D played well enough to win; the 40 yd fg miss was huge cause at the end we could have been playing it differently; the real killer is we had them beaten at least twice and missed our throws. At the end of the day we did not make the plays; they did.<div>I guess the QB questions are answered now. Wow.</div>
The truth about this loss.....
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D played well enough to win; the 40 yd fg miss was huge cause at the end we could have been playing it differently; the real killer is we had them beaten at least twice and missed our throws. At the end of the day we did not make the plays; they did.<div>I guess the QB questions are answered now. Wow.</div>
Defense did their job, Quarterback did his, we have a commendable running game and credit both the O-Line and running backs for that. We had a presence between the tackles today and that is the first time we have had that presence in a game this year (outside Memphis). Special teams did their jobs today, as well. Only one or two drives was field position an issue and that was because the offense went 3 and out. We got beat by a really good defensive team (not the best we've seen this year, but certainly a good one). The only questionable play call I remember was the pass on first down from the first and goal from the 5. We run the ball, get a few yards, we may have had a much easier time throwing.<div>
</div><div>Ultimately, our wide receivers cost us this game. Russell made **** happen and there were several drives that would not have been able to happen would it not have been for him. Hats off to him. Great start and great choice to start him. But we have to start catching the damn ball. </div>
</div><div>Ultimately, our wide receivers cost us this game. Russell made **** happen and there were several drives that would not have been able to happen would it not have been for him. Hats off to him. Great start and great choice to start him. But we have to start catching the damn ball. </div>
but the soft secondary is allowing teams to get to the red zone too easy. We get some picks every game but give up the easy receptions all day.
Ricco had one...Bump had one hit him in the end zone when he was being interfered with and the F/s got there at the same time as the ball....<div>
</div><div>The WR's didnt lose ****- hell they made some damn good catches out there also- Smith almost got killed and Arceto made a great grab and run to move us down the field</div><div>
</div><div>Some of you need to get a grip</div>
</div><div>The WR's didnt lose ****- hell they made some damn good catches out there also- Smith almost got killed and Arceto made a great grab and run to move us down the field</div><div>
</div><div>Some of you need to get a grip</div>
That play right there is why we'll never beat the big boys. Teams try and try and try to give us the game and poor little ol untalented MSU can never execute.<div>
</div><div>As much as fans got on to Ralph for never hitting the deep ball, seems wonder boy Tyler was 0fer as well today. We have one deep play in the playbook and 75% of the time we run it with Arceto. I was shocked to see Heavens actually get a shot, but alas the wonder boy missed him.</div>
</div><div>As much as fans got on to Ralph for never hitting the deep ball, seems wonder boy Tyler was 0fer as well today. We have one deep play in the playbook and 75% of the time we run it with Arceto. I was shocked to see Heavens actually get a shot, but alas the wonder boy missed him.</div>
I believe that was the drive that set up a missed field goal, too. Also, several of the deep shots should have been caught. One went right through Bumphis' hands. Yea, some of them made really good catches, but others were flat out drops. Also, they could have done a much better job blocking downfield. Several of our runs were cut off because our receivers didn't set up blocks (or did a piss poor job of setting them up).
That doesn't negate the fact we had several opportunities to win, and several of those opportunities could have come on key drops. Our other units made mistakes, too, but our receivers hurt us on several occasions just because they didn't catch the damn ball.
with a better throw. Not dogging TR here...just saying we had TD's on two deep throws if we had made them. The 40 yd FG miss was a big one in my opinion....got to make that. The 53 yd attempt should never have been tried. Little things can win for you and little things can lose for you.
I agree with C34 on this.... there were only one or two real drops.
The busted plays were the handful of slightly over thrown wide open TD passes. That is on Russell and his sorry pathetic excuse of a QB.
Ralph would not have made the throws either.... the smurf never would have seen over is OL to see the open receivers.
So it is what it is....
