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TigerGrowls said:
Can of whoop a s s on the way.

Sidney Powell - Elections Czar!!!

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BREAKING:🚨 President Trump to name Sidney Powell a DOJ Special Attorney that he is calling his "Elections Czar" to investigate and prosecute voter fraud in the 2026 midterm elections. There is no more fitting of a patriot to put in charge of ensuring that those who attempt to subvert the will of the American people and rig our elections are held accountable than the woman who EXPOSED the stolen election of 2020. Sidney Powell put her career on the line and now she has been TOTALLY VINDICATED... The radical left THUGS are shaking in their boots after hearing that Sidney Powell is about to RELEASE THE KRAKEN of justice upon them. Great move President Trump!!!
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Release the Kraken, indeed. Sidney Powell is a crook. Of the convicted variety. Wonder if her Probation Officer will be OK with her taking this job. This appointment is quintessentially Trumpian. Appoint someone convicted of election fraud to serve as "Election Czar" monitoring future election fraud. What could possibly go wrong?!

 
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baltimorened said:
this married argument is just dumb. Women have been getting married and voting for decades. Based on the married women argument none of them would ever be able to vote because they took their husband's names...and we know that's not true
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Has the Save Act also been in place "for decades?" Rhetorical question, Farley.
 
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baltimorened said:
Your points are valid...I just have a different viewpoint.

On your "trump issues"...I don't disagree there either. We likely have had voter fraud for years if not decades - just found a non citizen who had voted in every election since 2000 (I believe). And, no one before trump in 2016 complained. (But wasn't it Hillary who said the election was stolen and democrats who wouldn't accept trump? not trying to be partisan). Likely not one of the non citizen votes overturned/influenced an election. And, we might very well be solving a problem that doesn't exist. I accept all of that. I simply feel that the arguments against being able to register are bogus.

I could be just as satisfied if we kept things the way they are, but a mandatory 5 year sentence and $250,000 fine for a non citizen voting in an election
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On voter fraud for decades: we had a statistically insignificant amount of fraud then and now. Nothing has changed except Trump and we have better methods of detecting fraud than we did in the past.

On Hillary: this is a tired whataboutism argument that has nothing in common with what Trump has done. Hillary didn't claim the votes themselves were fraudulent - she blamed proven Russian interference and Comey re-opening her email investigation 10 days before the election. Also unlike Trump, she immediately conceded and attended his inauguration. These things are not the same.
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On penalties: Election officials are everyday Americans who work hard to ensure a functioning democracy and many have been quitting in droves to avoid the heavy-handed penalties they are being threatened with. Under these bills, election workers could go to prison for up to five years if they help to register somebody without the correct documents, even if the registered voter is a citizen. They shouldn’t have to fear criminal penalties just for doing their jobs. https://campaignlegal.org/update/who-are-election-officials-and-what-do-they-do

On bogus arguments: I might be more sympathetic to your point if we were talking about future elections and not the mid-terms, which won't give us enough time to make sure that all systems are updated and all citizens who need to re-register have time to do so. We should not be rushing to get this implemented in such a short amount of time for a constitutional right. And we haven't even mentioned that Trump is now pushing for all mail-in voting to be eliminated except under the strictest conditions. And all to prevent a handful of "potential" fraudulent votes that would most likely be caught anyway.

If the SAVE Act was a future looking proposal for the 2028 election, I wouldn't have a problem with it but to force the issue now will disenfranchise more legal citizens than prevent illegal votes.
 
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On voter fraud for decades: we had a statistically insignificant amount of fraud then and now. Nothing has changed except Trump and we have better methods of detecting fraud than we did in the past.

