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I was fully prepared for the possibility of a loss.
It's not embarrassing to lose to another strong team, especially when you are rebuilding with new coaches and players.
Did you cry during any of the MSU losses last season? Did you cry during the majority of the last decade after watching the dogs?
Sitting around watching a HS team from another area with the hopes of them losing so that you can go back and ask another message board poster if they cried says a lot.
I was fully prepared for the possibility of a loss.
It's not embarrassing to lose to another strong team, especially when you are rebuilding with new coaches and players.
Did you cry during any of the MSU losses last season? Did you cry during the majority of the last decade after watching the dogs?
Sitting around watching a HS team from another area with the hopes of them losing so that you can go back and ask another message board poster if they cried says a lot.
That was more than a loss, that was an *** kicking. If not for the Conner punt return, it would have been worse.
And Hoover is also young and in a rebuilding year, but whatever eases the pain. They absolutely dominated.
For the record, I'm in the "area" and have family in Batesville. I assure you, you were not my priority watching the game, but you are right in that I was rooting for them to lose.
And Hoover is also young and in a rebuilding year, but whatever eases the pain. They absolutely dominated.
For the record, I'm in the "area" and have family in Batesville. I assure you, you were not my priority watching the game, but you are right in that I was rooting for them to lose.
Or do they count for State too?
That's just a stupid argument. If you go to a school in the Ole Miss system, you count in enrollment period. The tuition goes to which school? That's right. I knew a guy who was an Ole Miss fan that went to State both undergrad and grad, because Ole Miss didn't offer the programs he wanted, and he was from Mississippi. He was still an Ole Miss fan during and after graduation. Do we get to not count him as part of your enrollment?
Now, if you want to compare undergrad enrollments for the next dick measuring competition, go for it. See if that gets your motor running. You can even post the numbers over your headboard if they're in your favor, so that you don't have any trouble losing your mojo when you're 17ing your wife.
Maybe we can divide it up and see which school has higher tuition revenue. Let's compare in state enrollment and then out of state enrollment. Let's compare minority enrollment and then female/male enrollment. Let's compare how many handicapped students each school has.
My point is I think enrollment smack is the dumbest crap our fans do. We're better because we have X number of students. No, you're not, and that goes both ways. I knew when I saw what Pete had tweeted though that it would start a firestorm on State boards for that reason. We have way too many fans, on both sides who get hard ons over enrollment numbers. Enrollment matters sure, but neither school is hurting for attracting students.
I'd like to see us get to the point where we start being selective with our enrollment. Right now, neither Ole Miss, nor MSU is doing that. If you meet minimum qualifications and can pay, come on. I'd like to see us be able to cap enrollment so that we can be selective and start increasing the average ACT score. I think that would be best for the school.
That's just a stupid argument. If you go to a school in the Ole Miss system, you count in enrollment period. The tuition goes to which school? That's right. I knew a guy who was an Ole Miss fan that went to State both undergrad and grad, because Ole Miss didn't offer the programs he wanted, and he was from Mississippi. He was still an Ole Miss fan during and after graduation. Do we get to not count him as part of your enrollment?
Now, if you want to compare undergrad enrollments for the next dick measuring competition, go for it. See if that gets your motor running. You can even post the numbers over your headboard if they're in your favor, so that you don't have any trouble losing your mojo when you're 17ing your wife.
Maybe we can divide it up and see which school has higher tuition revenue. Let's compare in state enrollment and then out of state enrollment. Let's compare minority enrollment and then female/male enrollment. Let's compare how many handicapped students each school has.
My point is I think enrollment smack is the dumbest crap our fans do. We're better because we have X number of students. No, you're not, and that goes both ways. I knew when I saw what Pete had tweeted though that it would start a firestorm on State boards for that reason. We have way too many fans, on both sides who get hard ons over enrollment numbers. Enrollment matters sure, but neither school is hurting for attracting students.
I'd like to see us get to the point where we start being selective with our enrollment. Right now, neither Ole Miss, nor MSU is doing that. If you meet minimum qualifications and can pay, come on. I'd like to see us be able to cap enrollment so that we can be selective and start increasing the average ACT score. I think that would be best for the school.
that our average ACT score is increasing as well. Just pointing out the facts before you go on your next rant. Always good to point out actual facts in an argument rather than making them up to help your argument. That might be a strategy you could use in your next attempt to rationalize everything that is ole miss.
Portera started that crap for us, and all it did was let UM catch us in enrollment. We gained a couple of footnotes in technical journals and not much else. Replace the era between Zacharias and Foglesong with anyone remotely dedicated to growing MSU, and we're sitting at 25k students right now.
