The word on the street
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There's another university in Alabama other than the one where I am employed that had 5,000 freshmen last year. Many of them, ahem, were not invited to be students at a certain other school in Alabama.
Allegedly, the average ACT score of those accepted is higher than it was at this time this year so an increase is projected. Obviously none of this is official until September and a lot can change over the summer. It should be pointed out that, despite the economic conditions, we have more scholarship money to offer now than ever before. We really stepped up during "State of the Future."
but in reality, I think most of these kids decide where they want to go long in advance and just start filling out forms. I'd like to know how many people actually go to State b/c they didn't feel the love from ole miss.
If ole miss wants to focus on TX and Georgia and act like one day they are going to be Virginia, Jr. then that's fine by me. I'd rather be a solid value for students that are going to stay in the MS area.
If ole miss wants to focus on TX and Georgia and act like one day they are going to be Virginia, Jr. then that's fine by me. I'd rather be a solid value for students that are going to stay in the MS area.
Dont know where he got his figures but Doc said only 22 percent of the students attending the 15 Mississippi junior colleges actually attend a senior college
I was stunned by that number
He said most states the JuCo to senior college number was in the 40 to 50 percent range
He said he felt like Mississippi could get to the 45 to 50 percent range - he also said Ole Miss and USM were not targeting these people and that MSU would
I fully expected a big boost in third-year students over the next five years....MSU was targeting and setting up programs to appeal to these peoeple, encouraging them to extend the two-year degree into a four-year deal
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I was stunned by that number
He said most states the JuCo to senior college number was in the 40 to 50 percent range
He said he felt like Mississippi could get to the 45 to 50 percent range - he also said Ole Miss and USM were not targeting these people and that MSU would
I fully expected a big boost in third-year students over the next five years....MSU was targeting and setting up programs to appeal to these peoeple, encouraging them to extend the two-year degree into a four-year deal
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Not only have we made inroads into the JuCo level, but we are also expanding our reach into Memphis, Birmingham, Atlanta and Houston, TX, where we have full-time recruiters in all four cities. This is in addition to challenging UM more for Metro Jackson kids. Atlanta and Houston (Texas as a whole) are becoming big areas for MSU because UT, A&M, UGA an Tech are getting so hard to enter due to the Hope Scholarship type programs. And it is not a lack of quality, they are good students who are getting squeezed because they do not have a 36 ACT or do not fit in a minority category.
I may be way off base though. But I didn't know a single person growing up who went to a JUCO. I know lots in MS. Maybe that has something to do with why the percentages are less?
8Dog said:
Actually, we do the opposite. We've always had problems with having too high of an out of state percentage. That's why out of state tuition is about 3 times our in-state tuition. They're constantly fighting that battle, trying to raise the in-state percentage and lower the out of state percentage.
Our main problem is we have a lot of alums in Texas, Georgia, and other states, and many of them send their kids back to Ole Miss. The other problem is that we're a popular choice for a lot of kids that don't get into Georgia, Texas, or some of the other big southern schools that are really difficult to get in as an in-state student. I have a friend from Georgia that had great test scores and a high GPA, and he couldn't get in UGA because the demand was so high in-state with the lottery scholarships. He ended up at Ole Miss.
Most universities have a census date. At Auburn it is the 15th class day which is the last day drop and add but that may vary school to school.
Most universities also provide numbers via something called the "Common Data Set." You can search most university web pages and find it. It is the same data presented in the same format for all participating schools. Their date is October 15.
MSU's common data set page
Auburn's
Ole Miss's
Most universities also provide numbers via something called the "Common Data Set." You can search most university web pages and find it. It is the same data presented in the same format for all participating schools. Their date is October 15.
MSU's common data set page
Auburn's
Ole Miss's
The state's community college system is by many accounts one of the best in the nation. Last year, the Rockefeller Institute of Government rated Mississippi's community college system one of the top four in the nation-- the others being Iowa, New Mexico, and North Carolina. And since community colleges are Mississippi's workforce development agency, people who want better jobs or retraining after being laid off tend to go to community colleges.
I know MSU did (and may still offer it), but can't recall if that involved making at least a certain score on the ACT.
Out of state students are awesome because they bring more money into the system. They are a lagniappe. And Keenum has stated that to stay above this budget hell that Mississippi is about to encounter, we have to grow, not cut. Out of state students are the best way to do this, because statistically there are more students in other states looking to go to college than in Mississippi and they pay the out of state tuition. In fact, in this economy, both MSU and UM are attractive options to people from out of state, because both are relatively inexpensive for out of state students, SEC School (good athletics, fraternity/sorority system, etc) and offer a good education. Also, the state of the economy will make staying in school or going back more attractive to some, mainly in state, which could help boost graduate enrollment. However, 8Dog is right, we should not and are not abandoning the in-state student, but unfortunately the in-state student market is about tapped out sans the JuCo system.
The avg ACT score at MSU is a 23.6. That is the highest of the IHL institutions. UM is second with a 22.8. MSU has a 50% "waiver" (technically a scholarship, because MSU has to repay the state) for students of alumni who live out of state. Two years ago the JUCO system had about 67,000 students compared to the IHL universites 71,000. Now, the two are even at around 72,000. Next year the JUCO system may contain more students than the eight public universites. Also, the IHL schools report enrollment on the 10th day of class.