These quotes amaze me about our offense...

Coach34

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"I got a whole lot stronger, smarter to the game and picked up the offense. This west coast offense is a hard offense to learn. I'm still learning it." - Robert Elliot

We must have a bunch of different read routes and alot of different pass protections...our run game is not very complicated...its truly amazing how complicated one of the worst offenses in the nation every year is.
 

Coach34

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"I got a whole lot stronger, smarter to the game and picked up the offense. This west coast offense is a hard offense to learn. I'm still learning it." - Robert Elliot

We must have a bunch of different read routes and alot of different pass protections...our run game is not very complicated...its truly amazing how complicated one of the worst offenses in the nation every year is.
 

Coach34

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"I got a whole lot stronger, smarter to the game and picked up the offense. This west coast offense is a hard offense to learn. I'm still learning it." - Robert Elliot

We must have a bunch of different read routes and alot of different pass protections...our run game is not very complicated...its truly amazing how complicated one of the worst offenses in the nation every year is.
 

karlchilders.sixpack

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what can you do, ...".really" do here. 8-5 record last season, $700,000 or so pay raise. Any Viable alternatives? Like I said, we are where we are,... you, me, sixpack, ain't gonna change it, for now.
 

cowbellpresident

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than watching our offense on 1st down run (up middle and pile of dust), run on 2nd down (off tackle for a gain of three), pass on 3rd down (probably incomplete, but in the unlikely event of a completion it will be to the slowest WR for a gain one yard short of a first down)

All I ask for is average and a little thought going into the play calling - please god don't throw a fade to the shortest, slowest WR on the field and do something other than run (up the 17ing middle) on first down.
 

Todd4State

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is to simplify. Croom can still run whatever offense he wants to run, but if he does want to run the WCO, as many have said on here, he just needs to run a simplified version of it. There is no need for us to run the Packers version.
It's not like there aren't simplified versions of the WCO out there or anything.
 

williecunningham

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It does need to continue to be discussed for Peaches' sake. The poor bastard has nothing else to do than to practice for the upcoming fantasy football draft and post about how ****** Stansbury and Croom are. It must really suck to be the dullest tool in the shed.
 

patdog

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People on this board are much more pissed at Peaches for bitching about the offense than they are about the offense sucking so bad. </p>
 

patdog

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There's just not much way around it. We may as well just not talk about the defense either.</p>
 

DerHntr

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so peaches talks about it a lot. who cares? got a solution for you, do like i do when people bring up pro basketball..don't read it.

i just love it when people say "enough already" when we are actually discussing sports. we could fill the time with prayer requests and rays of sunshine like GP or best places to get a martini and sushi like Nafoom but instead we discuss sports. strange thing on a sports message board.
 

gtowndawg

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I'll try not and laugh when I type this....

Maybe it has chaged some, we just haven't seen it yet. Futuba said in the 7 on 7 drills they ran new plays. Bubble screens, more spread formations, etc.

Screw yuku.
 

Coach34

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Many here are trying so hard to believe Crooms has our program back in the middle of the SEC and he is the answer to stability. He may very well be, however there are quite a few of us here that see that Crooms has only made us marginally better by being able to bring in some defensive talent and keeping games closer. Last season was an anomaly and saved his ***. We'll see this season and next that he really is someone that cant get us past 6 wins due to his incompetence on the side of the ball that he himself controls...

And for those people that say 6 wins is all they want, shame on you. The 12 game schedule has cheapened the 6 win plateau
 

DowntownDawg

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...that seems like a pretty strong football opinion. I'm going to need to see your permission slip signed by me or Coach34 for football discussion on this board OR your MHSAA failed coaches card* or I am going to have to ask you to stop discussing football. You don't know **** about it, and I do, and that is FACT, brother, FACT.

What? You dare defy me? Do you realize what I do for this board? I post ****** in BIKINIS with FISHING POLES. Do you honestly think you can find better looking or more scantily clad women on the internet? Do you? Do you understand how important that is? What would this board be if we didn't have the "I want to go fishing with Saddawg" posts offered up every time a newbie sees my posts? They all think they are the first person to think of that, and we get to read it, every time! Do you want that to go away? I dare you to piss me off.

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*A Louisiana card may be acceptable on a case by case basis.
 
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what I'm saying is that its the same argument and the same people everyday with the same points. It gets old and stale and no I dont read it because its the same thing from yesterday, last week, and last month.
 

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Most people recognize the offense needs to improve. Stating is is like stating the obvious, but that's ok in itself. It's gets aggravating when people write off last year as a complete fluke and act as if we all need to be doom and gloom at this point. No, Sly hasn't proven himself yet. One 8 win season doesn't make a stable program, but it is a good start and a whole lot better than the previous 6 seasons. I don't care that it was ugly, we won 8 games. If you can't enjoy at 8 win season at MSU then you need help, seriously.

