Things I don't understand about Stansbury

TheBigDA

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1) He calls/dosen't call timeouts at the oddest times. Everyone watching hump/home can see/feel a run coming and he does nothing. We get on one and he calls a timeout to kill it.

2) The substitution pattern. The times at which he puts people in and takes people out.

3) The playing rotation. Do they just call downs on the bench and that's who goes in next?

4) A player can be on fire and he doesn't switch matchups until they guy has 23.

5) No teams ever have the killer mentality. They play to the level of the competition and never go out looking to just give a beat down.

Edit: Forgot one: 6) Why take the ball out of Bost's hands most of the 2nd half, and let Barry bring it up. I thought Bost stepping on the gas during transition was our new bread and butter.

Random rant: Someone burn the music guy in the hump some new CDs and give him a $1 so he'll have a clue when to play them.
 

TheBigDA

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1) He calls/dosen't call timeouts at the oddest times. Everyone watching hump/home can see/feel a run coming and he does nothing. We get on one and he calls a timeout to kill it.

2) The substitution pattern. The times at which he puts people in and takes people out.

3) The playing rotation. Do they just call downs on the bench and that's who goes in next?

4) A player can be on fire and he doesn't switch matchups until they guy has 23.

5) No teams ever have the killer mentality. They play to the level of the competition and never go out looking to just give a beat down.

Edit: Forgot one: 6) Why take the ball out of Bost's hands most of the 2nd half, and let Barry bring it up. I thought Bost stepping on the gas during transition was our new bread and butter.

Random rant: Someone burn the music guy in the hump some new CDs and give him a $1 so he'll have a clue when to play them.
 

MM4MSU

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Rick is a great person and recruiter, but a very average coach. His substitution patterns make no sense at all. For those of you around in the 60's and 70's, remember HS coaches such as Coyte Vance, JN Brock, Durwood Smith and others from Central MS....these coaches were great and knew when to substitute, call time outs, etc. Our team wins on talent and individual play alone, certainly not because of Rick's coaching. I know h is loyal and does not plan to leave, but fact he is Never mentioned for other jobs speaks volumes. He also obviously plays favoriteswith players, and has all along. I'm proud of our win tonight, but expectations for this year need to be to get beyond one and done in NCAA.

Michael M
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Dawgbreeze

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Another clueless basketball observer comes forward. We played Osby 17 minutes and what hurt us was Powell and we had nobody to guard him. By the way, the best high school basketball coaches in the 60's and 70's were Bert Jenkins at Gulfport and Sam Hollingsworth at Hattiesburg but this isn't high school and we aren't deep enough inside or at point guard to route many folks with depth in this league.
 

ArrowDawg

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Surprised to see you posting Michael. I hope you're doing well.

I mostly agree with what you said, but I'm still a Stans supporter due to the overall job he's done with this program. I think he's fine as the head man, but it's possible he could use a better assistant staff.
 

HD6

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but I will say the guy guarding Bost wasn't letting him breathe. He may owe Dee a dinner or something, they were intimate. I think Stewart was just given more room to operate with his guy, so he ran the point. But you are right, substitutions remain odd, and we never seem to manage the flow of the game very well.
 

futaba.79

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half the damn team had thier chance at Powell, we just couldn't stop him.

Rick didn't take the ball out of Dee's hands, Ark did a much better job on him. I supposed we could have forced it to him but instead got it to the open man - Barry.

He called TO's when he should have.

Our best 5 can't play 40 minutes. Ark has more depth, Stans rotated to match up, but I'm not surprised you didn't catch that.
 

MM4MSU

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I just have never been impressed with him as a bench coach. I'm 60 years old and worst coach in my lifetime was Jim Hatfield. Totally ruined Greg Grim, from my original hometown of Florence. I agree with many others who believe Rick needs a top notch x and o assistant coach; but he would likely be too stubborn to take advice from a "subbordinate." I'm certainly not ptoposing we get rid of him, but it is frustrating that we are not getting maximum productivity.

Michael M
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ArrowDawg

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MM4MSU said:
I just have never been impressed with him as a bench coach. I'm 60 years old and worst coach in my lifetime was Jim Hatfield. Totally ruined Greg Grim, from my original hometown of Florence. I agree with many others who believe Rick needs a top notch x and o assistant coach; but he would likely be too stubborn to take advice from a "subbordinate." I'm certainly not ptoposing we get rid of him, but it is frustrating that we are not getting maximum productivity.

Michael M
(MSU '73)

I knew that. I think I sort of know a few things about you. Seems like it's been a hundred years since the "good 'ol days."
 

TheBigDA

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I didn't say we didn't try different people on Powell but the switches didn't happen till after he hit 20.

You have a valid point on Dee, and it is good to get him a breather. However, you can also screen and pick in the back court to get people open.

