This can't be good midwar / not war.

dpic73

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No Secretary of the Army. No permanent Army Chief of Staff — Hegseth fired Gen. Randy George in April with no explanation.

And we’re in the middle of a war and perhaps the biggest transformation in land warfare in generations.

So who exactly is running the Army?

The serious people keep leaving or getting fired.

Meanwhile, Pete Hegseth is giving political stump speeches in Iowa and bringing internet trolls into the Pentagon.

This isn’t serious leadership. It’s chaos, and America is much weaker for it.
 

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No Secretary of the Army. No permanent Army Chief of Staff — Hegseth fired Gen. Randy George in April with no explanation.

And we’re in the middle of a war and perhaps the biggest transformation in land warfare in generations.

So who exactly is running the Army?

The serious people keep leaving or getting fired.

Meanwhile, Pete Hegseth is giving political stump speeches in Iowa and bringing internet trolls into the Pentagon.

This isn’t serious leadership. It’s chaos, and America is much weaker for it.



Even worse, he found time to install military influencers https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...installs-military-influencers-civilian-roles/

but, at 6 or 7 bases all had their freezers die in a single weekend. 18 seem to be impacted over the weekend, all connect online. However only 6 had all the frozen food spoiled. Im sure it's not Hegseth's fault, but you have to wonder, why does all the bad stuff happen to him? Just weird.
 

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C’mon guys. Can’t you tell how good this is for America? We are clearly winning by removing the people who disagree with Hegseth and Trump.

We only need yes men when dealing with hard complicated problems.

Also, the emperor looks exceptional in his new clothes.
 

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Im sure he wasn't very good at his job anyways so no big loss.
while I normally ignore these kinds of posts from people who have no idea of what they are talking about..have never served, never been in the Pentagon..and have no idea of military culture (I apologize up front if there are posters on this thread who have), but in this instance, while I don't agree with the "no yes men, coup, revolution" and other seemingly unknowing posts, I have to admit that the underlying question "who's running the Army?" is a valid one.

To be clear, given that the Army is built for war fighting and that there are casualties, a next leader up mentality exists, so someone has stepped into the leadership role, be it the undersecretary or deputy chief of staff. But, when you get into a situation where the senior civilian and senior military position are both vacant that sort of gives an indication that something is wrong.

Admittedly, unlike some who appear, or think, they know exactly what's happening, I don't have any inside information, and while I know that the system still functions, it has to be unsettling for the rank and file especially in the middle of this "war". I don't know if Hegseth is the reason, but he's the man in charge, and he's responsible for everything his unit does or fails to do.
 

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while I normally ignore these kinds of posts from people who have no idea of what they are talking about..have never served, never been in the Pentagon..and have no idea of military culture (I apologize up front if there are posters on this thread who have), but in this instance, while I don't agree with the "no yes men, coup, revolution" and other seemingly unknowing posts, I have to admit that the underlying question "who's running the Army?" is a valid one.

To be clear, given that the Army is built for war fighting and that there are casualties, a next leader up mentality exists, so someone has stepped into the leadership role, be it the undersecretary or deputy chief of staff. But, when you get into a situation where the senior civilian and senior military position are both vacant that sort of gives an indication that something is wrong.

Admittedly, unlike some who appear, or think, they know exactly what's happening, I don't have any inside information, and while I know that the system still functions, it has to be unsettling for the rank and file especially in the middle of this "war". I don't know if Hegseth is the reason, but he's the man in charge, and he's responsible for everything his unit does or fails to do.


Well then I guess you can pay attention since based on your litmus, I know what Im talking about.

 
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I don't know if Hegseth is the reason, but he's the man in charge, and he's responsible for everything his unit does or fails to do.
Everything Hegseth does screams incompetence and toadyism. Maybe not the only reason but definitely a big reason.

He should be impeached and removed from office at the very least. I don't know if he has actually committed crimes or treason - I suspect so - but I bet he asks for a pardon from Trump if he's stripped of his office.
 

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I normally ignore these kinds of posts from people who have no idea of what they are talking about..have never served, never been in the Pentagon..and have no idea of military culture....
This is getting tiresome.

In exactly what ways does your stale knowledge from decades-old service make you more expert than those of us who pay attention and do the research? Nothing you have said so far about how the military functions is unknown to reasonably-informed people.

