Black people and women vote in African countries, and they have no problem with voter ID.
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How can you prove there is no large scale voter fraud if there is no voter id?
Not addressed to me, but i personally see it as prevention of potential future shennanigans.
Like locking your front door. You don't know that someone is planning on coming in and stealing stuff when you leave to go out to dinner, but you lock your door anyway to hopefully prevent your house from being an easy target
The thing is, there is actual proof of voter fraud. They sit there and say there is no voter fraud, and then you show them voter fraud. They don't care. They simply just want to be able to cheat.
We only know about a fraction of what is caught, unless you think you are catching all of it. That is extremely naive to think you are catching 100% of voter fraud.
Oh look, another example. One of those 35 examples paw pride talked about. But one of those 35 involved hundreds of ballots.
It's very disingenuous to say there is no proven voter fraud. And before you say "that's only 2 examples" AI has several more stacked waiting on me to refute your incoming posts.
Some more voter fraud. In possessions of multiple ballots, possibly with the intent to influence an election.
Bridgeport, Connecticut (2019 Democratic mayoral primary): In 2024, four campaign workers (Alfredo Castillo, Wanda Geter-Pataky, Nilsa Heredia, and Josephine Edmonds) were charged with unlawful possession of absentee ballots and related election violations tied to misuse and potential stuffing/manipulation of absentee ballots. (Note: Related to a later 2023–2024 mayoral primary where a judge ordered a redo due to evidence of ballot stuffing.)
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Because there will ALWAYS be outliers and people trying to cheat. It is a non-issue right now. You're trying to implement barriers to a constitutional right to solve a problem that doesn't exist. Hell, Trump's own commission led by Kris Kobach had to be disbanded because they couldn't find any instances of fraud occurring.
The bolded is fearmongering with no evidence to support the claim.
There will always be outliers ........ hmmmmm. Sounds like a good reason for Voter ID, right? We can go back and see what the outliers were? In trading, where the data is much more vast than election, there are laws requiring that each trade be traced so they can go back and investigate the black swan events. Like the flash crash in may ~2018?
It's a "non issue" just trust us bro. No thanks. All the lies about Russian Collusion etc broke the trust. We are on to trust but verify.
You have to show an ID to do anything, even constitutionally protected things like buy a gun.
There is no logical excuse to not require ID. Unless you want to cheat.
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This is shady as hell, especially considering the high error rate of the SAVE database and the incompetence of THIS administration. A rogue administration that sees the law as a nuisance and would willingly disenfranchise voters it doesn't like.
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No, ID is not generally required to vote in California.According to the official California Secretary of State website and state law, in most cases, voters do not need to show identification when voting at a polling place or by mail.There is one main exception (stemming from federal Help America Vote Act requirements):
- If you are voting for the first time in a federal election (e.g., president, Congress),
- and you registered by mail or online,
- and you did not provide your California driver's license/ID number or the last four digits of your Social Security number on your registration form,
The rub is, are the outliers enough to warrant fundamentally changing a constitutional right? I, and many others, think no it is not worth it. I think we should be making voting easier, instead of harder.
Because there are safeguards in place to prevent voter fraud from occurring. It's why every single commission to find voter fraud, both Republican led and Democrat led, has come back with no significant findings.
ID is required to exercise your second amendment rights. The constitutional argument does not hold water.
Are the outliers enough to warrant checking ID? Absolutely yes. How do you know if the outliers are outliers if you don't have clean data? How do they have ANY significant findings if they don't have the data?
We are the most powerful nation in the world, even in the history of the Earth. We are a democratic republic. Secure voting should be a feature, not a request. There should be exactly 0 instances of voter fraud. That should be the goal.
We don't want "just a little bit of cheating", we don't want a lot of cheating. We want honest, fair, elections.
Democrats wanted vaccines passports to enter a grocery store. Showing an ID to vote is not too much to ask
You anti-vaxxers are the worst spreaders of misinformation this country has ever seen. It's pathetic how scary that little shot was for you political, anti public health morons.
- Private Business Policies: Many private businesses, including some grocery chains, voluntarily implemented their own vaccine requirements for employees or patrons to ensure safety, particularly during surges of the Delta variant in 2021. Legal experts generally noted that private businesses were within their rights to require proof of vaccination for entry, similar to "no shirt, no shoes, no service" rules.
- Local Government Mandates: In specific, largely Democratic-led cities—such as New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, and Boston—local government public health orders required proof of vaccination for certain indoor venues. These mandates typically focused on indoor dining, gyms, and entertainment venues.
- Grocery Store Exception: In cities with these mandates, there was rarely a requirement for proof of vaccination merely to enter a standard grocery store to buy food. For example, in Chicago, the order applied to restaurants and gyms, but explicitly exempted people entering for quick, essential tasks like purchasing food.
