This is what I don't get re: Stansbury

[MadDawg.sixpack]

Okay, nobody questions the year has not been great. Some early bad losses really set the tone for the season. But what I realy want to address is two losses - the two double overtime losses. We lost to LSU and Alabama in games that obviously could have gone either way. No, I'm not saying "we should have won" or "we were robbed" or anything like that. We lost. Period. But you don't go to 2 overtimes unless the game was simply one made shot either way from being won by either team in regulation or the first overtime. So, two made shots and we win 2 more games. So here we are at 7-6 and we have people saying it's time for Stansbury to go. It's past his time. He can't coach offense. He can't coach defense. He can't recruit. He can't draw up inbound plays. He can't substitute right. He can't, well, hell, he just simply can't coach. We have posters here who basically say they could do better. BUT, and it's a big but (I know butts), we make 2 more shots - 2 shots - and we are sitting at 9-4 still behind LSU by a mile, but with a decent case for getting in the big dance. All of a sudden the critics, while not silent (we could be 28-0 and would still have people bitching about Stans), would be far less and the calls for Stans head would be non-existent.

So make 2 shots in 2 games and your doing a pretty good job Stans, keep up the good work. Miss 2 shots in 2 games and "GET THE HELL OUT OF TOWN STAINS! (and take that woman of yours with you!)

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

Okay, nobody questions the year has not been great. Some early bad losses really set the tone for the season. But what I realy want to address is two losses - the two double overtime losses. We lost to LSU and Alabama in games that obviously could have gone either way. No, I'm not saying "we should have won" or "we were robbed" or anything like that. We lost. Period. But you don't go to 2 overtimes unless the game was simply one made shot either way from being won by either team in regulation or the first overtime. So, two made shots and we win 2 more games. So here we are at 7-6 and we have people saying it's time for Stansbury to go. It's past his time. He can't coach offense. He can't coach defense. He can't recruit. He can't draw up inbound plays. He can't substitute right. He can't, well, hell, he just simply can't coach. We have posters here who basically say they could do better. BUT, and it's a big but (I know butts), we make 2 more shots - 2 shots - and we are sitting at 9-4 still behind LSU by a mile, but with a decent case for getting in the big dance. All of a sudden the critics, while not silent (we could be 28-0 and would still have people bitching about Stans), would be far less and the calls for Stans head would be non-existent.

So make 2 shots in 2 games and your doing a pretty good job Stans, keep up the good work. Miss 2 shots in 2 games and "GET THE HELL OUT OF TOWN STAINS! (and take that woman of yours with you!)

 

[DerHntr]

two more shots with a young team. reasons for having a young team is debatable considering our defections but at face value that is what we have. if it surprises any of you that a young team couldn't get it done in two overtime games then you don't know **** from shampoo. it still sucks but it isn't suprising at all.

the problem about the entire season is we came out the gate shooting lights out and ended up 6-2 in SEC. like i asked in a previous thread, would you guys be happier if we had won every other SEC game so that you wouldn't get your feelings hurt after this team started playing like most of us expected prior to the season beginning?

 

[BriantheDawg]

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[dawgstudent]

but to me, it's just about results. And our goal each season should be the NCAA Tourney. If he doesn't make it this year or next, that's 1 out of the past 5.

We could easily get burned and get a guy who is a worse coach than Stansbury, he won't win as many games, etc. But to me, and even Stansbury said in a previous interview a number of years ago, the NIT should not be what we settle for.

 

[DowntownDawg]

....what about 2006 and 2008 football? 2006 - we lose 4 games by 3 points or whatever the line was. Come on, it's a loss. And what rubs me the wrong way about those losses is that WE NEVER make a last second shot to win unless it's a miracle. We never have a play drawn up. It's always, put it in the hands of Player X and let him try to score. The last 3 years that was Jamont, and that rarely worked out (KY in the SEC tournament being the only time that immediately comes to mind), and we lost a whole bunch of close games. This year the Barry Stewart is the guy. That aggravates the crap out of me. If we are coming down the court with a tie ballgame and a shot to win, the game is going to overtime. It's automatic. If we are coming down the court down one with a shot to win, we lose. It's another of Stansbury's hallmarks.

 

[Bulldog Backer]

...we entered this season with at best very modest expectations. We were predicted to be anywhere from #3 (the best) to #5 in the SEC West by most preseason magazines. Every year, Rick Stansbury exceeds the expectations of almost all the pundits. He has had one losing season in 11 years, yet people are asking for him to be fired? That is beyond idiotic, it is downright lame. The whole argument serves no useful purpose, and simply provides ammunition for opponents to plant seeds of doubt about stability in our program.

 

[OEMDawg]

Well if we are going to play what ifs, how about this one. If somebody had told you in October that this team would have 3 road wins including Bud Walton AND Rupp, would your expectations at that time have been higher than our current 7-6 record? It will end up being a pretty dramatic collapse IMO if we end up at or below .500 especially getting swept by Ole Miss and/or Auburn.

 

[seshomoru]

exceeding low expectations isn't exactly a strong measure of success.

 

[DerHntr]

like i asked in a previous thread, would you guys be happier if we had won every other SEC game so that you wouldn't get your feelings hurt after this team started playing like most of us expected prior to the season beginning?

 

[thunderclap]

if said coach knew how to draw a play up for anybody other than Barry Stewart, who shoots on a good night 40% from the field, those two games would have had a better chance at going the other way.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

Stans really needed to find another go-to-guy.