Maybe you do have insights we could all benefit from hearing. If so, give us those - instead of disparaging those with no direct experience.
 

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Who is supposed be voted out and when?
Republicans. Midterms soon. Presidential election after that.

Despite all they are doing to steal the midterms, the Rs might lose Congress, or at least the House.

If they lose the House, investigations and impeachments are likely.

There are early signs that future Speaker Jeffries may make a deal with Trump to quash impeachments in exchange for Trump not vetoing some Dem bills. I hope that's wrong.
 

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Everything Hegseth does screams incompetence and toadyism. Maybe not the only reason but definitely a big reason.

He should be impeached and removed from office at the very least. I don't know if he has actually committed crimes or treason - I suspect so - but I bet he asks for a pardon from Trump if he's stripped of his office.
oftentimes folks in cabinet positions leave after 2 years so they can capitalize on their knowledge of the system and the people in it. Hegseth has a brood of kids and a net worth of "only" $3million or so. It wouldn't surprise me to see him as one of those who bolt for higher paying positions in the defense or think tank industries
 
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This is getting tiresome.

In exactly what ways does your stale knowledge from decades-old service make you more expert than those of us who pay attention and do the research? Nothing you have said so far about how the military functions is unknown to reasonably-informed people.

Maybe you do have insights we could all benefit from hearing. If so, give us those - instead of disparaging those with no direct experience.
the most interesting part of your post is that you have not refuted any of the "stale" knowledge that you so eagerly discount. And if what I post is already known to reasonably informed people than what I have posted is accurate as "reasonably informed people" are aware. or, the other side of that is that is if I am a wrong than why would the reasonably informed people already know it....

I don't disparage any of the reasonably informed people....now if you really think that coups, revolutions, bartenders running the Pentagon, yes men and /or eating a bullet are the words of knowledgeable, reasonably informed people....then I respectfully defer to your judgement.

By the way, just so you can become one of those reasonably informed people, why not "back test" my statements through AI to see if what I'm posting is actually stale knowledge or might be the posts of a real reasonably informed person...

and if it getting tiresome...there is an ignore button, you won't hurt my feelings
 
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The part of all this that I REALLY don't like is getting rid of people who don't agree with you at high levels of government. I don't have a problem with firing folks that don't do their jobs, but a person that's doing their job and you just don't like them? That's a bad move. Trump also seems to like having "Interim" people running things. Ever been an interim person? Your job isn't really to be the guy running things, but to keep things running until the job is filled. There's a difference there. AND in this case you are serving at Trump's whim. He has total control, which is what he likes.

The problem is that when you are running the country like this and by using executive orders for everything, is that the next guy ESPECIALLY if he's from another party, is going to undo everything you've done. You can bet your ***, if there's a Dem elected in 2028, the 1st thing they are going to do is to undo everything Trump did by executive order and purge all the folks Trump hired. That's a lot of effort and wasted time everytime we have a different POTUS and then time on top of THAT while the new people learn their jobs. That's no way to run a railroad...
 

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oftentimes folks in cabinet positions leave after 2 years so they can capitalize on their knowledge of the system and the people in it. Hegseth has a brood of kids and a net worth of "only" $3million or so. It wouldn't surprise me to see him as one of those who bolt for higher paying positions in the defense or think tank industries
In an ideal world he would have to be capable of cogent thought to get one of those roles. But we live in an era of cronyism, so he will undoubtedly make out like a bandit.
 

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I’m guessing the bartender in the pentagon has an unfortunately disproportionate amount of influence on any decisions being made
my guess is the opposite. he is dumb as rocks (unbelievable that he went to princeton) and a pretty face actor who plays a role on the stage. the director and scriptwriter are operating without screen credit
 

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The part of all this that I REALLY don't like is getting rid of people who don't agree with you at high levels of government. I don't have a problem with firing folks that don't do their jobs, but a person that's doing their job and you just don't like them? That's a bad move. Trump also seems to like having "Interim" people running things. Ever been an interim person? Your job isn't really to be the guy running things, but to keep things running until the job is filled. There's a difference there. AND in this case you are serving at Trump's whim. He has total control, which is what he likes.

