It's from my extended family and in-laws. He is English by birth and is a British Subject. His family moved here a long time ago when he was very young and he HAD a permanent green card beginning in 1991. He went to School and university here in the US. He IS an American. He had what has been described as a "weed ticket" in what he claims as his home state of Colorado.....20 something years ago. He had has no hint anything illegal since. He had a permeant green card since 1990 till four years ago. Then it was suddenly denied coming back from a family trip from Costa Rica four years ago. He has been here since on one year temporary green cards .He went back LEGALLY as has been routine to renew his card, and he was taken into custody by ICE. He is a long time small business owner which he basically operates his own service business. He has a wife and two kids.....who now have no income at all other than that business (carpet cleaning as if it matters, and HE was IT operating it.) If they deport him.....WHERE? He has never lived anywhere as an adult but HERE. These people are NOT criminals. They are EXAXCTLY the kind of people we want here.
This is not a hypothetical case.....
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They have gone from detaining and deporting felons here illegally to detaining and deporting illegals with misdemeanors.
I know you said this person had a green card. My guess he ignored the weed ticket and got his green card revoked. I do know they are deporting illegals for dui and similar offenses now.
Where was this person detained? When leaving the U.S.? Do you know where they are now?
In this area, if a person is detained from an outstanding warrant or crime. They are shipped to New Orleans to see an Immigration judge. I have no idea if England would accept an ex-pat removed from the U.S. from a warrant. My guess is yes. so, then ice ships him to England.
I know you said this person had a green card. My guess he ignored the weed ticket and got his green card revoked. I do know they are deporting illegals for dui and similar offenses now.
Where was this person detained? When leaving the U.S.? Do you know where they are now?
In this area, if a person is detained from an outstanding warrant or crime. They are shipped to New Orleans to see an Immigration judge. I have no idea if England would accept an ex-pat removed from the U.S. from a warrant. My guess is yes. so, then ice ships him to England.
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So he has had since 1991 to become a citizen but didn’t apply for citizenship? I guess he could have filed his paperwork in 1996, five years after getting his Green Card.
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Applying for citizenship would have been a smart move. Not sure but it's probly a long process but in hindsight I bet he wishes he had.
That seems vague. You or I may never know the truth.
Lastly, why not get your citizenship if you are going to take advantage of this great country? I find that insulting. I was born internationally. My father was born internationally. We all became US citizens.
I, too, want legitimate business owners who contribute to society in our country. But there is a process.
I've yet to see a case where the individual had zero opportunity to avoid their outcome.
Deporting illegals for DUI seems eminently reasonable to me. Maybe .08 BAC isn’t reasonable, but at the same time, as a guest you should probably be doing your best to strictly comply with the law. Too many instances of drunk illegal immigrants hurting somebody to view it as minor to me.
A permanent green card isn’t denied. It’s revoked and can only be revoked based on certain grounds and he should have been entitled to a hearing before revocation. If it was revoked coming back from Costa Rica when Biden was president, was he there long enough to give them grounds to claim he abandoned his residency? Was he there long enough that he missed his notice to appear? Did he not file a change of address? Was it actually revoked earlier and he just didn’t think about it until he tried to use his British passport to try to reenter the US (my guess as possession of scheduled drugs can be grounds of the amount is high enough).
not saying it isn’t a terrible approach and/or result at the end of the day, but I don’t think you’re getting the whole story.
34 years to become a citizen, but didn’t.
Poor decision.
Seriously asking, how does a non-citizen own and operate a legitimate business in a country in which they are not a citizen?
Poor decision.
Seriously asking, how does a non-citizen own and operate a legitimate business in a country in which they are not a citizen?
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Agreed. ....and especially if they can't produce a visa or DL or insurance etc etc. all the things US citizens are required to have.
Also marijuana offenses are a federal reason to revoke a green card.
I’ve yet to hear one of these green card stories where a law wasn’t broken or a deadline wasn’t missed by the detainee.
And look.. I partly blame our country for the the heartbreak happening within families. Had we never turned a blind eye to the immigration fiasco unfolding over the last 50 years then we wouldn’t be here now having to clean it up.
And look.. I partly blame our country for the the heartbreak happening within families. Had we never turned a blind eye to the immigration fiasco unfolding over the last 50 years then we wouldn’t be here now having to clean it up.
