This is not a hypothetical case.....
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This constantly kills me.
It's been years of...
FBI is corrupt and incompetent!
IRS is corrupt and incompetent!
But somehow...ICE is beyond reproach!
The Constitution guarantees rights to Americans not the entire world.
This is incorrect. It enshrined rights to citizens and non-citizens, depending.
Due Process applies to all in the US regardless of citizenship.
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Wait, you mean if there’s a non-citizen walking down my street, it’s not legally OK for me to take their wallet at gun point, rape them, murder them, or hit them with my car?
The illegals are getting better due process than all those people who were locked up for simply being at the Capital on January 6 and took no part in the riot.
I guess it depends on the verbiage in the law. Are those only offenses if committed against fellow "citizens" or do they specify "human being", "sentient, intelligent beings", etc? Which brings up the moral quandary of hunting Sasquatch; He is obviously intelligent enough to stay hidden all these years but is he really sentient and human like or just a smart animal? Of course laws against the abuse of animals could apply but are they harsh enough if you go out stalk and kill a Sasquatch? It really spins my moral compass.
Not sure what point you are trying to actually make here, or if your claim is correct, but regardless- OK.
Why do you only care about laws when it benefits your agenda?
You provided some ideological bullshlt. They didn't have someone standing at the border with a clicker. Millions came in unchecked. This isn't even an arguable point, and yet you argue.
This isn’t reality though. They aren’t acting as judge and jury. They are simply rounding people up and detaining them when they can’t prove they are citizens.
My point is, were you crocodile tearing and white knighting for all the innocent people locked up over January 6?
That is literally the point I made to the other poster.
And it is a point that was made to you, and you agreed with, either earlier this week or last week.
I don't have an agenda, at least I don't have whatever it is you will soon claim I have.
With regard to immigration policy, I expect...
- resources to be used in a manner in which the most public benefit is realized.
- professionalism instead of lies/misrepresentation, tacky social media posts, and clothing promotion.
- a fundamental change in immigration policy which more easily and quickly allows people to live and work in the US.
- a fundamental change in immigration enforcement which focuses on removing dangerous people if the qualify for removal.
You are correct, there was nobody on the border with a clicker. I have made thst point many times when questioning and discussing illegal immigrant numbers.
I don't know how anyone can confidently say X# came in over Y# of years.
...and yet that is being claimed over and over in this thread, and asking for verifiable and reliable info to support the claims is met with resistance.
1- this is a totally different topic and deserves its own thread, rather than bombing it into this thread.
2- it seems like you are making an argument of WHATABOUTISM. That is a terribly weak argument to make because it almost always requires you to accept that whatever you are defending, is actually wrong.
3- anyone who stormed the Capitol is not innocent. Anyone who vandalized the Capitol is not innocent. Anyone who chased security guards and/or injured them is not innocent.
4- if someone was arrested and denied Due Process just for being on the Capitol grounds in a legal capacity and did not illegally enter the building or damage anything, then that is wrong to have happened. Let me know if you are aware of anyone like that.
I can send some your way. How many do you want? PM your address and I'll see what I can do. Either house them or STFU.
I should either literally house undocumented people or stfu?
You have lost the plot. That has nothing to do with what I have been responding to, which is that Due Process applies to all people in the US, regardless of if they are citizen or not. It applies to someone that is just visiting for a week, even.
All illegal immigration is bad. So resources well spent. We allowed 10 million plus immigrants over last 5 ish year. How many have we sent back?
who is unprofessional? Site 2 examples!
we have a system to allow people to work in the USA. They just don’t use it bc we allowed so many illegals in you idiot. If you allow 10 million illegals in undocumented you shouldn’t allow any more in to work low wage jobs. You have 17kng plenty.
ANY immigrant should be able to speak out language and pass a basic skills test and be willing to prove they will adapt to our way of life and our values. Aka waving the GD Mexican flag around in our country doesn’t fly. If you like Mexico so much, go 17ing back. Or any other country. THATS COMMON SENSE.
we can do you last point after we get out all the bull$h1t that was let in and then we can start vetting people properly.
you don’t want anything that makes good common sense and neither do other democrats
You don’t need a clicker to make estimates that are reasonably accurate you 17ing idiot.
No it’s not different
It’s about the law
you care more about due process for people who are here illegally than you did for January 6 people
or for Biden using OSHA to get people fired for not taking the vaccine
next you’ll talk about trump and the national guard in DC being unconstitutional but you don’t give a damn about the lawlessness in DC
YOU and liberals are hypocritical as hell
You say stuff all the time about affordable housing and how the rich screw the poor
guess what. A crap ton of illegals drives up housing and other costs. Do you have any logical thinking and reasoning capabilities at all?
you said you wanted them all to stay except th violent criminals
I didn't bring the clicker up- Drebin did.
It one isn't needed, rip on Drebin for mentioning it.
How is the estimate of 10MM reasonably accurate? How do you know? Others have claimed 20MM, which is double your claim, so perhaps a clicker would make for a reasonably accurate estimate.
I care about Due Process being violated on any day, January 6 being one.
Whose Due Process was violated in that day?
You are telling me I don't care about something that I don't know is even an issue.
Here’s one. Now I’ll hear about how that’s not legit. Blah blah blah
Glfr Is Dumb
You didn’t care when peoples lives were ruined for walking into a capitol that was open who did nothing violent. If you do, say it now. It was wrong that some of those people were prosecuted.
Did you read your link?
It says there is no way to know how many people enter the US without an encounter(ie caught or documented).
Additionally, it only has an estimate for Biden's first year, and says 660,000 successfully crossed illegally.
You are claiming 10MM under Biden and others claimed 20MM.
This link isn't proof that your claim is right. It shows that during 25% off Biden's time in office, only 6% of your claim can be accounted for.
Your link also states that illegal crossings under W Bush were exponentially higher than under Obama, and that W Bush numbers were more than twice Biden's.
I point this out because you claimed it's Democrats who did this(illegal immigration).
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You are not allowed to just walk into and around the Capitol, unescorted.
That alone is illegal, yet you are framing it as acceptable.
Additionally, this conversation has been about Due Process. I am convinced that you and a few others don't know what that legal concept means, because you all continue to say 'what about X' as a counter...and X isn't a Due Process issue.
Who was denied Due Process during J6? Go look what Due Process is, then come back and tell me who was denied Due Process.
Maybe there are some people who were detained in jail before trial for what I will think is an excessive time. Then sure- that is a legit concern.
Your post varies on what point you are trying to make. You go from complaining about a lack of Due Process to ending this post above with saying people were wrongly convicted.
This are separate issues. You know that, right? Right?
They're getting due process. They're being verified as illegal and having arrest records. Yes and you're gone. That's the way it should be. You should still take some in. You're sympathetic to the cause, now step up and bring them in your home or STFU.
now do illegal immigration you ignorant hypocritical 17
So...you have just dropped all tjose other arguments you have been making since nothing you have claimed is legitimate?
- your link that supports your illegal immigration claim doesn't actually support your claim in any way.
- your link that supports your illegal immigration claim actually says illegal immigration was higher under an R than either of the last two D presidents.
- you can't understand how to separate the legal concept of Due Process from your claim of wrongful conviction...and apparently think they are the same.
So now here we are with you latching onto something I posted about trespassing and making it apply to illegal immigration.
Good one.**
I have said many times now that I support deporting people who are convicted of being in the US illegally.
I mean, the fact that he got you to post that criminal trespass is wrong while you’re debating the merits of illegal entry is actually a pretty good trap that you stepped right into.
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