And yes, undergrad enrollment matters. Why? Because undergrad is where most people form their permanent school attachment and affiliation. You think all those biochem engineers we send to UMC are going to cut big checks to UM for supporting Black Bear athletics? Heck no. Their money goes to Starkville.
And yes, undergrad enrollment matters. Why? Because undergrad is where most people form their permanent school attachment and affiliation. You think all those biochem engineers we send to UMC are going to cut big checks to UM for supporting Black Bear athletics? Heck no. Their money goes to Starkville.
....despite your obvious bias. By the way, I have read your posts for years and you are as defensive on this as I've ever seen you. Main campus enrollment matters because that is the best representative of how well the university is doing attracting students and how students coming out of high school or junior college perceive your university. UMC is a freaking medical school. There is no place for that in the discussion. Neither, for that matter, is OM-Tupelo, MSU-Meridian, etc.
I hope you guys start with selective enrollment. That way, ya'll can go around with your asses in the air talking about how great your school is while your alumni base shrinks (in comparison) and your athletics programs dry up. For Mississippi State, I want us to keep busting at the seems, recruiting more students, and gaining more alumni. I'll trade the "better school" talk for athletic success.
I hope you guys start with selective enrollment. That way, ya'll can go around with your asses in the air talking about how great your school is while your alumni base shrinks (in comparison) and your athletics programs dry up. For Mississippi State, I want us to keep busting at the seems, recruiting more students, and gaining more alumni. I'll trade the "better school" talk for athletic success.
like bragging that you are the prettiest frog in the pond?<div>
</div><div>"Flagship" and "Harvard of the South" are my favorites. It's simply comical.I guess you could be the Harvard of the south if Harvard eliminated their admission standards, reduced their tuition to a couple of thousand bucks asemester, and had Klan rallies on campus. Other that that and a few hundred other things, and ya'll are a carbon copy. </div><div>
</div><div>March on TSUN we are behind you all the way!!!!!!!!!</div>
</div><div>"Flagship" and "Harvard of the South" are my favorites. It's simply comical.I guess you could be the Harvard of the south if Harvard eliminated their admission standards, reduced their tuition to a couple of thousand bucks asemester, and had Klan rallies on campus. Other that that and a few hundred other things, and ya'll are a carbon copy. </div><div>
</div><div>March on TSUN we are behind you all the way!!!!!!!!!</div>
<span class="mw-headline" id="Education">Education</span>
The phrase flagship institution or flagship university is often used with reference to <font color="#0645ad">state university systems</font> in the United States, which often comprise numerous separate and distinct degree-granting institutions. In this context, flagship means the original institutions from which the system grew, often schools dating from the wave of state university foundings that occurred in the three decades from 1850 to 1880. As in the naval analogy, it is often, though not always, the site of the administrative headquarters for the system.</p>
According to <font color="#0645ad">Robert M. Berdahl</font>, former <font color="#0645ad">Berkeley</font> chancellor, the phrase "flagship" came into existence in the 1950s when the <font color="#0645ad">Morrill Act</font> schools were joined by newer institutions built in a wave of post-war expansion of state university system.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-berdahl_3-0"><font color="#0645ad"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></font></p>
Berdahl contends that because of their age, the flagship institutions of a university system are often the largest and best financed and are perceived as elite relative to non-flagship state schools.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-berdahl_3-1"><font color="#0645ad"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></font> He comments that "Those of us in "systems" of higher education are frequently actively discouraged from using the term "flagship" to refer to our campuses because it is seen as hurtful to the self-esteem of colleagues at other institutions in our systems. The use of the term is seen by some as elitist and boastful. It is viewed by many, in the context of the politics of higher education, as 'politically incorrect.' ... Only in the safe company of alumni is one permitted to use the term."<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-berdahl_3-2"><font color="#0645ad"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></font></p>
Nevertheless, some state universities and their officials still use the term "flagship" in official contexts. For example, "As the system's flagship campus, [UMass-]Amherst draws from throughout the Commonwealth, the nation and the world;"<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-4"><font color="#0645ad"><span>[</span>5<span>]</span></font> and "It is a pleasure to report to the General Assembly on the accomplishments and initiatives of the State [of Maryland]'s Flagship University."<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-5"><font color="#0645ad"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></font></p>
The phrase flagship institution or flagship university is often used with reference to <font color="#0645ad">state university systems</font> in the United States, which often comprise numerous separate and distinct degree-granting institutions. In this context, flagship means the original institutions from which the system grew, often schools dating from the wave of state university foundings that occurred in the three decades from 1850 to 1880. As in the naval analogy, it is often, though not always, the site of the administrative headquarters for the system.</p>
