Things are working on getting ugly
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And not really Mr Teaparty, the Governor was elected to run the fvcking State, and in times of emergency they have the authority to make decisions for the greater good.
I don't know Ohio's situation. Are there people complaining about civil liberties there also?
I barely can keep up with NC's, they keep changing it. The line in the sand for me is boat ramps. If they shut those down, I'm marching on the capital.
Yes, in Ohio essential businesses are open but are forced to police how many people are in their stores at a time.
I’m still getting paid, I have a big home, a big yard, and the expanse of the Chesapeake for a view. Not too mention a 1/4 side of beef, a large deep freezer full of food and a ton of canned stuff from my in-laws. I can ride this out for 6 months if need be.
I’m not doing what I’m told, I’m doing what’s prudent because there has been very little disruption in my life. Not everyone is as fortunate as you and I. Your wife is still working. Just like Bru. We are fairly insulated from the affects of this.
Yes you do, it's just ran by a Republican which makes things different.....[winking]
There are Nutjobs in all states complaining about some ****.
look, I cherish my liberties as well. But (lab or not) this is a public health emergency, and I will give my leaders ample time to make decisions to save lives. If my liberties are curbed for a temporary time being, I will accept it as what’s best for the United States of America. If it is extended to any prolonged period of time beyond the time that the threat is prominent, then it’s the Inited States of America that is under threat, and I will act accordingly to make certain those liberties are not lost.
it’s been a month, geez.
Nope, not at all. If I were in Ohio, and he closed the ramps, I'd be marching then also.
That's the difference. I don't rely on government to make decisions for me. Recommend all they want, but it's my life, not their's.
Governments today say we are open for business.....do you think that matters at all? Businesses and people are the ones that decide when the economy is turned back on.
Enough it enough. It's time. Open things back up. Roll the dice.
If news of this "virus" never got out, how many would account their symptoms as "seasonal allergies" or a cold? Maybe the flu? Then we start seeing death rates go up and think "wow, this is a bad flu season". The elderly extremely affected by dying of pneumonia. Of which we all would say "they lived a good life".
My point, albeit very callous (I agree), we are living in fear of something that would be looked at as "normal" if the stories we are being reported about daily wouldn't be about DEATH DEATH DEATH, when a VERY small amount of people are dying.
As I've stated, it's not like I'm young and not like I don't have elderly parents and a wife that is diabetic. There are risks. But folks, you can't stop viruses. They will find a way.
Is SARS cured? What about MERS? West Nile? Ebola? Flesh eating bacteria in lakes and waterways? Have they stopped boating and swimming in these waterways until they get rid of the bacteria? Nope. It's called "enter at your own risk".
Ok, now you may blast me.
I have no doubt. I’m out in the community doing what I can for those less fortunate. I assure you, there are options for people less fortunate right now. If not, then those leaders in those states (and communities) should be organizing that help. If not, then I understand the anger and frustration.
You can’t ask Governors to make decisions they feel will cost lives, because people feel emasculated or have some ill-founded notion that individual liberties are gone forever unless they fight.
That's not entirely true. They're mandating non-essential businesses be closed. I saw that a dog grooming shop was mandated essential business in NC. The decision-making process is so arbitrary.
Yes, consumers will decide when they venture back out into the wilderness. I do already with mask and sanitizer, but government has a hand in it too.
Wut?
Most of the impacted are services people. They’re also the ones who need to work and earn the most.
That’s great that you’re doing that. Understand that some folks don’t want to be taken care of. They’d rather face the virus than the helplessness and reliance on Govt.
And what about the lives they are potentially devastating by closing things down? We are protecting 5-10% of the population, but will end up hurting the future and lives of 40-60% others by losing their jobs, potentially permanently........and their loved ones that we are "protecting"..........
And frankly, this is an academic discussion as far as I’m concerned. I’m not marching on anything. The only thing I’m doing is putting hollow points in a motherfvcker who oversteps my boundary lines.
Awwww....you are such a big boy aren’t you?....Bullsh1t, you rely on your government to decisions for you every fvcking day! You having anything to do with where we position our naval fleet would scare the piss out of me. I think you’re pretty smart, but I don’t you (or me) making decisions about interest rates, or spy assignments abroad. I mean, come on, we elect our officials, the represent our interests in matters of government, and that’s what a Democratic Republic is.
I can guarantee none of these Governors wanted to make these decisions, their economies being thrashed isn’t exactly a positive for their re-election cause. We are just going to say “screw it” to all the information they received that led them to make these calls?
Big Government should not be making our personal decisions. Protecting us, our freedom and our liberties is its job.
To me, that’s the “doomsday” Bullsh1t. That’s the “what if” problem compared to the problem that’s here now. Personally, I will do what’s best for my health, regardless of orders, and I think you guys are going **** around and extend this **** much longer than it needed to be. We still don’t know for sure if it can reinfect. Think about that for a second.
Then the next threat that comes after 1% of the population, you will be ok with disrupting everything for the other 99%?
Those are the things that government has the right to decide. They are making decisions now that they do not have the right to make. You accept it. Some do not.
And the death rates from the "computer models" are exactly the "what if" definition. You are a smart man, you don't see this? Can you guarantee that what we are doing is going to make things better next November? Before a vaccine.....IF THERE IS A VACCINE.
How's the vaccine for SARS doing? What about MERS? Flesh eating bacteria? Ebola?
So when people lose their jobs, and they cannot afford the essentials for LIFE, what then?
I think it’s been a month. I think people needed to shift their focus, settle down, and enjoy their loved ones for a short period of time. I think we could have been in much better shape at this point, but this is where we are at now.
In a state of emergency, they absolutely have the right to make these decisions.
Again, that's your "projection". It also could be argued that we could have shut down less, exposed the virus to more, develop the antibodies to fight it, and be done with it by June.
EDIT: I'm still waiting for you to tell me about those vaccines for the other viruses and how effective they've been and how we've disrupted life for them.......which are more deadly.
No, they do not have the right to take away 1A, as done in Raleigh a few days ago. They were following personal space protocols, as the state said they would allow. Then shut them down anyways.
I think mitigation worked, and that’s why the models changed. I think it needs to continue to work. How long? Hopefully not long. If it’s found that this virus cannot reinfect, then I’d be more in favor of relaxing measures. If treatment is found, even more so. A vaccine would be wonderful, but I’m not banking on it.
we need: 1- to know if it reinfects 2- ability to test accurately on a large scale 3- containment measures in place for positive test results
Only then can we assure ourselves this won’t destroy the economy again, once rebuilt.
See? You’re trying to think for other people. That’s not what most of us want. That’s not individual liberty.
Again, you "think" it worked. We don't know. It could also be running its course and nothing we did/do will make a damn of difference. All I know is that this is going to create a much bigger situation for the next several years or longer. And it's happening during an election year, which means this is being politicized (by BOTH sides) which will make it even worse!
Uh Oh. You may have another secret virus that there's not treatment for or vaccine. Time to shut down more ****.