This Is a Very Good Thing
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How does he know the NCAA won't be able to get UM for pay-for-play charges? My guess is that's gonna be in there somewhere.
So he's basically saying
OM didn't cheat. The NCAA can't find any evidence of OM cheating. The NCAA is going to punish OM, despite no evidence, just cause.
That dang MSU and their meddling!!
OM didn't cheat. The NCAA can't find any evidence of OM cheating. The NCAA is going to punish OM, despite no evidence, just cause.
That dang MSU and their meddling!!
Got to give it to them. They are the masters at playing the PR game. They use their fan sites to just gradually leak out bad news a very little bit at a time and constantly spin it, so when the real news finally does hit, their fanbase has been prepared. I will say this though, if McReady is saying they're going to get hit fairly hard, it's probably going to be even worse for them than I thought it was going to be. And I thought it was going to be bad.
Kubler-Ross model or "5 stages of Grief".
STAGE 1 : Denial
Ole Miss has done nothing wrong. Ole Miss already had Denzel Nkemdiche so naturally his brother Robert wanted to come too. Then other top rated players followed because they all wanted to play together---this was literally what Freeze said to Dan Patrick during an interview in 2013.
The NCAA is not going to find ANYTHING on Freeze---the FEW violations are secondary and we're done by the Women's Basketball team, Track & Field, or Houston Nutt.
STAGE 2 : Anger
"If you have evidence of a violation send it to the Ole Miss Compliance Department, otherwise stop slandering these young men" (Hugh Freeze ). "Ginny Pig" (Yancy). Who are Rosebowl's sources?!! 17 Rosebowl. Hell No, we are not making the findings on the NOA public!! Be careful Mullen & Strickland, this could end YOUR careers.
STAGE 3 : Bargaining
Ok, we know the NCAA gives Ole Miss 90 days to respond---can we please take the full 90 days? Ok, how bout the full 90 days PLUS 30 more days for an individual person?
So now Ole Miss appears to be on the verge of STEP 4 : Depression---and STEP 5 : Acceptance.
But make no mistake about it McCready or any Ole Miss person admitting that Ole Miss will get some NCAA sanctions, is like eating a unicorn steak or waking up one morning and finding out that Queen Elizabeth II is going to pay off your mortgage and give you a castle in Scotland!
STAGE 1 : Denial
Ole Miss has done nothing wrong. Ole Miss already had Denzel Nkemdiche so naturally his brother Robert wanted to come too. Then other top rated players followed because they all wanted to play together---this was literally what Freeze said to Dan Patrick during an interview in 2013.
The NCAA is not going to find ANYTHING on Freeze---the FEW violations are secondary and we're done by the Women's Basketball team, Track & Field, or Houston Nutt.
STAGE 2 : Anger
"If you have evidence of a violation send it to the Ole Miss Compliance Department, otherwise stop slandering these young men" (Hugh Freeze ). "Ginny Pig" (Yancy). Who are Rosebowl's sources?!! 17 Rosebowl. Hell No, we are not making the findings on the NOA public!! Be careful Mullen & Strickland, this could end YOUR careers.
STAGE 3 : Bargaining
Ok, we know the NCAA gives Ole Miss 90 days to respond---can we please take the full 90 days? Ok, how bout the full 90 days PLUS 30 more days for an individual person?
So now Ole Miss appears to be on the verge of STEP 4 : Depression---and STEP 5 : Acceptance.
But make no mistake about it McCready or any Ole Miss person admitting that Ole Miss will get some NCAA sanctions, is like eating a unicorn steak or waking up one morning and finding out that Queen Elizabeth II is going to pay off your mortgage and give you a castle in Scotland!
One of two things must be true:
1) Ole Miss is cheating at historic levels.
2) A buck toothed hypocrite from Coldwater, MS managed to parlay a 6-6 season and Birmingham Bowl Championship into a national recruiting powerhouse legitimately.
I'll trust Occam's razor on this one.
1) Ole Miss is cheating at historic levels.
2) A buck toothed hypocrite from Coldwater, MS managed to parlay a 6-6 season and Birmingham Bowl Championship into a national recruiting powerhouse legitimately.
I'll trust Occam's razor on this one.
Question ..
How do we really know that it was 'someone other than Ole Miss' that requested the 30-Day Extension?
McCready says .. "One of the parties in the NCAA’s investigation into Ole Miss filed for and received a 30-day extension last week, pushing back the date for the university’s response to NCAA allegation to late May."
Also says .. "There’s nothing, at least in my opinion, to be read into an extension filed by a party other than Ole Miss. Had Ole Miss asked for the extension, my opinion would differ."
Question .. How do we really know 'who' requested the 30-day extension? Does the NCAA ever reveal 'who' asked for the extension?
McCready even admits that his opinion would 'differ' if it was OM that asked for the extension.
How do we really know that it was 'someone other than Ole Miss' that requested the 30-Day Extension?
McCready says .. "One of the parties in the NCAA’s investigation into Ole Miss filed for and received a 30-day extension last week, pushing back the date for the university’s response to NCAA allegation to late May."
Also says .. "There’s nothing, at least in my opinion, to be read into an extension filed by a party other than Ole Miss. Had Ole Miss asked for the extension, my opinion would differ."