According to <font color="#0645ad">Robert M. Berdahl</font>, former <font color="#0645ad">Berkeley</font> chancellor, the phrase "flagship" came into existence in the 1950s when the <font color="#0645ad">Morrill Act</font> schools were joined by newer institutions built in a wave of post-war expansion of state university system.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-berdahl_3-0"><font color="#0645ad"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></font></p>
Berdahl contends that because of their age, the flagship institutions of a university system are often the largest and best financed and are perceived as elite relative to non-flagship state schools.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-berdahl_3-1"><font color="#0645ad"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></font> He comments that "Those of us in "systems" of higher education are frequently actively discouraged from using the term "flagship" to refer to our campuses because it is seen as hurtful to the self-esteem of colleagues at other institutions in our systems. The use of the term is seen by some as elitist and boastful. It is viewed by many, in the context of the politics of higher education, as 'politically incorrect.' ... Only in the safe company of alumni is one permitted to use the term."<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-berdahl_3-2"><font color="#0645ad"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></font></p>
Nevertheless, some state universities and their officials still use the term "flagship" in official contexts. For example, "As the system's flagship campus, [UMass-]Amherst draws from throughout the Commonwealth, the nation and the world;"<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-4"><font color="#0645ad"><span>[</span>5<span>]</span></font> and "It is a pleasure to report to the General Assembly on the accomplishments and initiatives of the State [of Maryland]'s Flagship University."<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-5"><font color="#0645ad"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></font></p>
Now, if you want to compare undergrad enrollments for the next dick
measuring competition, go for it. See if that gets your motor running.
You can even post the numbers over your headboard if they're in your
favor, so that you don't have any trouble losing your mojo <span style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: underline;">when you're
17ing MY wife.
</span>I fixed it for you<span style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: underline;">
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measuring competition, go for it. See if that gets your motor running.
You can even post the numbers over your headboard if they're in your
favor, so that you don't have any trouble losing your mojo <span style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: underline;">when you're
17ing MY wife.
</span>I fixed it for you<span style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: underline;">
</span>
OM Main Campus 15,505
msu main campus 19,034
There, msu is is larger by about 3,500 students on campus. Here read this http://www.ihl.state.ms.us/research/downloads/2010enrollmentbook.pdf
The numbers are very close.
msu main campus 19,034
There, msu is is larger by about 3,500 students on campus. Here read this http://www.ihl.state.ms.us/research/downloads/2010enrollmentbook.pdf
The numbers are very close.
This just bolsters my point from earlier in the thread. You will note I even reference University of Maryland, a system of which I have some experience with. I worked on an Coastal Ecology Lab for their Eastern Shore campus, all decisions were made at the local level but had to get final approval from U of Maryland College Park (the Flagship of the system).
Univerity of Mississippi is Flagship to U. of Mississippi @ Tupelo. That is the only way Ole Miss can be correctly thought of as a 'Flagship Institution'. </p>
Univerity of Mississippi is Flagship to U. of Mississippi @ Tupelo. That is the only way Ole Miss can be correctly thought of as a 'Flagship Institution'. </p>
I was just disputing the claim that flagship universities were the land and sea grant schools. I think using the provided definition neither school are flagship schools of the state. OM has the argument that they are older and msu has the argument that they are the biggest. The bottom line is it doesn't f$%king matter. msu fans are going to see state as the flagship and OM people are going to do the same for OM.
Sorry. I should have worded my response better.
I think this whole 'Flagship' thing is stupid. Both Universities are controlled by the IHL. There is no true Flagship University in the state. So on that point we totally agree. And Enrollment smack is dumb as well. I guess it's just one way to combat the 'were older' argument.
Thursday can't come soon enough.
I think this whole 'Flagship' thing is stupid. Both Universities are controlled by the IHL. There is no true Flagship University in the state. So on that point we totally agree. And Enrollment smack is dumb as well. I guess it's just one way to combat the 'were older' argument.
Thursday can't come soon enough.
So it's like one brother (let's say 2 years older) who weighs 150 pounds telling his younger brother who weighs 160 pounds that he's better because he's older and the younger brother saying he's better because he's bigger.
Meanwhile, they're both fighting against a bunch of cousins that go about 250. Works out well.
And in our analogy, here is Ole Miss/Alabama or MSU/LSU:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LJ7B-n96eo
Meanwhile, they're both fighting against a bunch of cousins that go about 250. Works out well.