On Hillary: this is a tired whataboutism argument that has nothing in common with what Trump has done. Hillary didn't claim the votes themselves were fraudulent - she blamed proven Russian interference and Comey re-opening her email investigation 10 days before the election. Also unlike Trump, she immediately conceded and attended his inauguration. These things are not the same.
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On penalties: Election officials are everyday Americans who work hard to ensure a functioning democracy and many have been quitting in droves to avoid the heavy-handed penalties they are being threatened with. Under these bills, election workers could go to prison for up to five years if they help to register somebody without the correct documents, even if the registered voter is a citizen. They shouldn’t have to fear criminal penalties just for doing their jobs. https://campaignlegal.org/update/who-are-election-officials-and-what-do-they-do

On bogus arguments: I might be more sympathetic to your point if we were talking about future elections and not the mid-terms, which won't give us enough time to make sure that all systems are updated and all citizens who need to re-register have time to do so. We should not be rushing to get this implemented in such a short amount of time for a constitutional right. And we haven't even mentioned that Trump is now pushing for all mail-in voting to be eliminated except under the strictest conditions. And all to prevent a handful of "potential" fraudulent votes that would most likely be caught anyway.

If the SAVE Act was a future looking proposal for the 2028 election, I wouldn't have a problem with it but to force the issue now will disenfranchise more legal citizens than prevent illegal votes.
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well this has been a civil debate. Like I said, I think you have some valid points, and for sure, I think I do as well.

In the end I don't think the SAVE act gets passed, not because members of either party don't want secure elections, but because neither wants to give up their political points
 
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Release the Kraken, indeed. Sidney Powell is a crook. Of the convicted variety. Wonder if her Probation Officer will be OK with her taking this job. This appointment is quintessentially Trumpian. Appoint someone convicted of election fraud to serve as "Election Czar" monitoring future election fraud. What could possibly go wrong?!

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Her charges were thrown out in GA I am pretty sure after the Fani fraud was discovered.
 
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TigerGrowls said:
Thats true but I think everything ended up being thrown out when the case was ended. It was a scam by Fani and the commie dems anyway and everyone knows it.
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Every Trump Cultist "knows it." The rest of us are shaking our heads at the corruption of these #STOPTHESTEAL criminals.
 
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baltimorened said:
to me another example of the flip flopping of our high integrity elected officials who vote one way during one admin and 180 degrees differently in another.
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There's a lot more to the Save Act than photo ID

Trump is now insisting anti-trans legislation be included along with no mail-in voting, making it more difficult to register and threatening five years in jail for election workers who mistakenly accept incorrect documents, even if the applicant is a US citizen - hell, even private citizens can sue election workers under the same circumstances.

These things are not the same.
 
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TigerGrowls said:
Thats true but I think everything ended up being thrown out when the case was ended.
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Sigh. My friend Google disagrees with you.

LB's Google Query: Was Sidney Powell's Georgia guilty plea upheld?

Google response: Yes, Sidney Powell's October 2023 guilty plea in the Georgia election interference case was accepted by a judge and remains in place. She pleaded guilty to six misdemeanor charges related to the 2020 election subversion case, avoiding jail time in exchange for six years of probation, fines, a written apology, and testifying against co-defendants. The plea agreement is a legally binding contract, and has not been overturned or invalidated.

Key details regarding the plea:
  • Charges: She pleaded guilty to six misdemeanor counts of conspiracy to interfere with election duties.
  • Sentencing: The deal resulted in six years of probation, a $6,000 fine and roughly $2,700 in restitution to the State.
  • Cooperation: She was required to provide a letter of apology and testify truthfully in future trials of co-defendants in the Georgia election case.
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LafayetteBear said:
Sigh. My friend Google disagrees with you.

LB's Google Query: Was Sidney Powell's Georgia guilty plea upheld?

Google response: Yes, Sidney Powell's October 2023 guilty plea in the Georgia election interference case was accepted by a judge and remains in place. She pleaded guilty to six misdemeanor charges related to the 2020 election subversion case, avoiding jail time in exchange for six years of probation, fines, a written apology, and testifying against co-defendants. The plea agreement is a legally binding contract, and has not been overturned or invalidated.

Key details regarding the plea:
  • Charges: She pleaded guilty to six misdemeanor counts of conspiracy to interfere with election duties.
  • Sentencing: The deal resulted in six years of probation, a $6,000 fine and roughly $2,700 in restitution to the State.
  • Cooperation: She was required to provide a letter of apology and testify truthfully in future trials of co-defendants in the Georgia election case.
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(Atlanta) - Kraken lawyer Sidney Powell admitted in a filing in federal court that “no reasonable person would conclude that [her] statements were truly statements of fact.” Powell made the filing in response to a defamation suit from Dominion Voting Systems in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia.