The problem is that when you are running the country like this and by using executive orders for everything, is that the next guy ESPECIALLY if he's from another party, is going to undo everything you've done. You can bet your ***, if there's a Dem elected in 2028, the 1st thing they are going to do is to undo everything Trump did by executive order and purge all the folks Trump hired. That's a lot of effort and wasted time everytime we have a different POTUS and then time on top of THAT while the new people learn their jobs. That's no way to run a railroad...
I don't think any reasonable person would disagree with you. I don't know the reason for Driscoll's resignation, it was my understanding that he was well thought of by Trump and by Army officials. In fact, at one point it was rumored that he might be in line for the SecDef position if Hegseth left.
 

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Everything Hegseth does screams incompetence and toadyism. Maybe not the only reason but definitely a big reason.
Right, the military bureaucracy was functioning at a high level before Hegseth had the crazy idea to try to make it more efficient. What was he thinking? Everything was great as it was. Just ask defense industry reps like Lloyd Austin if you don't believe it.

Hegseth’s Acquisition Reform: From Red Tape to Rapid Response | National Guard Association of the United States
 

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The grown ups left the White House a long time ago. But the grown ups leaving the military makes me much more nervous.
Right, Lloyd Austin even left early, disappearing for a weak. He is now back in his lucrative role as an industry rep, no longer having to pretend to be the sec of defense.
 

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my guess is the opposite. he is dumb as rocks (unbelievable that he went to princeton) and a pretty face actor who plays a role on the stage. the director and scriptwriter are operating without screen credit

I think people need to stop pretending there is some deep state controlling what’s happening in DC. Trump is a narcissist with a cult of personality, and he’s surrounded himself by fall guys that are each bad in their own ways. Hegseth is an insecure drunk womanizer, and he’s purging anybody that can challenge him from the pentagon. There doesn’t need to be some hidden figure making the decisions, by all accounts it is Hegseth making them.
 

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He’s finally out. The long-rumored and widely-expected resignation of Dan Driscoll is here. He’s been a a rare voice of conscience and clarity in the Hegseth Pentagon—so it’s always been a matter of time.

A huge loss for the Army. And for the administration. But most of all for our Soldiers.

We should all hope that Driscoll will now speak out openly about his concerns.

It could change history, save countless lives and make all American safer.

We’ll see if he does



 

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the most interesting part of your post is that you have not refuted any of the "stale" knowledge that you so eagerly discount.
No I didn't. Why? Because, as I said, you don't seem to have added anything that otherwise well-informed people didn't already know, or couldn't figure out for themselves.

Don't get me wrong. Saying things that other well-informed people already know or can figure out for themselves isn't a bad thing. After all some smart folks might not already know this or that, and others might not have gotten around to figuring your point out for themselves. So I consider those to be useful contributions even it they don't help me personally.

What I'm dinging you for is seeming to claim the high ground of knowledge and understanding without (yet) having added anything new.

By all means share what you know, and give your informed opinions, but spare us the high horse act.
 

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The part of all this that I REALLY don't like is getting rid of people who don't agree with you at high levels of government.
Yeah, I sort of agree. But imagine you get elected President and you inherit all these corrupt MAGA types who are gung-ho polluting the planet and starting criminal wars and degrading the safety net, and so on. I don't now about you, but I'm definitely going to dump those guys if I can.
 
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while I normally ignore these kinds of posts from people who have no idea of what they are talking about..have never served, never been in the Pentagon..and have no idea of military culture (I apologize up front if there are posters on this thread who have), but in this instance, while I don't agree with the "no yes men, coup, revolution" and other seemingly unknowing posts, I have to admit that the underlying question "who's running the Army?" is a valid one.

To be clear, given that the Army is built for war fighting and that there are casualties, a next leader up mentality exists, so someone has stepped into the leadership role, be it the undersecretary or deputy chief of staff. But, when you get into a situation where the senior civilian and senior military position are both vacant that sort of gives an indication that something is wrong.

Admittedly, unlike some who appear, or think, they know exactly what's happening, I don't have any inside information, and while I know that the system still functions, it has to be unsettling for the rank and file especially in the middle of this "war". I don't know if Hegseth is the reason, but he's the man in charge, and he's responsible for everything his unit does or fails to do.
You really didn’t need the first two paragraphs. Just say you don’t know.
Could very well be right,... Why would you assume that he was good at his job?...
Trump only hires the best. Until they don’t do what he says, thin it’s he’s not good at his job or I didn’t know him at all. I
 
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