The thing about Mullen's offense and QB's....

DowntownDawg

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....is that Mullen's offense puts the quarterback in a position to have to make a a bunch of decisions during the course of the game that often determine the game's outcome. On the zone read play, the qb has to read the DE and decide whether or not to give or keep. There's alot of option mixed in. Decision making is where Tyson Lee failed last year. Before the last play of the LSU Game, Tyson Lee was 32-64-337-2-3 and had rushed for 49 yards and a TD. He didn't play much against J-State, played from behind all night against Auburn, and played very well against Vanderbilt with a very conservative game plan. He scored to put that game away. Not great, but more in line with his play in 2008. He didn't have an INT until the LSU game, and one was on Ducre. I can't remember the other two.

After he makes the bad decision not to pitch against LSU, he basically fell apart. His worst two games were against Houston and Georgia Tech in terms of turnovers and poor decisions. Mentally, he was gone. He was smart enough to know that he had probably cost the team a bowl game. Also around that time was when Relf had his sabbatical. Lee on to fumble 7 more times and throw 11 more interceptions, with only 3 more touchdowns.

Mullen's offense requires a mentally tough quarterback. Look at Tebow. Not the world's best passer, but a great leader. Look at Alex Smith - not a great arm or athlete, but just a good solid player. In his offense, you can't really protect the quarterback. I got frustrated with Mullen some last year because he kept putting the ball in Lee's hands in big situations. Looking back though, the numbers speak for themselves. Even with Lee's poor decisions, we showed great improvement in both wins and offensive numbers.

Relf seems to handle the zone read pretty well, doesn't appear to be particularly fumble prone, and doesn't seem to be plagued by indecision. I hope he's mentally tough enough to handle the job. I feel good about Russell in time, too. He showed some toughness against South Panola a couple of years ago.
 

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DowntownDawg said:
After he makes the bad decision not to pitch against LSU, he basically fell apart.
Was it unwise not to pitch the ball to Dixon? Sure. It is always more wise to feed 24 than to let a small QB run the ball.

But watch the replay. Lee had an open gap to stick it in the endzone. Problem is Chad Jones saw the open gap about the same time Lee did. Lee went in and so did Chad Jones. We know what happened. It wasn't a bonehead decision on Lee's part. He had the opening.
 

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It was a quick decision and Lee made the right one. The problem was that Jones made the same one.
 

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I think you made a good general statement about QBs period.

A lot of playing QB is mental regardless of the offense, and not so much mental as psychological. It's a little bit like being a pitcher. If you can't forget the previous pass or the previous play or you can't drop back without thinking about the pass rush, you're toast.

You have to be mentally tough to play the position well. A lot of QBs can have a good bit of success when surrounded by good players making plays and making things easy on them. The really good ones are the ones that can still be good when the OL is struggling or when coming off a couple interceptions.

It's the balls theory. You either have them or you don't. If you don't have them, you won't last at QB no matter how much talent you have.
 
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game, it's that he always wants to keep the ball himself. At least based on what i saw last year. I don't guess that's really a bad thing, but I can foresee him keeping it a few times this year when he should pitch it and maybe costing us some big plays in the process. His running ability is going to force defenses to respect him and assign someone to take him out on the option...it should free up the RBs a little and i just hope he's smart enough to realize that and use it.
 

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markymark said:
game, it's that he always wants to keep the ball himself. At least based on what i saw last year. I don't guess that's really a bad thing, but I can foresee him keeping it a few times this year when he should pitch it and maybe costing us some big plays in the process. His running ability is going to force defenses to respect him and assign someone to take him out on the option...it should free up the RBs a little and i just hope he's smart enough to realize that and use it.
I think that since everyone was keying off Dixon last year that he ended up keeping more often than he would have otherwise.
 

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as does Tyler. That's going to get them killed in a full season of SEC defenses. I suspect they've been working on that. Perhaps a 6'5" QB running the ball is just a big target.

It's all about the pad level...
 
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If anyone else watched the colts-packers game last night, Peyton Manning threw an interception onepossession, then came back and threw a 30 yard strike to Wayne down the sideline. That's what makes him the best.
 

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I dont remember us taking a time-out before that play. And if it was signaled in, then he wasn't told to pitch the ball- so it is therefore- not fact
 

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so there would have been plenty of time for Lee to go get the play from the sideline where he could have been told to pitch the ball. Still, this is the first time I've heard that the play wasn't just a regular option play and I can't imagine in that situation why you'd want to lock your QB into pitching the ball if the defense had the pitch man covered.
 

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Edited to add this post-game quote from Mullen:
"The previous three plays, they (LSU) had pinched every single person
inside," Mullen said. "<span style="font-weight: bold;">So we figured we would pitch the ball to Anthony
on the outside</span> like we did earlier in the game when we scored on the
same play. Tyson saw a gap and we didn't get the ball pitched."
 

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A. where did you get that quote?

B. if we wanted it pitched for sure, then we should have run the toss sweep instead of the option
 

jcdawgman18

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A) Memphis Commercial-Appeal
B) Apparently, it was an understood pitch masquerading as an option play and was taught as such, with the coach-speak caveat of "if it breaks down and you see something, don't be afraid to do it". Naturally, Tyson picks the biggest play we had all season to play superman at the first sign of outside pressure instead of just making the pitch and letting Boobie walk in.