He is in fact not American by birth sad to say
Yes a law was broken according to OP. Marijuana is illegal per federal law. A drug related offense is a listed reason to revoke a green card.
It's telling that folks in this thread assumed that the Marijuana ticket was ignored / unpaid. The OP left that ambiguous.
I assumed the guy paid it.
As for becoming a citizen. That's an expensive AND time-consuming process. If you're a small business owner supporting a family - do you have either the time or the money? Especially when you pay your taxes, have "anchor babies", and have a spouse who is a citizen?
Then let's look at the lens of victim blaming. This guy went to re-new his green card - legally and the normal process. Like he's done every year for the last 4 years. Seemingly no reason he should really be doing different since he was here for 30 years. He did what we tell him to. And he gets disappeared.
I genuinely don't know how you read all this and think this is a good thing without being a hateful, terrible person. If you feel offended by that, look in the mirror long and hard. Have an honest conversation with yourself. Not with the TV. Not with the internet. With you. You're happy with a family getting broken up, a small business shuttering, a wife and kids suffering, because of a ticket for a plant 20+ years ago that may or may not have been paid. You see that as justice. Is that the person you want to be? Is that who you were raised to be?
Who am I kidding - brain rot has ruined society and this is too many words and too introspective that all that will be said is something about me being long-winded.
I assumed the guy paid it.
As for becoming a citizen. That's an expensive AND time-consuming process. If you're a small business owner supporting a family - do you have either the time or the money? Especially when you pay your taxes, have "anchor babies", and have a spouse who is a citizen?
Then let's look at the lens of victim blaming. This guy went to re-new his green card - legally and the normal process. Like he's done every year for the last 4 years. Seemingly no reason he should really be doing different since he was here for 30 years. He did what we tell him to. And he gets disappeared.
I genuinely don't know how you read all this and think this is a good thing without being a hateful, terrible person. If you feel offended by that, look in the mirror long and hard. Have an honest conversation with yourself. Not with the TV. Not with the internet. With you. You're happy with a family getting broken up, a small business shuttering, a wife and kids suffering, because of a ticket for a plant 20+ years ago that may or may not have been paid. You see that as justice. Is that the person you want to be? Is that who you were raised to be?
Who am I kidding - brain rot has ruined society and this is too many words and too introspective that all that will be said is something about me being long-winded.
We are finally acknowledging there are limits to the financial privileges to those on our soil. There's no blank check
Nailed it. Could have expounded to inhumane and morally bankrupt but bad is good too. Go look in the mirror and ask yourself how much koolaid you’ve had if you genuinely think this is ok at all human level if you have an moral foundation and even at a good if the country level if you have any patriotism.
There’s this thing called green card…
You might be disappointed with what we offer Russia today in the Alaska summit. Assuming what had been reported thus far is accurate. Grain of salt for now.
Green Card is temporary and can be revoked. Citizenship is permanent. . If you are planning on being here that long of a period just get your citizenship. Three or four years is one thing but 20? It cost $760.00 and a US citizen to sponsor you. That price can be reduced down based on income.
Yeah. A friend of mine got deported back to Sweden when her job with a Swedish company here was eliminated. She’d been here 12 years, worked, paid her taxes etc. it’s always been real hard for good honest people to live & work in this county legally. She could have applied for citizenship at any time after 5 years but because she was a citizen she couldn’t stay. This was while Obama was President btw.
Sucks for L4’s cousin. I’m sure he never saw the need to become a citizen, but if you want to stay in the USA, it’s always been important. And getting a medical marijuana card is something that can have consequences for anyone.
I see Horshacks viewpoint but it’s not a moral issue it’s a legal issue. My morals say follow the law. Are we kicking out the wrong folks sometimes ? maybe. Should there be a more expedient path to citizenship for those working and having a clean record?probably ….but he had a long long time to apply for citizenship and chose the easy route.
It’s not a good thing. But good honest people have been getting their green card non/renewed for decades. This isn’t something new. It’s always been way too hard to live in this country legally if you’re not a citizen. Immigration laws need to be changed & enforced.
Yeah. Orange Man is “bad”
But L4’s “kin” ain’t American and is a dubmass
As many folks have said, he had plenty of opportunities to do the responsible thing and didn’t.
So maybe L4’s “kin” ain’t really American.
Maybe you can visit him one day when you go see some EPL matches.
Season starts today by the way…
But L4’s “kin” ain’t American and is a dubmass
As many folks have said, he had plenty of opportunities to do the responsible thing and didn’t.
