This baseball season cannot get over soon enough....

[Toag Redloh]

if nothing else just to shut up all the Cohen haters simply because they won't be able to complain. It blows my mind here, Gene's, and everywhere else where our idiot fans are actually complaining about how this baseball season is going. **** I'm worried that Cohen might actually see how many morons we have in Starkville and take another gig somewhere else. I don't remember LSU fans giving Maneiri this kind of hell 3 years ago when he was struggling. They had the good sense to see the big picture.</p>

Alabama football fans didn't go too far overboard either in Saban's first year. I guess we can't comprehend the fact that we have a proven head coach with an outstanding resume who WILL win sooner rather than later.</p>

 

[Toag Redloh]

if nothing else just to shut up all the Cohen haters simply because they won't be able to complain. It blows my mind here, Gene's, and everywhere else where our idiot fans are actually complaining about how this baseball season is going. **** I'm worried that Cohen might actually see how many morons we have in Starkville and take another gig somewhere else. I don't remember LSU fans giving Maneiri this kind of hell 3 years ago when he was struggling. They had the good sense to see the big picture.</p>

Alabama football fans didn't go too far overboard either in Saban's first year. I guess we can't comprehend the fact that we have a proven head coach with an outstanding resume who WILL win sooner rather than later.</p>

 

[rugbdawg]

UK. Yea, I know that sounds crazy but UK is horrible, just like us. If we get the sweep, we are right back in the thick of things to make the tourney.

As for the Guv cup today, we have absolutely no shot unless Bowen is on. And I mean that, absolutely NO shot.

 

[Toag Redloh]

but you're right about the pitching. Maybe Bowen is in their head after the pwnage he put on them last year.

 

[615dawg]

that is completely happy with Polk/Croom. Sure, they enjoy when we have success, but they have a woe is MState attitude.

To be completely honest, LSU, Georgia and others in the SEC passed us in baseball 20 years ago when Georgia won the national championship, followed by five in 10 years from LSU. Yes, we did get baseball on the radar in the SEC and somewhat nationally, but we sat there doing the same things we did in the 80s while everyone else was gearing toward the future. Hell, Vanderbilt was ranked #1 in baseball for most of the season just a couple of years back. Outside those two weeks in 2006 (and we know how that turned out) we had not been ranked #1 since 1989.

Football wise, we simply have never been a serious contender. We have had patches of success, and noteworthy that the 1997-2000 great years we had, the best we did was a division championship and a Cotton Bowl. Then we went back to our doormat position and some fans were fine with that. The troublemakers are the young fans, you know.

When the basketball team went to the Final Four, it created more excitement than ever for Mississippi State. People started following MState that had never followed before. A new generation of fans. Those fans were on board during the 1997-2000 football seasons and they were hooked on MSU - they had never known the 3-8 seasons and getting whitewashed on the road in the SEC. Thats what this section of the fanbase hates - the fans that expect success.

That section of the fanbase is firmly pissed that we have shown signs of joining the rest of the SEC, there are some people kicking and screaming.

 

[RebelBruiser]

Bukvich is very hittable if he isn't getting the ball down. He's decent when he can keep the ball down, but his stuff isn't good enough for him to be able to get away with leaving the ball up. He threw BP to Bama in the Sunday game because he wasn't getting the ball down.

 

[Toag Redloh]

that's the simplest way to put it, and the simplest way to make your voice be heard.

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

It blows my mind here, Gene's, and everywhere else where our idiot fans are actually complaining about how this baseball season is going.

If you are going to attack genespage, don't make a post that looks like it comes right off genespage.

So you are going to be the school marm that wags an angry finger at everybody who is pissed about this catastrophe of a baseball season? Good luck with getting your class of ner'-do-wells to comply.

I agree with you on one thing: This baseball season can't end soon enough. It can't end soon enough because the longer it goes on, the bigger embarrassment it is to Miss. State University.

 

[Toag Redloh]

is for our AD to make competent decisions that puts our programs in a position to be successful. We've done that in all our Big 3 sports. Good, competent coaches with good resumes have been put in place. We're aren't going backwards and driving square pegs into round holes like we were doing a couple of years ago.

There's a difference in bitching about Polk/Croom than there is about Cohen/Mullen. You're an idiot if you can't see that difference.

 

[Indndawg]

We'll prolly be seeded badly, but I think we get in.

From there, who knows.....just remember 07

 

[Todd4State]

there is no guarantee that our bullpen can get them out. I'm more worried about the bullpen than anything. I guess the silver lining- if you can call it that- is that Moore and Crosswhite should be available.

I'll tell you what worries me- and I'm going to go ahead and say this before it looks like sour grapes. If Charlie McElroy is the home plate umpire, we are screwed. He is horrible. His strike zone is small and inconsistent. That would be a VERY bad thing for Bowen. He is the jackass that did the first Governor's Cup that lasted until 2:00 AM because he obviously didn't have anything better to do. The biggest reason we won was because Polk put in Weatherford who could throw gas right down the middle and could throw it past people.

