The only question that matters? Has the program improved from Year 1 to now in year 5?
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Not even a little bit. This is the most boring and uninteresting WVU football in my 49 years on earth. Its not a fluke, its not becuase Dana left the cupboard bare or the B12 refs hate us. Its because we hired a total weenie for a HC, and that's all. It wont improve until its fixed.
No. Maybe better talent on the roster but the results are what matters. I never expected to win last evening, but it was the way in which we continued to shoot our selves in the foot with playcalling. Also, Brown has to know he’s coaching for his job this year. I sense he’s still hesitant to play some kids that might help, even after the game has gotten out of hand.
Penn Star was winnable last night. They are talented, but they weren’t anymore special than Kansas State in a good year. I don’t think they were better than Oklahoma at all. This is year 5 and we’ve not won more than 6 games in any of the previous 4 seasons. While I love Garrett Greene and think he’s a very athletic and hard working kid, the fact he’s our best option at QB in year 5 is alarming. If Nicco isn’t ready, that’s understandable, but why didn’t we use the portal for a QB? Why do these kids seem to lack the tough hard nosed “smack you in the mouth” toughness? It’s like we just play very uninspired football. Just playing through the motions.
Because our coach doesnt have that, and in fact seems more anti-toughness with his demeanor than anything. The team's attutide is a reflection of the coach. We have not seen toughness from Neal's teams at all. It is a more boring, uninspired brand of football than what we are used to at WVU even under Dana. Its night and day. We play a lot like Neal sounds in his interviews, tbh. Boring...
I expect 5-7 especially because this really is Neals best OL and a lot of talent on this team overall. The B12 is down some too, imo. We are lucky to not have to play Kansas and Texas. TTU, Baylor and OSU all look to be headed for bad seasons. Houston sucks, Cinci might struggle with a new coach and Pitt should be a pretty easy out of conference win, imo. Pitt lost alot of talent to the NFL this past season. It wont be the same team we played last year. If we had a better coach this would be a 2 loss season. With Neal it will be more.
And assuming 5 or 6 wins, what gives us any optimism that we will be better next year? Eventually our offensive line will graduate and move on. Our best players will probably transfer and so will the kids who were highly recruited and not getting any opportunities. I just don’t see a scenario that Brown makes it beyond this year.
That Pitt game, for me, is a must win. If we lose, I really don’t see any reason to keep letting this Brown experiment play out.
I think those who control the situation and decide whether Brown stays or goes will finally wake up after Dana and Houston beat us this year.
I’m not about to go that far. I think Brown can and will beat Dana. If he’s still around, which I figure they’ll let him ride this year regardless.
Don Nehlen said he could always tell after 3rd game if his team could be competitive or not.
what is the metric?
if more players graduated and have moved on to enjoy their lives, then yes, it's better. Whether more have graduated, I honestly don't know.
if bowl appearances, high profile wins, WVU in the spotlight are metric..........no we haven't.
If the metric is strictly educational, then we should just hire the local area High School coaches to run the program.
College athletics began as a promotion to school spirit and unity, which allows students to take pride in and feel connected to the higher educational endeavor. They also provide one route for historically underrepresented individuals to receive an education at an affordable cost.
Now it's minor league sports with pay and should be separated from all things college related.
Yea it did. But that landmark SCOTUS in the early 1980’s ruined it and set us on this path.
I only have my day to compare but high school and college were two different experiences including the high school teachers and college professors I had to make the comparison. I am not sure my local high school coaches had what mattered to run a college level program. Pretty sure in my guess their qualifications factored into them staying in a high school and not running a college program.
Signing TV deals and paying coaches millions also set on this path. It's a race to destruction and it's close to finish.
Pat McAfee basically asked, and answered the same question....no. A coach with 4 or 5 years should be able to point to some growth in the program, and Brown cannot.
That was the ruling. It allowed schools to negotiate their own bowls and tv contracts. NBC grabbed Notre Dame early on after that ruling.
I think people fail to realize the difference between understanding a seedy underbelly exists such as paying players, operating as a professional minor league, and paying lip service to education for most athletes and openly embracing those things. This applies to all aspects of societal life including sexuality, gambling, and substance abuse. Paying lip service and putting on pressure to at least maintain the illusion that the seedy underbelly doesn't exist or is not as prevalent as it is actually helps the institution as a whole. It at least provides a bit of a brake to prevent the worst excesses from being embraced without at least weighing the countervailing issues.
That’s why ESPN directed the ACC to invite SMU. It’s no longer viewed as wrong. The culture has changed with the rules.