So Stans should have called that TO late in the second half when we starting to make our run? It was around the 4 minute mark. After UPig had cut it down to around 6 we started opening the lead back up and Stans called a TO to kill it.

Who's fault is it we don't have more depth? The players or the coach?

All that said, let it be known I do support Stans if for no other reason he is the head ball coach at MSU. However, I do have the right to question him as a dual graduate and supporter of MSU. With your logic no one should question Obama just because he is the President.</p>
 

Faustdog

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No need to worry if you're making legitimate points, and you don't make running down as successful a coach as we've ever had your life's work.
 

gravedigger

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How do other teams erase our 3 point shooting?

How has Kentucky whipped everyones *** for years?

Defense. smothering, choking, rhythm breaking you cant breath defensive pressure.

Why don't we? Not hard. SOME of our kids are too enamoured with staying in the game to score that they don't want to risk the extra foul that would land them on the bench.

It's why Richard Williams teams looked like such scoring gurus, but that just wasnt the magic. It was defense. 40 minutes of hell in Arkansas heyday wasnt about scoring, it was about pressing. That is why the Loyola Marymount offense hasnt been really repeated. Relying on it doesnt work in the long run.

And why Stewart is more valuable than most realize.
 

DawgNsuds

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"make a freakin free throw". I'm just saying!

But seriously remember the days when there were guys like Steve Alford out there that shot like 90% from the line?
 

AssEndDawg

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1) He calls/dosen't call timeouts at the oddest times. Everyone watching hump/home can see/feel a run coming and he does nothing. We get on one and he calls a timeout to kill it.

<span style="font-weight: bold;">- I think this is a valid criticism of Stansbury. He has never been good at using timeouts to stop a run. He tends to hold them until the end of the game and then just use them to give his players a breather.</span>

2) The substitution pattern. The times at which he puts people in and takes people out.

<span style="font-weight: bold;">- Two things here: 1) A lot goes on during a game that people in the stands or watching on TV don't know about. People hit knee to knee, get poked in the eye, maybe the ankle you sprained in practice is bothering you, a compression sleeve is rubbing, hands are too dry, pissed off at yourself for a mistake. You name it, I've seen it happen. 2) You have to let these guys get used to playing together. You can't stick to a rigid rotation unless you are deep in the bench. A good portion of playing basketball at a high level is about knowing what your teammates are going to do without having to see them do it. The only way you get that is by playing together.</span>

3) The playing rotation. Do they just call downs on the bench and that's who goes in next?

<span style="font-weight: bold;">- See #2</span>

4) A player can be on fire and he doesn't switch matchups until they guy has 23.

<span style="font-weight: bold;">- Do you take your best defender off the second highest scorer in the nation to shut down a freshman? Yeah, the guy was on fire but you gotta think the reason he was getting the ball so much is because we were shutting down Arkansas best player. Arkansas made some incredible shots that game. That and their ability to get and hold position was damned impressive. They gave us the best they had and we played a mediocre game. Guess what? We still won.</span>

5) No teams ever have the killer mentality. They play to the level of the competition and never go out looking to just give a beat down.

<span style="font-weight: bold;">- It's a long season. If you really believe this you are a @!%$*%+ idiot. We aren't going to play like world beaters every single night. If you save your worst games for your worst opponents and win, you are doing something right.</span>

Edit: Forgot one: 6) Why take the ball out of Bost's hands most of the 2nd half, and let Barry bring it up. I thought Bost stepping on the gas during transition was our new bread and butter.

<span style="font-weight: bold;">- First off, Rick didn't take it out of Bost's hands, Arkansas defense did. They were blanketing him. It was obvious their game plan was to not let Bost beat them. Good plan. They played extended defense on Bost the entire game and when we put them in position to make a defensive choice they always chose to stay with Bost. They flat out covered his ***. But if Rick were going to take it out of his hands it could have something to do with the fact that he was shooting somewhere around 30% from the free throw line tonight. It was an off night for him but you can't have him holding the ball in a sure foul situation.</span> <br style="font-weight: bold;">

Most of the douchbags on this board (and you DA are the biggest douchebag of all) haven't so much as coached a pee-wee team. These aren't robots out there doing what Stansbury programs them to do. I can't tell you how many times I looked at a kid and asked, "what the hell was that?" and half the time even he doesn't know why he did it. There are so many stupid little things that come up and every night it's a fluid situation. At then end of the day a win is a win. I don't give a crap if it's by 2 or 20.
 

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DawgNsuds said:
"make a freakin free throw". I'm just saying!

But seriously remember the days when there were guys like Steve Alford out there that shot like 90% from the line?
Travis. Ford.
Billy. McCaffrey

It was sick watching those guys simply not miss. I'm shocked Bost was hitting 77%.