 

[maroonmania]

I was just thinking, could you imagine LSU fans ragging on Manieri for chewing out a ballplayer or letting a few foul words fly. Most of that bunch would probably want to why their coach WASN'T cussing at his players if he didn't think they were giving a full out effort or following instructions.

 

[maroonmania]

but this team is several notches below our 07 team talent wise. Heck, if Cohen had our 07 team, no way would we have NOT been hosting the first round regional we had to play at FSU.

 

[Todd4State]

Skip Bertman cussing out his pitcher ON THE MOUND. Don't think anyone had a real problem with it.

Funny thing- I've seen some people on other boards say that they want to win, just not like Skip Bertman. I'll say this- I would. I'll take five National Championships ANY day of the week.

 

[rebfan04]

like you usually do.

Explain to me how Cohen has an "outstanding resume." His resume is decent, but I wouldn't say outstanding. He had a good program at UK, but nothing spectacular. He won the SEC one year (yes I know its not something Bianco has done...), but has yet to win a regional. I would think you would have to at least advance to one Super before you could claim that you had a great resume, and claiming to have an "outstanding resume" would require hosting several regionals and at least one Super.

Adding to that, UK is terrible the year after he left. Now, that could be due to the players or the coach, nobody knows, but so far almost everything this year at MSU has been blamed on Polk's recruiting, so it would seem to follow the same logic for UK. Nobody can know for sure, of course, but I'm just trying to follow the same logic.

Now, flame on, I guess...unless you want to actually discuss something like a rational human being.

 

[8dog]

really has nothing to do with coaching (except of course for the boneheaded move of throwing your ace against a 4).

Hell, Tim Corbin did a great job of building a Vandy team 2 years ago that was the no. 1 seed. They didn't get out of regionals. It doesn't mean he didn't do a great job.

Its like when people dog Bianco for not making it to Omaha...what in the hell did he do to cost ole miss the 3 supers they've played in? nothing.

Its laughable that someone would require a coach to win a regional in 5 years at KY to prove himself. Its like getting mad at Stans b/c he hasn't been to a Sweet 16 and therefore, hasn't done a great job at State.

 

[Toag Redloh]

<p class="">Coaching Honors <br class="">1998 - Southland Conference Coach of the Year <br class=""> 2001 - Southland Conference Coach of the Year <br class=""> 2005 - USA Baseball National Team
2006 - SEC/ABCA South Region Coach of the Year <br class=""> 2006 - National Coach of the Year <br class=""> <br class=""> </p> <p class="">Coaching Year-by-Year
Year School Position Record Note
1992 Missouri assistant coach 34-22 <br class=""> 1993 Missouri assistant coach 30-19 <br class=""> 1994 Missouri assistant coach 32-26 <br class=""> 1995 Missouri assistant coach 19-34
1996 Missouri assistant coach 39-19 NCAA Regional
1997 Missouri assistant coach 31-27
1998 Northwestern State head coach 40-20 Southland Champions
1999 Northwestern State head coach 38-21
2000 Northwestern State head coach 30-26
2001 Northwestern State head coach 38-17 Southland Champions
2002 Florida assistant coach 37-21-1 NCAA Regional
2003 Florida assistant coach 46-19 NCAA Regional
2004 Kentucky head coach 24-30
2005 Kentucky head coach 29-27
2006 Kentucky head coach 44-17 NCAA Regional, SEC Champions
2007 Kentucky head coach 39-19-1
2008 Kentucky head coach 44-19 NCAA Regional </p> <p class="">Looks pretty damn good to me and only a Grade A dumbass biased rebel would disagree. Every coach has to prove himself at lesser schools first before their big gig. Doesn't take 17 years of athletic excellence to see that.</p> <p class=""></p>

 

[rebfan04]

But that's not what makes an "outstanding resume."

Like I said, in my opinion, an "outstanding resume" would include at least doing SOMETHING of note in the postseason...which John Cohen has yet to accomplish.

 

[patdog]

What about that isn't impressive?

 

[Coach34]

National Coach of the Year is pretty impressive on a resume'...You can only get that for doing your job better than anybody else did for that season. And he got that honor even though he didnt advance past a regional- thats what an impressive job he did getting Kentucky to win the SEC

 

[wpnetdawg]

I have no problem with Bertman being mean to his players, cussing them, and such stuff as that. I believe you practice the players into the ground, yell at them, etc. to get the best out of them. They're grown. They can handle it or transfer.

However, the performance "enhancement" and the absolute and repeated disregard for pitching arms are sacrifices I am not sure are worth making in the name of victory.