And in our analogy, here is Ole Miss/Alabama or MSU/LSU:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LJ7B-n96eo
People are so worried about their hate and wanting to be better than the other school sometimes people forget to use common sense. msu has 2500 more undergrads than OM but OM has larger freshmen and sophmore classes not by much but they are larger. msu has more on campus grad students than OM but OM has a larger overall grad student number. The bottom line is the schools close in size and neither are going to be the size of Bama, LSU or UF in the near future.
You know that can be written and changed by anyone right? Hold on, let me go find a blog entry to refute.
Also according to your concrete source of Wikipedia, "Berdail contends that because of their age, the flagship institutions are often the LARGEST and best financed"
So I'm confused. You are saying MSU is the flagship?
Also according to your concrete source of Wikipedia, "Berdail contends that because of their age, the flagship institutions are often the LARGEST and best financed"
So I'm confused. You are saying MSU is the flagship?
just keep it sports related. I really hate the whole Cow College, Racist, Flagship, People's University, Lil' Brother, Lil' Sister, Social & Class divisions we throw back and forth. I think differences in how the Universities approach their missions may differ but we're all mainly from Mississippi. My Siblings went to Ole Miss and I went to State. I certainly didn't become some sort of low class redneck tractor driving cow milking camo wearing rube. And my siblings certainly weren't automatically imbued with the literary skills of William Faulkner, the Beauty of Ms America, or the social graces of Emily Post.<div>However I would be remiss to not mention that I have driven a tractor on city road no less, worncamouflage, and milked a cow (field trip experience). And so has my Ole Miss educated brother.</div>
but only after looking at the source that the article came from. Yes Wikipedia can be changed by anyone but if you take the time to check the sources at the bottom you can tell if it has been changed. As far as the flagship issue look at my follow up post. I don't think OM nor msu meet the flagship status. Both schools answer to the IHL and although state holds a small advantage over OM in enrollment, OM has a larger budget and is older. It really doesn't matter you are going to think what you think and no one can do anything to change that.
The IHL claims our past two incoming freshmen classes have been the largest ever in the state of MS. Boone didnt just pull it out of his ***.
http://www.ihl.state.ms.us/ihl/newsstory.asp?ID=890
http://www.ihl.state.ms.us/ihl/newsstory.asp?ID=890
While UMMC is under our wing, counting it in this conversation is stupid. Half the people in my class hate OM. UMMC's colors are Blue and Silver.
<font size="2">NOPD1024 said:
</font><font size="2">Quoting the source you did, how can you possibly argue "I don't think OM nor msu meet the flagship status." If you took the time to check your source you'd notice "</font><font size="2">Many came into being
after the Morrill Act of 1863 provided the federal grants of land to
the states to establish public universities........</font><font size="3"><font size="2">But it was always clear that the one or two
institutions that were the original land-grant or public universities
in the states were the flagships--the leaders--even though they may
not have been referred to as such." So based on your source, you can argue that MSU is the flagship of the state based on land-grant status (which I still do). You can even argue, based on your source, that both OM and MSU are flagships, since both are large, old, public universities. But you can't argue that neither are. Fact is, you googled "Flagship," read the wikipedia article on it, claimed to have read the background source, totally contradicted the background source, and then tried to act like <span style="font-weight: bold;">I</span> was the idiot.
Sorry guys that this is going off-sports. But when a total 17 tries to one-up you with a wikipedia article, I feel some level of response is needed.</font>
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Bruiser you are a victim of your own propaganda. The fact is the term flagship is rarely used by anymore because it totally lacks meaning. A few misinformed reporters and Ole Miss folk represent the last bastion of the concept. In most cases its considered snarky to lay claim to the label. Now if you would look up the definition that would be used and then look aqt the facts you would be embarassed trying to make your case. Mississippi State brings in more scholarly research funding than you and your other 6 little brothers in the system combined. State is the only Mississippi university with the top Carnegie Foundation ranking and the company there is elite. This is easy to look up if you would like to. And this is Carnegie -- the Gold standard of rankings based on performance and not con jobs like Princeton Review and U.S News and World report. Size has very little to do with it, though if it did years of freshman classes with the highest composite ACT's would serve to undergird that. Finally, while Ole Miss is confined to Oxford (a nice town) Mississippi State has responsibilities in every county in the state. You have a Phi Beta Kappa chapter but were in existance for 150 years as a liberal arts school beofre you were able to put the politics together to get one. We may have one day and we may not. In the meantyime we have bigger fish to fry. Now follow us. As a former president once said Mississippi Stae means more to its state than any other university in the country.
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