 
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When Obama And His Party Need To Suppress The Vote, It’s OK​


https://issuesinsights.com/2026/03/12/when-obama-and-his-party-need-to-suppress-the-vote-its-ok/


Democrats, who want to flood elections with illegal aliens because they will vote their way, have also whined that the law will prevent married women from voting because the names on their birth certificates don’t match their married names.

This shows how duplicitous they are: Obama exploited the name difference of at least one married woman to clear his path to the Illinois Senate.

David Freddoso exposed Obama’s nastiness years ago in a Wall Street Journal op-ed, in which he pointed out that the community organizer “won his first election in 1996 by throwing all of his opponents off the ballot on technicalities.”

One of the Obama “tactics for disqualifying them was to challenge signatures on his opponents’ petitions by married women who signed using the wrong name,” he posted Sunday, which happened to be International Women’s Day.

“Beginning on Jan. 2, 1996,” Freddoso writes in his 2008 Journal piece, Obama’s “campaigners began challenging thousands” of qualifying petition signatures that “the other candidates in the race had submitted in order to appear on the ballot. Thus would Mr. Obama win his state Senate seat, months before a single vote was cast.”

The petition challengers reported to Obama “nightly on their progress as they disqualified his opponents’ signatures on various technical grounds — all legitimate from the perspective of law.”

“In the end,” says Freddoso, “Obama disqualified all four opponents — including the incumbent state senator, Alice Palmer, and three minor candidates.”

So Obama began his noxious “public service” career using dirty Chicago Democratic machine politics, going so low as to even disenfranchise females. Today, his party, which is more unscrupulous than ever after having adopted his vile methods and taken on his odious personality, wants to pretend none of it ever happened and strains mightily to cast itself as the principled defender of female voters.
 
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dpic73 said:
(Atlanta) - Kraken lawyer Sidney Powell admitted in a filing in federal court that “no reasonable person would conclude that [her] statements were truly statements of fact.” Powell made the filing in response to a defamation suit from Dominion Voting Systems in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia.

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well, you have to admit that's what we've been saying about Trump's comments..kind of scary for a country's leader
 
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When Obama And His Party Need To Suppress The Vote, It’s OK​


https://issuesinsights.com/2026/03/12/when-obama-and-his-party-need-to-suppress-the-vote-its-ok/


Democrats, who want to flood elections with illegal aliens because they will vote their way, have also whined that the law will prevent married women from voting because the names on their birth certificates don’t match their married names.

This shows how duplicitous they are: Obama exploited the name difference of at least one married woman to clear his path to the Illinois Senate.

David Freddoso exposed Obama’s nastiness years ago in a Wall Street Journal op-ed, in which he pointed out that the community organizer “won his first election in 1996 by throwing all of his opponents off the ballot on technicalities.”

One of the Obama “tactics for disqualifying them was to challenge signatures on his opponents’ petitions by married women who signed using the wrong name,” he posted Sunday, which happened to be International Women’s Day.

“Beginning on Jan. 2, 1996,” Freddoso writes in his 2008 Journal piece, Obama’s “campaigners began challenging thousands” of qualifying petition signatures that “the other candidates in the race had submitted in order to appear on the ballot. Thus would Mr. Obama win his state Senate seat, months before a single vote was cast.”

The petition challengers reported to Obama “nightly on their progress as they disqualified his opponents’ signatures on various technical grounds — all legitimate from the perspective of law.”

“In the end,” says Freddoso, “Obama disqualified all four opponents — including the incumbent state senator, Alice Palmer, and three minor candidates.”

So Obama began his noxious “public service” career using dirty Chicago Democratic machine politics, going so low as to even disenfranchise females. Today, his party, which is more unscrupulous than ever after having adopted his vile methods and taken on his odious personality, wants to pretend none of it ever happened and strains mightily to cast itself as the principled defender of female voters.
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Wait, so you're admitting that you know Trump is attempting to corruptly suppress the vote and yet you still suck on his nads like a hangry piglet? Have you no shame?
 