Again, the offense needs to get better, totally agree. I still say it would be better if we had a better playcaller, but regardless it gets old seeing people rip the offense every day since last season, including during last season. I don't care if we don't score an offensive touchdown all season long as long as we win enough games to go to a bowl game.
 

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Coach34 said:
And for those people that say 6 wins is all they want, shame on you. The 12 game schedule and the rule allowing a I-AA win to count towards bowl eligibility every year has cheapened the 6 win plateau

6-6 is the new 5-6. And if back-to-back 5-6 seasons wasn't good enough to keep Rockey around, 6-6 isn't good enough to keep a coach around today. We need to, at a minimum, expect an average of 7-5. We got that last year. But if the offense doesn't improve, we won't be able to average that many wins.</p>
 

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...This is your ultimate test as to whether you know a damn thing about the game of football:

If you had to choose, which would you pick:

a) A solid offense?

b) A solid defense?

Remember: One sells tickets & one wins games.

Seems you are always obssessed about the one that sells tickets.

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RonnyAtmosphere said:
...This is your ultimate test as to whether you know a damn thing about the game of football:

If you had to choose, which would you pick:

a) A solid offense?

b) A solid defense?

Remember: One sells tickets & one wins games.

Seems you are always obssessed about the one that sells tickets.

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I've seen this question posed to Coach plenty of times, and I can guarantee his response will be, "why can't we have both?"

And for the record, both a good defense and good offense can lead to 7-5 type seasons. The best teams have exceptional defenses and very good offenses.

Look no further than our teams under Cutcliffe or Texas Tech's teams under Leech to see that a team can consistently go to lower tier bowls with a good offense and crappy defense. If your goal is 7-5, then it doesn't really matter whether you excel at offense or defense. Exceling at either one will get you there. If your goal is SEC championships, then you better excel at one of the two and at least be better than average with the other.
 

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patdog said:
Coach34 said:
And for those people that say 6 wins is all they want, shame on you. The 12 game schedule and the rule allowing a I-AA win to count towards bowl
eligibility every year
has cheapened the 6 win plateau

6-6 is the new 5-6. And if back-to-back 5-6 seasons wasn't good enough to keep Rockey around, 6-6 isn't good enough to keep a coach around today.
We need to, at a minimum, expect an average of 7-5. We got that last year. But if the offense doesn't improve, we won't be able to average that many
wins.</p>

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I agree, though I'll add that the coaches are probably the people that are most supportive of the excessive number of bowls and the 12 game schedule that affords you the possibility of going 2-6 in conference play and still going bowling if your OOC schedule is cupcake heavy. You hear a lot of basketball coaches that say they wish they'd expand the NCAA field to 128 teams. If they were to do that, it would essentially be the equivalent of what we're seeing with the college bowl system. You can consistently go to lower tier bowls without having to have really good teams. In the 80s and early 90s, you would normally have to go 7-4 just to have a chance at a bowl, and sometimes that wasn't enough.
 

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If you took a poll you would find the large majority of the posters on this board are pissed about our lack of offense, but the majority also dont want to focus on it all the time. As much as negativity rules this board there is a ceiling for its and we are hanging out on the roof. The problem I have is, we just won 8 games (I dont give a **** who or how) we are looking at 6 wins this year and <span style="font-weight: bold;">potentially</span> building up a good base of OL/DL players while, <span style="font-weight: bold;">again potentially</span>, in the midst of signing our best recruiting class yet, with several offensive skill players. All things that point towards even more improvment.

Now, if after this season we are yet again ranked in the bottom of the SEC in offense and we dont win 6 or more games, I will be completely in line with looking for head(s) to roll. If, however, we are ranked near the bottom and we manage 6 plus games I will still be okay with our standing. Considering that we just went through the equivalent of college football fan hell for 5 years, bithching about 6 wins not being acceptable is as stupid as reminding us everyday how ****** our offense is.
 

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Coach34 said:
until something changes...change is needed

<span style="font-weight: bold;"> Ad nauseam</span> is a Latin term used to describe something that has been continuing "[to the point of] nausea."[1] For example "This topic has been discussed ad nauseam"; it has been discussed extensively and everyone is tired of it. Defined as such by the American Heritage Dictionary et al.</p>

<span style="font-weight: bold;">Argumentum ad nauseam</span> or argument from repetition or argumentum ad infinitum is an argument made repeatedly (possibly by different people) until nobody cares to discuss it anymore. This may sometimes, but not always, be a form of proof by assertion.</p>