Question .. How do we really know 'who' requested the 30-day extension? Does the NCAA ever reveal 'who' asked for the extension?
McCready even admits that his opinion would 'differ' if it was OM that asked for the extension.
I agree. Prolly won't get them for pay for play...
I haven't really kept up with this stuff since I don't care what happening in oxfart MS but if they did it correctly there is little chance that the ncaa can prove they paid players even though its patently obvious they did. I agree they slipped up going so far so quickly so that it was, as he said, too good to be true. Then again, if they made a mistake like that then I suppose they could have easily made another one in leaving a trail back to a bag man.
I haven't really kept up with this stuff since I don't care what happening in oxfart MS but if they did it correctly there is little chance that the ncaa can prove they paid players even though its patently obvious they did. I agree they slipped up going so far so quickly so that it was, as he said, too good to be true. Then again, if they made a mistake like that then I suppose they could have easily made another one in leaving a trail back to a bag man.
The NCAA has a history of not giving a damn about benefits, as long as staff members are not directly involved. That's why UM thinks they are Teflon. It's all coordinated outside the athletic department. Teams care about the competitive advantage, but enforcement knows how difficult it is to monitor and manage.
What they do take seriously is academic fraud, agent activity, and coaches collaborating with boosters. They have a pretty good lock on at least two of these.
In the end this has always been a simple risk vs reward situation. I doubt that a single OM participant in these shenanigans was naive enough to think that they couldn`t get caught at some point. They didn`t win any championships but they got a pretty good ride out of it. Most would probably do the same thing over again. Now it`s just time to pay the piper.
Personally, I think academic fraud will be at the center of this. And the punishment for academic fraud can certainly be just as heavy or heavier than pay-to-play since it goes directly against the student athlete mantra the NCAA preaches. Time will tell.
Expect a couple (ex or insignificant) coaches to get burned, loss of a couple scholarships, and some probation. The congregation won't get pissed at Coach Swaggart, but Bjoke will get burned at the stake from constantly misleading the masses with his "nothing to see here" rhetoric. With that being said, if the NCAA gives their women's water polo team the death sentence as atonement, I wouldn't be shocked either.
Expect a couple (ex or insignificant) coaches to get burned, loss of a couple scholarships, and some probation. The congregation won't get pissed at Coach Swaggart, but Bjoke will get burned at the stake from constantly misleading the masses with his "nothing to see here" rhetoric. With that being said, if the NCAA gives their women's water polo team the death sentence as atonement, I wouldn't be shocked either.
The congregation will never walk that down either. They sincerely believe 100% of their gains are legit. Some of them are. Coach Swaggart and his disciples will hustle on the recruiting trail. No doubt about that. But getting 5 star athletes from around the country to shun OSU, Bama, UGA, UF, Michigan, etc., to come visit their campus instead. C'mon man. That has never happened in the history of their existence. And now it's happening on the reg. Even the most steadfast klansman would have to smell a rat.
Imagine if those roles were reversed. Imagine if we just would went 6-6 and then pulled that class. The CL would have assigned an investigative reporter to our recruiting beat and XenaReb and Co would be back it.
I absolutely think they thought they couldn't get caught. But I think it was arrogance more than naivete.
with how things look to be shaping up, its going to be a cornucopia of infractions...a little of this, a lot of that, here, there, everywhere. multiple sports being hit, some harder than others, the academic fraud part is going to get them the worst. they might not be fully able to connect the dots with pay for play issues, but i assure you, they have found some loose ends...they always do, and a loose end is all the ncaa needs. they dont have to have the full story, but the AF should be open and shut.
Well I do have to admit that seeing Auburn seemingly get away with the Cam Newton caper would give one reason to believe it can be done.
USC and Reggie Bush beg to differ. Typically, if an athlete has received minor benefits from an agent or some other third party (i.e., not a booster), then the NCAA views it as an amateurism issue and the penalties are limited to the athlete involved. If boosters are funneling money to players, then that is a bigger deal. If boosters are funneling money to recruits in order to entice them to sign, then that is an even bigger deal. Of course, staff involvement, or knowledge, or lack of knowledge when it should have been obvious, further increase the penalties.
True, but the mississippi rebels aint Auburn. The tigeagles had a little bit of cred to back up the charade. The bears had absolutely NOTHING. Also, aubie stole a player from ms state. The bears stole multiple players from the likes of UGA, bama, and UF. They collectively either grew a gigantic set of girados or suffered from severe drain bamage.
Auburn was well on its way to a BCS NCG when the sCam kNewton **** hit and the SEC was protecting that commodity. OM won't have this luxury.
Was discussing this with a couple other people. We were wondering if UM has actually submitted a response, and the infractions are so steep that UM replied with some serious self-imposed penalties.
Eta: The penalties mentioned in SterlingA's thread is what was being discussed...those were the penalties self-imposed by UM, and they are being negotiated now. Who knows.
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Could also be timing. They might have gone full throttle on the cash recruiting anticipating that player stipends would become the law. Once the schools got their license to share the profit pie with the players above table, it wouldn't matter. So carelessness ensued.