Not a MSU thing, just playing QB is hard and finding a good one who can get it done is not easy. Just need the OL so we can jam it down people's throats and not worry about being able to pass the ball. Look at Saban's approach in T-Town... They don't have a steller QB,,,, they just run it down the gut every single time and like novacaine just give it time!
The busted plays were the handful of slightly over thrown wide open TD passes. That is on Russell and his sorry pathetic excuse of a QB.
Ralph would not have made the throws either.... the smurf never would have seen over is OL to see the open receivers.
So it is what it is....
Not a MSU thing, just playing QB is hard and finding a good one who can get it done is not easy. Just need the OL so we can jam it down people's throats and not worry about being able to pass the ball. Look at Saban's approach in T-Town... They don't have a steller QB,,,, they just run it down the gut every single time and like novacaine just give it time!
sanders also dropped one in his hands across the middle in the second quarter so your wrong again, and the one to Bumphis in the end zone would have been an awesome catch but still hit him in the hands.
what game did you watch. </p>
what game did you watch. </p>
but some of the receivers came off their routes.
I think part of the problem is that they're not used to having a QB that can hit them in stride. It's like they expect to have to make a juke move back to the ball, so they slow down, adjust, and deviate because that's what they had to do with Relf.
I think it's a fair criticism to say the receivers made some mistakes on some potentially game breaking plays. To say otherwise would be intellectually dishonest.
As far as DePasquale... When they lined up forthe 40 yarder, it looked like a bad angle and turns out it was and... Look 53 yards is 53 yards. There aren't a lot of NCAA kickers hitting that one consistently.
I think part of the problem is that they're not used to having a QB that can hit them in stride. It's like they expect to have to make a juke move back to the ball, so they slow down, adjust, and deviate because that's what they had to do with Relf.
I think it's a fair criticism to say the receivers made some mistakes on some potentially game breaking plays. To say otherwise would be intellectually dishonest.
As far as DePasquale... When they lined up forthe 40 yarder, it looked like a bad angle and turns out it was and... Look 53 yards is 53 yards. There aren't a lot of NCAA kickers hitting that one consistently.
Somebody put a muzzle on the Schrutedog he knows 2 things jack & doo doo about what he's talking about & jack left town last year. Tyler played his butt off! D (as I keep saying) played pretty well minus keeping JB on Jefferey on that last TD catch. Broomfield should've NEVER been on him. Gabe Jackson's missed block was detremental as he hit Tyler's arm & messed his follow through up. Tyler was tough as nails today. Taking shot after shot was inspiring. I knew I'd jump on here after the game & see people say "man, he should've put Relf in on 1st & GL". Comical, really! Don't mess w/ a young players confidence, keep him in. This guy is OUR future! He playef pretty well considering this D is top 5 in sacks. I was proud of our kids, the way they played. SC was beatable we could've beat them but......we didn't. Put Schutedog in his kennel, he needs a time out for posting doo doo.
There were a few drops today, and really drops should never happen. Good receivers have a few drops a season, not one or more a game. You mention Clarks good catch which he bobbled and nearly dropped. The bigger problem is receivers rarely getting open. how many times do our QBs runout and get away from pressure only to get away and have nobody open and half of them giving up on the plays.
With that said, Russell definitely missed a few passes that he should not have, mainly the two ints and the one deep ball to Heavens. Upon further review of the last interception he had to be hit because the ball came out with an awful trajectory and wobbly as hell, if not then that was a awful throw that slipped out of his hand. The deep ball to Sanders was 100% on Sanders, if you watch the replay you will see him slow down when he looks back for the ball, then turn it back on to try and catch up, then give minimal effort to reach for the ball. Malcolm Johnson is most definitely the best target we have. We should get him more involved in the receiving game even if they have to line him up at WR some.
All in all it does not really matter, because if the receivers had played at an above average level Russell would have over 55% completions 2 TDs 2 Ints and most importanly a Win. But then everyone would say how the receivers helped him out so much. I think the receivers are average, Russell is average, and the line is awful. I am convinced that you won't ever be able to see that Russell is a better option than Relf unless he beats a LSU or BAMA with 500 yards passing and no Ints. Even then you would be able to argue that he has better/more experienced players around him than Relf did.