Still, our guards played fine tonight. Barry had one of the best defensive games I've seen him have in a while on Lil' Country out there.
 

stannottheman

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Really.... Can we please just run one play other than rick twirling his finger in the air which results in running the clock and turning the ball over. I mean seriously do we even have a play? We all know what's going to happen, Dee takes the ball at the top and Jarvis comes for a screen and then they just hope for the best considering the other three players don't even move. Also we know that Dee can take it to the rim but when he is trying to get an isolation everyone seems to like to stand close to the paint causing the defenders to easily stop penetration. How about some off the ball screens sometime, I know it's a lot to ask for when you got nothing but players that balled in the street all there life (not all but most)... It's common ground for state to start off slow and finish strong, but it is clear that the only reasons for slow starts is other teams are well coached while our's is just learning how to play with each other because they don't have a coach to teach them and they eventually start figuring it out in the end... Not to mention do they even shoot free throws at practice???
 

HD6

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we literally have not discussed them ever. I'm excited another fresh viewpoint will be in the mix now.
 

Agentdog

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You guys touched on most of the things I thought last night.

But I will add what another poster said. This team plays very ****** defense. Well, really not team, but about 2 or 3. Augustus, Johnson, and Osby did nothing defensively and that allowed them to come back. The freshman going for 20+. Then Bost getting little help on Fortson until he was under the basket.

Another thing......I hate to call a guy out but damn. What the 17 does Benock bring to the court? You can tell he is timid with the ball and does nothing more than add a body on defense. There is no reason....NONE! That Phil Turner should not be getting Benock's minutes. I don't want to hear any BS about practicing hard or playing denfense. Turner is a better defender, rebounder, and shooter. I don't get it. Turner should start running his mouth to the papers and being a dick......maybe that would get him minutes.

One more. The team got very sloppy offensively with the big lead. A few guys started throwing up contested, off balance shots. That was a big reason they came back too. Stewart while he did a good job on Clarke. He or Stans or both needs to realize that he is a spot up shooter. His dribble drive, pull up short/step back behind the line, fade away with the 6" verticle is terrible. If he isn't receiving the ball while spotted up, he doesn't need to be shooting. Ravern and Bost should be the 1 and 2 go to guys for 3 pt shots. Augustus too.......he needs to quit being so lazy and go to the rack. Unless he is left wide open, we got enough 3pt shooters.

Anyway........SOS
 
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TheBigDA said:
6) Why take the ball out of Bost's hands most of the 2nd half, and let Barry bring it up. I thought Bost stepping on the gas during transition was our new bread and butter.

especially late in the second half. It seemed pretty obvious that it made a difference in his shot and his free throw shooting down the stretch. I did find myself wondering, why with 4 minutes or so left he didn't sub Phil in for him and let him try and get the cramp worked out for a minute or so.
 

fishwater99

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<div> Glad we avoided the let down loss last night, good job... Stans let Ark back in the game, by not calling a TO after they hit that first 3 pointer on the 11-2 run in the second half, that was horrible coaching and nothing new. It was good to see Osby getting PT at the 3 & 4, we need him to step up big-time, now if he can just play a little better on the defensive end of the floor. Randy did a great job on defense once again, if we can just get him to stop shooting in the second half. We shot less three pointers, had 14 turnovers to Ark's 11, only made 20 of 30 free throws and still win the game. It looked like Bost had some problems with cramping or his hammy, hope he is okay. I'll take the win to go 2-0 in the SEC, along with my first half cover... Go Dawgs.. </div>
 

Stormrider81

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Get roasted by the pro-Stans crowd? You make it sound like people to who don't support firing Stansbury at this juncture sit around waiting for even the most sublime criticism of Stansbury so we can jump on said poster.

If one makes legitimate criticisms of Stansbury without jumping overboard I don't the least problem with it.
 

sleepy dawg

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fishwater99

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Stormrider81 said:
Get roasted by the pro-Stans crowd? You make it sound like people to who don't support firing Stansbury at this juncture sit around waiting for even the most sublime criticism of Stansbury so we can jump on said poster.

If one makes legitimate criticisms of Stansbury without jumping overboard I don't the least problem with it.
Yeah right, I know better than that....
I don't want Stans to be fired, I just want him to coach better or hire someone else to help him. We let Ark back in the game, by not calling a TO after they hit that first 3 pointer on the 11-2 run in the second half, that was horrible coaching and nothing new from Stans.
 

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[b said:
Agentdog[/b]]Well, really not team, but about 2 or 3. Augustus, Johnson,
don't think Kodi or Ravern are capable of playing defense. Kodi isn't bad at times, but Ravern is horrible. He usually lets his guy blow right by to the hoop which ends up taking JV off his man for an easy putback/layup.