the QB graveyard picks up another transfer

Interpol

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Try this then: would you rather have gotten Newton no matter what it took and risk someone else blowing the whistle, or do you think MSU handled the recruitment of Cam Newton exactly how it should have?

Also, did Mullen put too much stock in landing Newton?</p>
 

RebelBruiser

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JohnDawg said:
1. No one would have beaten Cameron Newton out of the Heisman this year. Wouldn't have mattered if Masoli stayed at Oregon or not. Newton was just too good this year.

2. Snead had all the intangibles for an NFL QB, according to Kiper and McShay. However, he lackedtesticular fortitude, which is needed to be an NFL QB.</p>


That was clear about Snead his final year. When you can SEE a QB that's seeing ghosts and watching the pass rush not looking downfield, it's bad. Snead had the physical tools. Mentally he didn't have it. You have to be able to stand in the pocket knowing you're going to take a hit and still make a throw. He didn't have that. It was that and his natural ability to feel pressure, which I think was related to his fear of getting hit. You have to be able to feel pressure without looking for it, and part of that is not fearing hits.
 

RebelBruiser

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but you're making the wrong argument.

Masoli's chances at being in the Heisman race had nothing to do with his head coach. It had everything to do with his TEAM.

As I said, the 4 Heisman finalists played on teams that combined for 2 losses between the 4 teams. You could've thrown any of those 4 finalists on our team, give them Nick Saban as a coach, and with our ****-*** defense none of them would've been in New York.

On occasion a player who plays on a team that loses 3 or 4 games has a shot at being a finalist or maybe winning the award, but only if he puts up freak numbers (Tim Tebow) or puts up some freak highlights (Larry Fitzgerald), but outside of that, you have virtually no shot at the ceremony if your team loses more than a couple games.

9 of the last 11 Heisman winners played for teams that were in the national title game. That's almost a prerequisite for Heisman contention. The only two that weren't in the title game were Carson Palmer in 2002 and Tim Tebow in 2007. Tebow's team lost 3 regular season games, but he put up numbers you hadn't seen before. On top of that, neither LSU nor Ohio State had a great QB or tailback that put up great numbers. Palmer's team was in the Rose Bowl that year. Ohio State and Miami were in the title game. Miami had two finalists (McGahee and Dorsey) that split that region's vote. Ohio State's best offense player was a true freshman (Clarett), and that opened the door for a player outside the title game to win.
 

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I, for one, think we did the right thing by not bringing in Newton. Weigh the odds. We probably would have been investigated and vacated everything. So which would you take: a legit 8-4 season or a 14-0 season that will be heckled by every sports authority and rival fan for the next 50 years after it's vacated by the NCAA...
 

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in denial, shock, or some other form of extreme emotional ****. are you morons (mainly jxn reb and interpool) really implying that NOT signing a high school qb who starts at your school is good program building? are you 17ing kidding. hopeing and praying for a transfer every year WILL NOT work forever. to think it will is ludacris. see how many transfers will be beating down the door after 2 consecutive losing seasons.</p>