 

[futaba.79]

clock is ticking down in the first OT and Stans spread the floor to let Bost take his man. Dee leaves his guy standing there, drives to the goal and misses the layup.

Stansbury uses more than just Stewart. Barry's misses seem to be magnified since he's the guy the board loves to hate.

 

[8dog]

or get to the line. Stewart continues to dribble, pump fake and put up an awful shot. And yes, the ball is in his hands in way too many critical situations.

Barry Stewart is actually an easy guy to like. I don't think anyone is prejudiced against him. I think that everyone here has sufficient support for their opinions of him.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

...if I understood it.

would you guys be happier if we had won every other SEC game so that you wouldn't get your feelings hurt after this team started playing like most of us expected prior to the season beginning?

Would I be happier if we won all our SEC games? Let me think about that....YES. I would be. Is that what you are asking? Somehow I think not.

 

[8dog]

we played. 13-0 would be nice right now. Are there people that would be unhappy?

 

[dawgstudent]

I don't care how the team gets to the NCAA Tourney, just get there. If it takes us winning every other SEC game on our way to a 16-0 record, so be it.

 

[BriantheDawg]

That would mean you win one, then lose one. Win one, then lose one. Win one, then lose one. Win one, then lose one.

Gee, that sure was difficult to understand.

 

[dawgstudent]

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[8dog]

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[dawgstudent]

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[DawgatAuburn]

I thought he was referencing the UT game and asking would I be happier to have won every other game OTHER THAN THAT one.

What you said makes sense. For once.

 

[8dog]

Not getting down 17 in the first 10 minutes to Auburn b/c you let our worst defender guard one of the SEC's top 3 point shooters, not letting Barry Stewart go one on one in critial possessions as in the last possession at Bama, relenting a little on the small lineup during the stretches we get killed, and develop a semblence of a half court offense. Do those and I really don't care what our record is.

 

[lanceharbor7]

I heart Lionel

 

[DowntownDawg]

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[DerHntr]

this is what i mean by every OTHER game in the SEC being won to get us to 7-6. that means we win the first, lose the second, win the third, etc. <div> </div> <div> instead we went 6-2 and then 1-4 and got to 7-6. going 6-2 first got everyone thinking we actually were good. the problem is we weren't playing the harder part of our schedule. so we started losing and now everyone is all up in arms about us "crashing and burning" or "falling apart" when in essence we were still the same team that looked crappy in pre-SEC play.

i just find it funny that everyone is ready to kill stans for doing exactly what was predicted by most. how we get to mediocre doesn't really matter to me. at the end, we still aren't very good. </div>

 

[ababyatemydingo]

exceeding low expectations isn't exactly a strong measure of success.

<span style="font-weight: bold;">AMEN</span> to that. And another thing...nobody is talking about <span style="font-weight: bold;">why</span> our expectations were so low this year. You've got to have the solid coaching that talented players want to play for. Apparently, we don't have that. Hell, Jamont said in that BDJ post that he pretty much chose us as consolation, after Pearl yanked his chain by lying to him. Yeah, we landed Bost last year...after he was overlooked. We got lucky with Varnado. I don't really see "superstar" in Osby. I hope I'm wrong. Randy jacks up dead ducks from half court. And that reminds me....what in the HELL is the deal with that this year? It's not just our players. You see it all over the country. Players thinking they need to jack it from 26 feet, instead of stepping up to the 3 point line. 'Bout like retarded football players who try to get style points by tossing the ball away just as they cross the goal line (and sometimes before). But, I digress...Holy ****, where's the Tylenol?

 

[maroonmania]

basically not losing seemingly EVERY game that can go either way. Do you realize that 4 of our 6 SEC losses have been by 5 points or less with 2 ending up tied at the end of regulation and a first OT. On the flip side ALL of our SEC wins have been by a minimum of 5 points. That means we are losing EVERY game that comes down the last possession or two in a game. Those are the kind of games that floor coaching OR having a player that can step up and make a play makes all the difference and right now we have neither. So the only hope I have for being any better next year is having a player finally be able to step up and make plays down the stretch of games because I've seen enough of the floor coaching of Stans and staff to know that that area isn't ever going to improve in tough games. For me its really not just about high or low expectations, its about what was this team capable of versus what did we get, and our results in the way we have lost games this year are showing that this team was definitely capable of much better results than what we are going to end up with.

 

[WPDawg]

Stansbury got a great opportunity when R.Williams retired from MSU. I believe this was because he was a very good recruiter. Good players make good coaches and Stansbury's recruiting has helped make him successful. He is tough on kids who do not want to tow the line and we have lost some players who could have made us possibly better. But the kids that follow him are usually a standup group and represent our university very well. In my few opportunities to meet the team in his tenure, they have always been polite and willing to talk and sign autographs. My brother attended the Auburn game at Auburn last year with his young kids and they just happened to be walking past the MSU bus as the team were about to get back on the bus after the game. Stansbury noticed the MSU gear they were wearing and made a point to speak to his kids and the players stopped and spoke to them as well. My brother was impressed that they took a moment to recognize their attendance and how polite all the players were. I say that to recognize Stansbury's effort to run a team that seems to be aware of their status as a extension of the university and to act in way that the fans can be proud of.

With that said, even though I think Stansbury has done an admiral job, I do think he would benefit with an assitant coach who was stronger in the Xs and Os. It would be great if he could pick up someone with many years of experience that could really put Stansbury's talent in some good offensive schemes. Maybe that is something we can hope for next year under the new AD. I dont think its time for Stans to go but would love to see him upgrade his staff.

Just another opinion from the cheap seats.