I am not one to say we should go totally by the book and am not naive enough to not understand that everyone cheats. There are generally accepted guidelines -- an unofficial framework (for lack of a better term) that teams adhere to. I think, by and large, Bertman blew that clean out of the water.

 

[patdog]

And speaking of posteason success, even Polk II (the worst period in our baseball history) had more CWS appearances than Bianco has in his career.

 

[DCReb.sixpack]

Where most Ole Miss fans would like remind you that Rod Barnes won a National Coach of the Year award as well.

I'm not saying that Cohen will or won't be a good baseball coach at State, I just don't think an award given be writers would be a good indicator.

 

[Croomp]

and in the running for National Coach of the year ...that one didn't settle.

 

[Coach34]

I'd remind you that Rod Barnes wasnt that bad of a coach...Rod Barnes was however, a ****** recruiter.

And Crooms COY award was a sympathy award and a part of Affirmative Action. Him winning it over the the Coach of the National Champion was ridiculous.

 

[rebfan04]

You could go undefeated in baseball regular season and not win the regional, and most would consider it a failure....which they should.

Cohen does have a better resume than Bianco did when he was hired...but I'm not sure where you're going with that conversation. You're comparing two schools with complete polar opposites in tradition and fan support at the time of the hires. MSU could pack 10K in a big weekend right now...Ole Miss would've been lucky to get 2K at the time.

Again, he has a decent resume. But nothing, to me, screams "outstanding." I'd wait until he at least wins a regional before claiming he will be a great coach.

 

[KennyB]

obviously his resume isn't outstanding considering he has crashed and burned in the post season.

 

[rebfan04]

He took a program with one CWS appearance 30 years prior and turned them into a top current program, hosting more regionals in the last 6 years than any other SEC team, hosting more Supers (that means he won the regional, as compared to Cohen not winning his...) than any other SEC team in the last 6 years, winning a SEC Tourney Championship, and being to more Supers than any other SEC team over the last 6 years.

Yes, he has yet to make it to Omaha, and he will be held accountable either after this year or next if he doesn't, but I'd hardly call that "flaming out" in the postseason when you're trying to compare it to Cohen's post-season resume.

 

[SolidDog]

Would compare Cohen to Bianco.. and if they try they should be banned. But you shouldn't compare Ole Miss baseball with Kentucky baseball either...

Ole Miss has at least 5 or 6 SEC titles, numerous postseason appearances and CWS appearances... and honestly wasn't that bad before Bianco. He's definitely taken them to the next level.

Kentucky has one SEC title (2006 -Cohen), their next best season was 2nd place in 1949, mostly 6th in the EAST every single year if you look back... They have 4 regionals in history (one host -2006) and were never higher than a 3 seed before 2006(although they did beat MSU in the 2nd game of a regional in 1949).

I don't think Cohen is the next Bertman (or even Bianco) but remember Bianco didn't host a regional until his 4th season at Ole Miss... Let's not call Cohen completely washed up just yet he'll have access to plenty of resources and he's proven to be a good recruiter in the past.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

he took a team with one CWS appearance in 30 years and has taken them to the CWS zero times? Impressive.

 

[rebfan04]

I said that Cohen's resume isn't "oustanding," and asked how you could consider it outstanding. I only compared them in the last post because you asked me about Bianco's resume.

I didn't say that Cohen was "washed up" or any such nonsense. I just don't understand those that say he has a great resume...when its really just average with a CHANCE to be something good, especially at a place with as many resources and as much tradition in baseball as MSU.

 

[SolidDog]

I didn't say anybody was outstanding. I also don't think bianco would have done what he has done at Ole Miss if he was at UK.

 

[rebfan04]

As to this moment, there is nothing that you can quantify in the big picture of Cohen's resume being "outstanding."

Bianco's wasn't outstanding when he came to Ole Miss.

Cohen has a good chance to make his "outstanding" while at MSU...but as of right now, it is not "outstanding." I think it is decent.

 

[spacecataz]

I think the point of this whole argument is this: Considering where Cohen was at and what he accomplished there, many would see that as "outstanding". At the very least "pretty damn impressive".

 

[Todd4State]

He took a program with one CWS appearance 30 years prior and turned them into a top current program, hosting more regionals in the last 6 years than any other
SEC team, hosting more Supers (that means he won the regional, as compared to Cohen not winning his...) than any other SEC team in the last 6 years, winning a
SEC Tourney Championship, and being to more Supers than any other SEC team over the last 6 years.

Yes, he has yet to make it to Omaha, and he will be held accountable either after this year or next if he doesn't, but I'd hardly call that
"flaming out" in the postseason when you're trying to compare it to Cohen's post-season resume.

that Ole Miss will fire Bianco for not going to Omaha this year or next? All Bianco has to do is keep going to a regional and he's set.