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Married women, you’re being lied to about the SAVE America Act​


LOL.. The left is lying to America today about the very thing Obama did....

https://www.theblaze.com/shows/rela...oure-being-lied-to-about-the-save-america-act

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton claimed the Republican-backed SAVE America Act could prevent millions of married women from voting.

“Are you one of nearly 70 million American women who changed their names when they got married? Republicans in Congress want to make it harder for you to vote. Tell your senator to oppose the SAVE Act,” Clinton wrote in a post on X.
 
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Married women, you’re being lied to about the SAVE America Act​


LOL.. The left is lying to America today about the very thing Obama did....

https://www.theblaze.com/shows/rela...oure-being-lied-to-about-the-save-america-act

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton claimed the Republican-backed SAVE America Act could prevent millions of married women from voting.

“Are you one of nearly 70 million American women who changed their names when they got married? Republicans in Congress want to make it harder for you to vote. Tell your senator to oppose the SAVE Act,” Clinton wrote in a post on X.
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I know this is a someone dumb question, but isn't Hillary married and didn't she take her husbands name? She can't vote?
 
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LafayetteBear said:
Sigh. My friend Google disagrees with you.

LB's Google Query: Was Sidney Powell's Georgia guilty plea upheld?

Google response: Yes, Sidney Powell's October 2023 guilty plea in the Georgia election interference case was accepted by a judge and remains in place. She pleaded guilty to six misdemeanor charges related to the 2020 election subversion case, avoiding jail time in exchange for six years of probation, fines, a written apology, and testifying against co-defendants. The plea agreement is a legally binding contract, and has not been overturned or invalidated.

Key details regarding the plea:
  • Charges: She pleaded guilty to six misdemeanor counts of conspiracy to interfere with election duties.
  • Sentencing: The deal resulted in six years of probation, a $6,000 fine and roughly $2,700 in restitution to the State.
  • Cooperation: She was required to provide a letter of apology and testify truthfully in future trials of co-defendants in the Georgia election case.
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Q told me it was thrown out but it's classified.

😂🤣😅
 
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And here we go!

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you know dpic, this is one of those area where we might agree, but not see eye to eye (if that makes sense.)

Joyce Alene certainly has the right to voice her opinion ..although she's really not giving an opinion just throwing a "hand grenade " into the conversation to raise doubt. I don't know what Maxwell told anybody and apparently neither do Congressional investigators republicans or democrats(But Joyce apparently does?) Maybe Maduro is talking and making statements the administration wants to hear...but does that mean that Maduro is lying, or is he just reaffirming the truth the administration official already know the answers to?

Not everything in life is a great conspiracy
 
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you know dpic, this is one of those area where we might agree, but not see eye to eye (if that makes sense.)

Joyce Alene certainly has the right to voice her opinion ..although she's really not giving an opinion just throwing a "hand grenade " into the conversation to raise doubt. I don't know what Maxwell told anybody and apparently neither do Congressional investigators republicans or democrats(But Joyce apparently does?) Maybe Maduro is talking and making statements the administration wants to hear...but does that mean that Maduro is lying, or is he just reaffirming the truth the administration official already know the answers to?

Not everything in life is a great conspiracy
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No Ned, this is Trump dangling a pardon in exchange for Maduro saying the election was stolen. FACT
 
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This has been one of their tactics since 2020 and myriad pundits have expected this outcome.



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you're going to have to help me again. I'm not sure how this directly relates to Maduro, unless you're tieing Maduro to comments Powell made to save her butt. But Powell said you can believe that what she said was factual...

I'm not discounting your belief, I just can't tie the two together yet
 
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you're going to have to help me again. I'm not sure how this directly relates to Maduro, unless you're tieing Maduro to comments Powell made to save her butt. But Powell said you can believe that what she said was factual...

I'm not discounting your belief, I just can't tie the two together yet
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Because of her claims that Venezuela was involved in creating Softmatic software that flipped votes, which is why she was sued. Of course Trump believes her and is now attempting to get Maduro to confirm it. Gotta run, later.

