues aren't the discussion any longer, it's all about team, isn't it?
 

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Yes, I am well aware you didn't mention Bernie, but, I did and I'm willing to wager that most of Bernie's supports would agree with Trump that the system is rigged.

Trump is accusing "widespread voter fraud" at the polls, not the DNC situation involving Hillary and Bernie......two different situations and you know it. You are deflecting big time. Trump has made, and continues to make, accusations without absolute facts about voter fraud and registration fraud.......but you guys blast the other side for investigating Russia. Amazing.
 

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Trump is accusing "widespread voter fraud" at the polls, not the DNC situation involving Hillary and Bernie......two different situations and you know it. You are deflecting big time. Trump has made, and continues to make, accusations without absolute facts about voter fraud and registration fraud.......but you guys blast the other side for investigating Russia. Amazing.

Well I'm confused, because to hear it from the DNC, there was widespread voter fraud (those evil Russians),and now you're telling me that there wasn't voter fraud and this whole Russian thing is about nothing? So I'm a bit confused!

And again, ask a Sanders support if the system isn't rigged.