I think most of you have a hard time separating what Freeze and the coaches try and teach them on a daily basis and what a kid does. Freeze and his staff have always said that they teach these kids certain values and preach on that day in and day out. None of them have said that all of their players will be choir boys and never get in trouble. In the end they're dealing with 18-22 year old college athletes who have been told and believe they are essentially invincible. When coaches try to instill certain values in players, most will act within reason. Some will get in trouble. It's silly for people to say that, because he says he wants his program and players one way and some get in trouble, that he's nothing but a snakeskin liar and fake Christian. It's like someone saying that the evangelists on Bourbon aren't real Christians because they can't stop every person from sinning.