Key Aspects of the Smartmatic-Powell Litigation:
  • The Claims: Following the 2020 election, Powell promoted theories that Smartmatic software, allegedly created in Venezuela, was used to flip votes from Trump to Joe Biden.
  • The Lawsuit: Smartmatic sued Powell, Rudy Giuliani, and others in February 2021, alleging they "invented a story" to make Smartmatic the villain in a fake election fraud narrative.
  • Targeted Accusations: Court filings highlighted that Powell and others were involved in promoting false claims about the company.
  • Damages: Smartmatic argues these false claims damaged their business reputation and caused them to lose contracts, despite their limited role in the 2020 U.S. election.
  • Related Litigation: Smartmatic has pursued similar defamation lawsuits against networks like Fox News and Newsmax.
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The litigation is part of a broader legal effort by voting technology firms to hold individuals accountable for promoting unsubstantiated claims about the 2020 election.


 
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Because of her claims that Venezuela was involved in creating Softmatic software that flipped votes, which is why she was sued. Of course Trump believes her and is now attempting to get Maduro to confirm it. Gotta run, later.

Key Aspects of the Smartmatic-Powell Litigation:
  • The Claims: Following the 2020 election, Powell promoted theories that Smartmatic software, allegedly created in Venezuela, was used to flip votes from Trump to Joe Biden.
  • The Lawsuit: Smartmatic sued Powell, Rudy Giuliani, and others in February 2021, alleging they "invented a story" to make Smartmatic the villain in a fake election fraud narrative.
  • Targeted Accusations: Court filings highlighted that Powell and others were involved in promoting false claims about the company.
  • Damages: Smartmatic argues these false claims damaged their business reputation and caused them to lose contracts, despite their limited role in the 2020 U.S. election.
  • Related Litigation: Smartmatic has pursued similar defamation lawsuits against networks like Fox News and Newsmax.
    Free Speech Center +5
The litigation is part of a broader legal effort by voting technology firms to hold individuals accountable for promoting unsubstantiated claims about the 2020 election.


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No... Not at all. Trump took Venezuela because Maduro was kind, good and righteous.... lmfao..
 
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dpic73 said:
Because of her claims that Venezuela was involved in creating Softmatic software that flipped votes, which is why she was sued. Of course Trump believes her and is now attempting to get Maduro to confirm it. Gotta run, later.

Key Aspects of the Smartmatic-Powell Litigation:
  • The Claims: Following the 2020 election, Powell promoted theories that Smartmatic software, allegedly created in Venezuela, was used to flip votes from Trump to Joe Biden.
  • The Lawsuit: Smartmatic sued Powell, Rudy Giuliani, and others in February 2021, alleging they "invented a story" to make Smartmatic the villain in a fake election fraud narrative.
  • Targeted Accusations: Court filings highlighted that Powell and others were involved in promoting false claims about the company.
  • Damages: Smartmatic argues these false claims damaged their business reputation and caused them to lose contracts, despite their limited role in the 2020 U.S. election.
  • Related Litigation: Smartmatic has pursued similar defamation lawsuits against networks like Fox News and Newsmax.
    Free Speech Center +5
The litigation is part of a broader legal effort by voting technology firms to hold individuals accountable for promoting unsubstantiated claims about the 2020 election.


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ITS HAPPENING DPIC. Brace yourself.
 
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Because of her claims that Venezuela was involved in creating Softmatic software that flipped votes, which is why she was sued. Of course Trump believes her and is now attempting to get Maduro to confirm it. Gotta run, later.

Key Aspects of the Smartmatic-Powell Litigation:
  • The Claims: Following the 2020 election, Powell promoted theories that Smartmatic software, allegedly created in Venezuela, was used to flip votes from Trump to Joe Biden.
  • The Lawsuit: Smartmatic sued Powell, Rudy Giuliani, and others in February 2021, alleging they "invented a story" to make Smartmatic the villain in a fake election fraud narrative.
  • Targeted Accusations: Court filings highlighted that Powell and others were involved in promoting false claims about the company.
  • Damages: Smartmatic argues these false claims damaged their business reputation and caused them to lose contracts, despite their limited role in the 2020 U.S. election.
  • Related Litigation: Smartmatic has pursued similar defamation lawsuits against networks like Fox News and Newsmax.
    Free Speech Center +5
The litigation is part of a broader legal effort by voting technology firms to hold individuals accountable for promoting unsubstantiated claims about the 2020 election.


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thanks
 
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