- Federal vs. State Action: The Biden administration focused on vaccine-or-test mandates for employers with 100+ employees (OSHA), which was later blocked by the Supreme Court. Conversely, Republican-led states like Florida and Texas passed laws specifically prohibiting businesses from requiring proof of vaccination.
Vaccines for Grocery Shopping LOL
exactly the SAVE act is designed to stop eligibile voters, not stop voter fraud. its a grift, everyone knows it. Im pretty sure these magas in this thread know it, they are just perpetuating the lie to support the grift because their dear leader wants them to. Remember, to Magas loyalty is the only thing that matters. These neo liberals, yes maga thats you, want you to focus on the 50k dow.... not actually solving real problems that the government is responsible for.
big whoopidy doo dah. We should definitely emulate African countries then. SMH this is such a pathetic thread.
Except, that's not how this works. You don't presuppose there is massive voter fraud when every single study conducted disproves that claim. The onus is on you to provide details of mass voter fraud which would then warrant implementing additional voting safeguards. You don't get to just claim it's happening based on feelings/vibes, especially when every bipartisan study conducted disproves your allegations.
I've purchased weapons without showing an ID from private sellers, so no an ID is not required to exercise my 2nd amendment right.
The problem I have, is you see instances of people getting caught committing voter fraud and you say "LOOK WE NEED MORE STRICT REQUIREMENTS TO VOTE, LOOK AT THE FRAUD TAKING PLACE!" As if the current safeguards in place didn't just do their job. We have honest and fair elections. You just think we don't because you FEEL like we don't. That's a you problem.
I don't know whether we have fair elections or not. There is no data off which to make decisions.
There's plenty of data to confirm it - you just choose to ignore it. Like I said, that's a YOU problem.
the data that says "there is just a little bit of cheating"?
But there are lots and lots of statistics backing up theft of property. There is actual data showing it is an issue. You get news reports daily of actual theft, murder, etc. If there were less than 100 thefts in America in the past 20 years, I feel confident we wouldn't worry as much about locking our doors and getting security cameras, etc.
If you don't have clean data, you can't draw accurate conclusions from that data.
There have been numerous, detailed audits, including states near the border, with Republican led legislatures. No non-citizen fraud was found. There was an entire commission led by people who believed just like you that it existed. And they disbanded because they couldn't find anything. So either it is this crazy detailed conspiracy, likely requiring a lot of people, none of which have ever whistleblown or been caught. Or, you know...the most likely thing. That it is a non-existent issue.
I just gave examples of hundreds of ballots stuffed. Straight from AI, fact checked too.
I'm bewildered you are all OK with cheating, as long as it's only a little bit.
Whatevs. I don't have any control over it, so I'll just see how it plays out. The irony is, I will have to show ID either way. Probably because I am a straight white male and we have to obey the rules.
Your entertaining a logical fallacy here. Its called begging the question.
Begging the question is a logical fallacy where an argument's premises assume the truth of the conclusion, essentially arguing in a circular manner without providing valid evidence. It often leads to confusion because it can be mistaken for simply raising a question.
You should try to understand that objectively, no one should take your argument seriously, because its not logical to do so.
I was of the belief that you can't be that dumb, but your continuing to insist that he prove a negative now has me thinking I was mistaken. YOU are the one who wants to change things and institute both an ID requirement and a proof of citizenship requirement. We can debate about how significant or slight the burden is, but it is unquestionable that requiring ID and proof of citizenship imposes a burden on the exercise of a constitutionally protected right. Therefore, YOU should be the one having to prove that there is an existing problem (i.e., large scale voter fraud) that is significant enough to impose that burden. Thus far, you have failed.
This explains so much. The Governor has no idea where his birth certificate is? Cmon Gavin.
O pleeze pig, how many times in your life have you had to show your birth certificate to anybody? It's not hard to imagine you might not remember where you put it if you haven't touched it in decades.
Isn’t that kind of the point? It’s not that tough to get an id?
Good day sir. TTYL
19 states + DC issue drivers licenses to undocumented immigrants.
12 states + DC allow you to vote with no ID
38 states require some form of ID.
Perfect case for one federal policy to ensure election integrity for the entirety of our nation.
Just went to a CPA for my taxes, had to provide photo ID, social security number and birth certificate.
“It will look a lot like if an individual wanted to go and sell their car. If you have a different name than what was on your car, there is a simple, straightforward process for that.”
Undoubtedly this will lead to less women voting, and most women vote Democrat. This is the real reason Republicans want to pass this law.
They want to silence women.
We shouldn’t have to show id to buy a gun?
You remember your statements on what the extent of fraud is when the truth comes out in an irrefutable manner.
I'm happy that they want clean accurate voter rolls.
Uniparty wants to be able to rig/steal elections as required.