With that said, Russell definitely missed a few passes that he should not have, mainly the two ints and the one deep ball to Heavens. Upon further review of the last interception he had to be hit because the ball came out with an awful trajectory and wobbly as hell, if not then that was a awful throw that slipped out of his hand. The deep ball to Sanders was 100% on Sanders, if you watch the replay you will see him slow down when he looks back for the ball, then turn it back on to try and catch up, then give minimal effort to reach for the ball. Malcolm Johnson is most definitely the best target we have. We should get him more involved in the receiving game even if they have to line him up at WR some.
All in all it does not really matter, because if the receivers had played at an above average level Russell would have over 55% completions 2 TDs 2 Ints and most importanly a Win. But then everyone would say how the receivers helped him out so much. I think the receivers are average, Russell is average, and the line is awful. I am convinced that you won't ever be able to see that Russell is a better option than Relf unless he beats a LSU or BAMA with 500 yards passing and no Ints. Even then you would be able to argue that he has better/more experienced players around him than Relf did.
...quit on his route that almost went for a TD. Go look at the reaction when they come back to bench. The coaches were livid.<div>
</div><div>Sanders dropped two.</div><div><div>
</div><div>The real killer was missing that first field goal.</div><div>
</div><div>Defense played really well. Backs played well. Russell played really well (especially since he got put on his back time after time).</div><div>
</div><div>Truth is, USC is better than we are and we hung with them and had a legitimate shot to win (unlike LSU). It was a good game. No shame in losing like that.</div> </div>
</div><div>Sanders dropped two.</div><div><div>
</div><div>The real killer was missing that first field goal.</div><div>
</div><div>Defense played really well. Backs played well. Russell played really well (especially since he got put on his back time after time).</div><div>
</div><div>Truth is, USC is better than we are and we hung with them and had a legitimate shot to win (unlike LSU). It was a good game. No shame in losing like that.</div> </div>
...kept us in the game. Relf is done (heard rumors he suffered broken ribs in LSU game, which would explain his rapid decline afterwards).<div>
</div><div>I can't believe it took us this long to play the best 17ing recruit on our damn team (at the most important position on the field no less).</div><div>
</div><div>The problem is COACHING. Can Dan Mullen put together a game plan around a real QB and not a 17ing Fullback? I said that before the game. I'm saying it again now. We've got to keep more TEs & RBs in to help block when we pass. Run more screens (WR & RB). We can be a BETTER offense with Russell, but only if we play to our strengths.</div><div>
</div><div>On top of that, Russell gets hurt and we run the worst 17ing play in the Dan Mullen era, which should have been picked off if not for Chad Bumphis making a great pass break-up. Good 17ing Grief Dan! I swear if that midget gets anymore playing time I'm going to lose my 17ing mind. Just run a bland little wildcat run and then call timeout (yeah, you know those things you can't stand to use) to make sure Russell is okay.</div><div>
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</div><div>I can't believe it took us this long to play the best 17ing recruit on our damn team (at the most important position on the field no less).</div><div>
</div><div>The problem is COACHING. Can Dan Mullen put together a game plan around a real QB and not a 17ing Fullback? I said that before the game. I'm saying it again now. We've got to keep more TEs & RBs in to help block when we pass. Run more screens (WR & RB). We can be a BETTER offense with Russell, but only if we play to our strengths.</div><div>
</div><div>On top of that, Russell gets hurt and we run the worst 17ing play in the Dan Mullen era, which should have been picked off if not for Chad Bumphis making a great pass break-up. Good 17ing Grief Dan! I swear if that midget gets anymore playing time I'm going to lose my 17ing mind. Just run a bland little wildcat run and then call timeout (yeah, you know those things you can't stand to use) to make sure Russell is okay.</div><div>
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But he's a sorry pathetic qb? You and coach are 17in idiots. His first start against a top 15 sec team! He missed a few throws but our receivers also dropped balls and ran terrible routes. Ie bumphis on first and goal. By the way bumphis has never and will never live up to the hype.