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<span style="font-weight: bold;">It's not that your argument is not without importance or credibility, but when you can't discuss anything else you give everyone the impression that either you can't say anything else or you are just jerking chains to amuse yourself.</span> <span style="font-weight: bold;">Maybe you should wait until they actually do start playing and sucking on offense before you break out your soapbox.</span>
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"I have a kid that I coached last year that is a walkon fullback (West Almond). From talking to him all the freshmen walkons are learning right now. He told me their assignments are extremely complex and they check from one play to another depending on what the defense gives them"
 

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is I'm trying to hook up with South Panola's 9th grade football team. And in the spirit of fairness since I have no coaching experience outside of PS2/PS3, I ask that Peaches head up the Central Holmes Academy 9th grade team. If they don't have enough people to field a team, I'm willing to allow Cruger-Tchula Academy to merge with them for one game.

The first thing that I plan on doing is hiring the entire 9th grade staff at South Panola and I will allow them to do their job. Keep the same offense, defense, terminoligy, I'll just stand there and write notes, wear a headseat and a baseball hat. Kind of like Chuck Daly did with the Dream Team in 92, except with football.

I'll even buy the South Panola 9th grade team ice cream afterwards- that probably will be the only move I regret that day.
 

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I'll go with A Ronny, good offense- signed, The New England Patriots...17 wins a yr would be nice...The Patriot defense had to make a stop and keep Eli from going 70 yards to beat them and they couldnt do it...

But actually, my answer is always- why cant you have both? Why does it have to be one or the other? Why the 17 cant we be functional in both?
 

RebelBruiser

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That's basically the premise behind the WCO. It's there to help less talented personnel even the playing field against more talented teams. Essentially, everything is done off pre-snap reads, and if someone misreads the defense it doesn't work. It works well with pro ball because you get so much practice time and your whole day can be devoted to film study, etc. Also, you can get and keep players for an extended number of years. In college, it's more difficult because you only get players for 4 years, and you have limited practice time.

It can work at the college level, but you have to have smart players, and you have to run a somewhat simpler form of the offense.

I compare it a little bit to the 4-2-5 defense. The system itself is not a bad system, but it didn't work at all at Ole Miss because it required the defensive players to make a lot of pre-snap adjustments for it to be successful. And given the level of intelligence of athletes in the state of Mississippi and the lack of football smarts in the state of Mississippi, the 4-2-5 never had a chance at Ole Miss. It worked fine at a school like Western Michigan though, just as the WCO can work fine at a school like Stanford. However, I have a hard time believing the WCO will work consistently at a school like MSU.
 

Todd4State

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it took a miraculous play to pull it off. Not to take anything away from the Giants, but they were very fortunate.
 

Coach34

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i've beat SP's 9th grade with Grenada and Charleston...2-0 against them...giving me Cruger-Tchula may give you a chance...
 

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Sure the offense is likely to suck again this season, but Coach34 is going to continue to beat this topic to death, and nothing will change as long as people reply.

Let it die..
 

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My question about the WCO is if it is soooo difficult to learn then doesn't that mean that there should be a lot of different plays on the field? From my untrained eye I see the same plays over and over and over again, 2 or 3 runs up the middle, maybe a pass and then a punt. Every now and then, you see some innovative play, but that is like once or twice a game. How is that difficult to learn? Why do we even call what we do any form of offense other then up the gut twice, pass, and punt??? Seriously, can someone explain that to me? How is the WCO any different then what we have always seemed to do. Doesn't Croom know that the other coach knows that he is about to run it up the middle again?? What are the players studying so much?
 

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Coach34 said:
I'll go with A Ronny, good offense- signed, The New England Patriots...17 wins a yr would be nice...The Patriot defense had to make a stop and keep Eli from going 70 yards to beat them and they couldnt do it...

But actually, my answer is always- why cant you have both? Why does it have to be one or the other? Why the 17 cant we be functional in both?

You claim to be a coach yet you would choose a good offense over a good defense?

There are little kids who know defense is what wins you football games, not offense.

Are you realy this clueless or:

a) You just pull this stuff out of your arse so you can get attention.

b) You sincerely know nothing about football.

I'm torn on it being either A or B or both.</p>
 

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as a good defense? Teams with only one of either usually go 7-5. I thought I saw stats on that.

As for your saying, little kids also think you shouldn't swim for 30 minutes after eating, and that you'll catch a cold if you don't wear a jacket.
 

Coach34

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"There are little kids who know defense is what wins you football games, not offense"

Then explain why 19 of the top 20 scoring teams in NCAA football last season had winning records?
 

Stansfield

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Yeah, chicks in bikinis are the worse ever. I hope I never see one again! I would much rather see grown men in dog suits flying around fictional space ships when I discuss my sports!
 

Stansfield

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To call someone clueless for saying that scoring points is a way to win games is really very asinine if you ask me.