So maybe L4’s “kin” ain’t really American.
Maybe you can visit him one day when you go see some EPL matches.
Season starts today by the way…
Next we will start inviting those that do not appreciate the benefits of America to freely leave and denounce their citizenship, and fast track that process. Will help us balance the federal budget finally.
I just got back from two vacations ..I visited the Middle East and Australia....if you think it is possible to get into those countries and stay without following their laws, you are crazy.... in Saudi Arabia, our bus was stopped and military got on the bus and while holding a machine gun asked to see my passport....in Australia, I personally saw a person hauled off by security for not declaring beef jerky in his carry on. I'm not sure if he was allowed entry but he was certainly detained ...so I don't have an iota of sympathy for any non citizen who is in our country and ignores our laws.
My wife's brother is married to a lady from S. Korea. She came here on a student visa back in the 90's. She graduated from Belhaven and just stayed. Her visa expired. She was here 15 years or so illegally. She started dating my wife's brother. He told her before he married her, she had to get her citizenship. Her sister came here on a student visa and got her citizenship after graduating. Mic Young is my wife's sister in-law. She went down and applied, got her sister's husband to sponsor her and three years later she was a US Citizen. Maybe it didn't seem that hard to do because she originally came here legally and had been here for so long. They have been married now a long time.
Makes no difference if the ticket was paid or not it is the offence itself that gets a green card revoked. Yes it sucks that people pouring over the border illegally have been given an easier time than those doing it the right way but the bottom line is this guy has had decades to become a citizen and I'm assuming his wife is American which is another legal pathway to take. Politicians have made a mockery of our borders and laws for too long and now it is time to clean it up. I look in the mirror quite easily from a moral standpoint.
Why didn't he pursue citizenship?
You wrote a bunch of words passing judgement on people in this thread based on a post from someone telling one side of a story. And that someone routinely posts stupid stuff. And you call other people hateful and terrible?
IF the guy had his green card revoked, it wasn't because "Trump bad." It's because we are a country of laws and the law is finally being enforced.
You should probably go look in the mirror and ask yourself why you're such a garbage human and what you can do to improve on that.
#themoreyouknow
So orange man is inhumane and morally bankrupt because his administration is enforcing the laws? Do you shed tears for all families torn apart by criminal acts or just this one? Families are destroyed and businesses are shut down on a regular basis due to crimes being committed and laws broken whether intentionally, maliciously or via stupidity.
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my Wife was a school District administrator and she had the parent of a special needs child come to her asking for help . His company had transferred him to their Canadian operation ....but because his child had special needs, he had a letter from the consulate saying his entry was being denied because of the impact of his son on Canadian resources ...
Non citizens with green cards, particularly minorities, have a much easier time starting/buying businesses than American citizens via guaranteed federal loans.
4 years ago when he was denied re-entry, Joe Biden was president. At least that's how the OP reads.
Also to add my personal viewpoint, I do think it's moral for societies to have laws, and if people break that law, they should be punished appropriately. It is not only common sense, but if you're a Christian, justice is a key tenet in the Bible. It's clear and rooted in the character of God.
I hate it for L4 and his family, I really do. I have a family member by marriage who may get deported at some point because he's been here since the 80's and never applied for permanent citizenship. He has a job. He pays taxes. I don't want him to get taken away either. But in a healthy society, you can't just make a law or bend laws to accommodate one person who made an oopsy and forgot to renew, or forgot marijuana was federally off limits, or just made an honest mistake. It's like a guy who drove at .08 BAC, felt perfectly fine and probably was, but got in a wreck and killed someone. It was just a mistake, but they are still going to haul him off.
It sucks that it happened but it’s kind of hard for me to feel sorry for him. His family? Sure I can empathize with them and they are in a messed up situation but it isn’t like he hasn’t had the time and means to apply for citizenship. He had time to start a business to enrich himself and his family, start and raise a family, smoke weed and go on at least one vacation and probably more if I had to guess. It isn’t that hard to carve out a little time to start the citizenship process over 20+ years. Call it victim blaming or call it whatever you want. At some point personal accountability has to come in to play.
No idea.
I assume it was taken care of at the time since they had been renewing his green card. He was taken into custody at his local immigration office when he went to renew his green card as he has been doing.
He wasn't here illegally. He had a legitimate green card.
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