Didn't you hear? They aren't here illegally they're just undocumented. Brought to you by the same people that cured homelessness by calling them "unhoused".
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This is not a hypothetical case.....
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Didn't you hear? They aren't here illegally they're just undocumented. Brought to you by the same people that cured homelessness by calling them "unhoused".
I want to hang out backstage with Jimmy Page, The Stones, and Pearl Jam, but they won't let me in either. I've never been convicted of a violent crime either.
Being here illegally is still illegal. Why are liberals waiting on illegal immigrants to rape and pillage before they care?
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Is everyone that ICE detains also here illegally? No. ICE regularly detains people who are here legally and even US citizens.
Are the article's stats only for people who are here illegally? The CATO article does not specify.
The article just says that over 90% of people detained by ICE have no violent offenses and 65% of people detained by ICE have no criminal convictions.
You confidently said everyone was here illegally to begin with, and therefore is a criminal regardless of what the article's stats document.
Can you clarify how you concluded that everyone detained by ICE in these statistics was in the US illegally?
I am not being coy or cheeky or whatever- I am trying to understand how you came to your conclusion since I dont see that info in the article.
Being detained and being booked into custody are two different things.
I can confidently say that as far as people I care about it starts with my immediate family and myself, followed by close friends and generally down the list is most Americans. Foreigners in general and illegal aliens fall somewhere below non people such as the elusive Sasquatch. Your bloviating, rollerblading *** is further down that that.
I didnt ask about where I fall on your list of people to care about, but it is noted that I am below Sasquatch.
As for differences between being detained and being booked, yes I agree those are different. The article continually uses 'detained' when referring to the group that represents the numbers, which is why I brought up the clarification request.
"New nonpublic data from Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) indicate that the government is primarily detaining individuals with no criminal convictions of any kind."
"ICE detains very few serious public safety threats.
ICE Book-Ins by Criminal Conviction, FY 2025 as of June 14"
"ICE is detaining far more immigrants who have no convictions or criminal charges"
"Convicted criminals account for just 29% of the increase in people detained by ICE since January"
Both...which adds to the ambiguity.
Regardless, Trump said ICE would focus on deporting 'the worst of the worst', yet the data we are discussing shows that isn't anywhere close to correct.
The focus is nothing close to being the worst of the worst.
I don't normally get into this stuff but how about we not wait until they get to be the worst of the worst?
If they are here illegally, they are breaking the law.
This is where we're always going to disagree.
If you're in this country illegally, you're a criminal and you have to go. That's how I see it. In fact, that's exactly how 57% of the country sees it if you believe the latest CNN poll on the subject. You prefer to see it the anti-American, pro-illegal alien way, which is your right. But I'm not going to feel guilty about the fact that "hard working, law abiding" ILLEGAL aliens are being exported from the country, whether they have MS-13 tattoos, or it's a 60 year old grandma that cleans houses. That's a bunch of virtue signaling BS.
At the end of the day, the last administration let somewhere between 10 and 20 million illegals into this country and undoing that is hard work. It's ugly, and families will be impacted. But that's the risks that were taken to break the law and enter the country illegally. I'm not interested in stratifying the data to determine which are "the worst of the worst" and which are just criminal aliens who are otherwise good people. They all have to go, and that's what much of this country wants and what they voted for.
Your comment about ICE detaining US citizens is alleged often in the media, and folks like Holman have challenged them to name names which they can never do. When you factor in the track record of the outlets reporting such things, it's a reasonable conclusion that it is bullshlt. More likely than not.
I wonder if there's a legal way to do this...
Sure. Just because you focus on the worst of the worst, doesn’t mean you should ignore other people who qualified for deportation if you happen upon them while going after the rest of the worst.
But by all accounts that I can see, that is not what is happening. Precious resources and money are instead being directed to focusing on general rating instead of targeting the worst of the worst.
Interesting that it is immoral to want them to follow immigration laws but it is virtuous and just to allow them to come here and work in conditions considered inhumane for our citizens and earn less than the legal minimum wage.
Been here since 1991 and didn't apply for citizenship? Sounds like a him problem, deport.
It's a long process but not a 34 year process.
Yes. There are degrees of crime and that should be considered when allocating time, money, and resources.
A felony and a misdemeanor are both crimes, but one is clearly more concerning than the other.
Illegally entering the US for the first time is a misdemeanor.
Overstaying a visa is, from what I understand, a civil penalty.
Misdemeanor offense is not equal to felony offense.
yep, and many of them are getting deported when they show up to actually do it legally.
They're arresting people in an undercover sting operation for cat calling women in the UK. Not kidding.
We don't know how good we have it here (for now.)
It's a misdemeanor. You break worse laws in your daily commute as you are endangering lives most. The majority of these people are here to work and live and do more good than harm by giving our economy the labor force it requires.
We do need a more secure border to fight the CARTEL that the WAR ON DRUGS created but deporting hard working people is bull ****.
I would love to see the country after every single illegal is deported. The massive relief on healthcare, car insurance rates, traffic in general, all government services particularly our schools, will be undeniable. Deport every single one of them then clamp down on welfare so these lazy *** people that are nothing but leeches for generations are forced to work and contribute.
The Biden administration really did screw things up by allowing so many people to come her illegally, many with phony asylum claims. Americans are largely tolerant people now, unlike in the past, and a small number of people here illegally doing jobs Americans aren't interested in (fruit picking) aren't gonna cause problems. The vast numbers he let in, and the non-enforcement of immigration law, the sanctuary cities that popped up, gave some an expectation that they could stay indefinitely. Well, the American people voted and didn't care for those policies. But we still need immigrants and especially highly skilled immigrants who contribute more than they take. I'm retiring in a few years and I want my social security. We need more contributors to social security. Our scientific and technological edge over the rest of the world requires smart, innovative people.
We don’t care. They are here illegally
No, they are trying to take advantage of the asylum process. That wasn't created as a loophole for 20 million people to show up at the border and claim asylum.
I can be empathetic and can be respectful of honest arguments, but this is a dishonest one.
Which is exactly what happened in this case, and he is here Legally.
GD at your mental gymnastics.
Just say it! You want open borders and zero consequences!!
And to circle back to the origin of this thread, if he was here legally, he wouldn't have been deported. So there has to be more to the story. Not saying necessarily that you're withholding info, but someone is withholding info from you.
The thing is, he DID follow the legal process. Some of yall still can’t get it through your heads that he is a legal US resident. He is not here illegally.
He has been here legally over 30 years. He hasn’t been deported yet, just detained.What makes you so sure there is more to it? Stuff like this is happening all the time now. It’s even happened to a few citizens.
You're right, I didn’t blink an eye.
Well if he's just being detained, maybe it will work out. If he is here legally, he should have nothing to worry about.
I went to USMC bootcamp with a Russian and a dude from Montenegro. Green Card holders have alot of the privileges of a citizen.
A permanent green card lasts for 10 years. If you have a green card you are eligible to apply for citizenship after staying in the US for 5 years (or 3 if you are married to a US citizen). Even "permanent" green cards expire and must be renewed. It's not a lifetime pass.
That just isn’t always the case anymore. This is going to probably take months even he is allowed to stay. His business will be destroyed. His life will be destroyed.
If his green card wasn’t renewed, he was not in this country legally. And he was an idiot to leave the country & then try to get back in knowing he didn’t have a valid visa.
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