You are 17ing pathetic. You know what Russell didn't do? Take a panic sack after his first read was covered, i.e., Chris Relf. He was 11-29 because he threw the ball away rather than doing something stupid trying to make something out of nothing. <div>Coach34 said:
</div><div>There are two reasons why it's taken this long to start Russell:</div><div>1. Everyone, including the staff was suckered into thinking Relf had turned the corner because he played well against 4 of the worst 17ing defenses in college football (Arkansas, Ole Miss, Michigan, Memphis).</div><div>2. Dan Mullen doesn't know how to run an offense with a legit pro-style QB. He was too busy trying to turn Chris Relf into Tebow-Lite to organize his offense around his best player.</div><div>
</div><div>Bottom Line: If Relf had played, we'd have gotten skull-drug. How do I know? Because South Carolina is better than 17ing LaTech & UAB.</div>
...to list all the players that have been drafted highly by the NFL and sucked hind tit, losing their job to players that went significantly lower or not drafted at all?<div>
</div><div>KJ Wright or Aaron Curry...</div><div>
</div><div>You are dumber than a bag of 17ing hammers.</div><div>
</div><div>Case Closed My 17ing ***.</div>
</div><div>KJ Wright or Aaron Curry...</div><div>
</div><div>You are dumber than a bag of 17ing hammers.</div><div>
</div><div>Case Closed My 17ing ***.</div>
"<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Dan Mullen doesn't know how to run an offense with a legit pro-style QB."</span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Mullen coached Alex Smith at Utah, and then won a NC with Chris Leak at QB- Tebow didnt play 20% of their offensive plays his Freshman year</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
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</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">"because he played well against 4 of the worst 17ing defenses in college football (Arkansas, Ole Miss, Michigan, Memphis)"</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Arkansas had a better defense than we did last season and ranked 5th in the SEC</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
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</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Mullen coached Alex Smith at Utah, and then won a NC with Chris Leak at QB- Tebow didnt play 20% of their offensive plays his Freshman year</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
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</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">"because he played well against 4 of the worst 17ing defenses in college football (Arkansas, Ole Miss, Michigan, Memphis)"</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Arkansas had a better defense than we did last season and ranked 5th in the SEC</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
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Why in the hell did Mullen try to kick a 57 yard fg? I know he told coach he felt good and everything... But come on... Go for it or play field position. That damn kick looked like the girl that tried the kick for tuition
Russell just played "ok"...? I'm not saying he was superman out there, but give me a break. Considering the conditions he had to go up against with a pass coverage that probably stayed solid on an average of about 3 seconds with inconsistent receivers, I'd have to say his production was more than just "ok". He made plays that Relf has never made even at his best. I will admit that last sentence is somewhat unreasonable since we don't ask Relf to throw to that extent, but the plays that happened today start with Russell's play. That just can't be denied. Both of his picks were just as much his fault as it should be the line.<div>
</div><div>I chose not to say much in regards to your negative outlook on Russell in the past, but this is just too much. Give credit where credit is due. If Relf had nearly the production that Russell had tonight, you'd say he performed 17nphenomenal. If you deny that then you're being absolutely obstinate.</div>
</div><div>I chose not to say much in regards to your negative outlook on Russell in the past, but this is just too much. Give credit where credit is due. If Relf had nearly the production that Russell had tonight, you'd say he performed 17nphenomenal. If you deny that then you're being absolutely obstinate.</div>
the long ball down the scar sideline went through Sandershands so factually your wrong. there were at least five times he threw the ball away to keep from a bad sack but you wont give any credit for that. it was his first freaking start against one of the best pass rushing defenses in ncaa and he had only one sack despite constant pressure. anything you want to be negative about on the td pass or the numerous third and long plays he kept drives alive with?
No one is saying he set the world on fire, but for a first game, he did good.
No one is saying he set the world on fire, but for a first game, he did good.