This is why Jackson has to be fixed

615dawg

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The lithium deposits are going to change this state. You can already see with the investments coming in. We have to have a livable city.
 

John Deaux VII

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I am all for fixing the nonsense that is Jackson, but if there is money to be made in extracting the lithium, that will happen regardless.
 

FormerBully

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Holy Smokes. I did not know we had a lithium deposit that large or had any at all.
 
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I wonder if this is accurate on the Lithium Deposits.....I listened to an interview on Supertalk about a month ago with a guy who was obviously involved with it in a major way and he mentioned that the Lithium deposits stretch across North MS from Arkansas down across Alabama....even mention Tunica in the interview....who knows, but I agree with the Jackson thing
 

615dawg

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Holy Smokes. I did not know we had a lithium deposit that large or had any at all.
Yep. Discovered in 2024


Scientists derived samples from the Arkansas portion of the Smackover Formation – which spans six states from Florida’s Gulf Coast, through parts of Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, and stretching across Texas.

Researchers used artificial intelligence to develop a map of the area that they say contains enough lithium to end the US’s reliance on imports.
 

John Deaux VII

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I wonder if this is accurate on the Lithium Deposits.....I listened to an interview on Supertalk about a month ago with a guy who was obviously involved with it in a major way and he mentioned that the Lithium deposits stretch across North MS from Arkansas down across Alabama....even mention Tunica in the interview....who knows, but I agree with the Jackson thing
I would be interested to know the prospects for North Mississippi. Like alot of people from Mississippi, my great-grand parents sold the farm and "moved to town" in the early 1930's. Nobody knows if its was on purpose or by misstake, but they retained the mineral rights to the land when they sold it. I have an interest in the mineral rights of land that has been out of my family for almost 100 years. A company did some exploration for gas in the early 2000's and we got a small lease payment, but that is all that has ever come of it.
 
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615dawg

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I would be interested to know the prospects for North Mississippi. Like alot of people from Mississippi, my great-grand parents sold the farm and "moved to town" in the early 1930's. Nobody knows if its was on purpose or by misstake, but they retained the mineral rights to the land when they sold it. I have an interest in the mineral rights of land that has been out of my family for almost 100 years. A company did some exploration for gas in the early 2000's and we got a small lease payment, but that is all that has ever come of it.
From what I know and have been told, the satellite map above is pretty accurate. The guy on Supertalk was not entirely accurate. The lithium deposits are in the South Delta and cover most of Central Mississippi and the Pine Belt.
 

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We have land included in the formation so I asked my brother who is a chemical engineer involved with the state. Here is what he replied:


That smackover formation is heavily solution mined in Arkansas. When it gets to ms it's very high in h2s which is poisonous gas and greatly complicates extraction. It also contains oil and gas but has never been tapped much in ms due to h2s issue.


Arkansas has all the infrastructure and quite a bit of wells and is leading production. Don't see it moving from ark until depleted
 

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That smackover formation is heavily solution mined in Arkansas. When it gets to ms it's very high in h2s which is poisonous gas and greatly complicates extraction. It also contains oil and gas but has never been tapped much in ms due to h2s issue.

A gas well not far from where family lives exploded in the early 90s. Firefighters had to keep a fire going because there was hydrogen sulfide…
 

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As soon as somebody figures out how to keep it from exploding, I'd love to see it. Maybe you're saying they have?
BMW, along with Toyota, have built a hydrogen fuel cell engine that's showing a lot of promise. You can refuel it in 3 minutes and it's putting out about 200 HP. It's coming at some point, was reading about it this morning.
 

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Good thing is, and to the chagrin of many a Mississippi redneck, verifiable progress is being made in Jackson.

For the fist time since 2019 Jackson is no longer leading the nation in per capita homicides. St. Louis holds that honor now. If current trends hold, Birmingham, Louisville, and Baton Rouge and others will pass Jackson by the end of the year. Birmingham is close now.

I know haters will scoff at this, but the hole Jackson dug itself out of was enormous. In 2020 and 2021, no other city was remotely close to Jackson on a per capita murder basis.

It is criminal what the former mayor allowed to happen in the city. Murders spiked from 64 in 2017, the year he took office, to 160 in 2021. There are currently 45 this year.

There are still billing issues with water, but usability has stabilized.

Several public schools have been consolidated. This was painful politically but much needed.

Give us the lake and we're rolling.
 

Perd Hapley

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If we mine it properly we could replace Jackson with a new swimming hole.
Well, that would be a viable plan, if not for the giant underground volcano.

That’s actually quite the fitting description of the paradox that is Jackson….problems can’t even be fixed by completely digging it out of the earth and starting over from scratch.
 

Perd Hapley

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While I applaud anyone doing anything to make Jackson better, mines and mining don't exactly require a large stable city nearby.
Correct. Mining for a lithium and cobalt and other rare earth metals is often done in 3rd world countries, with labor that is readily available due to profound lack of opportunities to do anything else for wages in those very primitively developed economies.

Oftentimes, the miners will be paid minimal wages and will not even have clean running water in their homes. Very rarely do the elected officials in these regions ever do anything to aid the plight of the workers, as long as the big mining companies keep lining their pockets in exchange for the leases.

It seems like it’d be kind of difficult for a larger US city to be conducive to supporting such an endeavor happening nearby, unless….
 
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Perd Hapley

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As soon as somebody figures out how to keep it from exploding, I'd love to see it. Maybe you're saying they have?

The “keeping it from exploding” part is not really an issue anymore. Plenty of ways to create the crash test strength and other mitigation redundancies needed for the tanks. And all the BEV’s already carry elevated explosion and fire risk that’s not much better than hydrogen.

The bigger issue is infrastructure. Hydrogen is of course readily available and constantly renewable….but the electrolysis processing capacity that would be needed to meet the demands of millions of drivers is a pipe dream at this point. This is the biggest disadvantage compared to BEV’s. As much as people like to call attention to overloaded electrical grids in places like California and other major cities (which is an issue), electricity is at least already there and in the form that it needs to be in for power generation. Last I checked, there were only 2 or 3 public hydrogen fueling gas stations in the entire United States, and all of them are in Southern California. Getting from that point to being able to pull up to even 1 out of every 10 existing gas stations to do a hydrogen fill up is a massive undertaking.
 
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We have land included in the formation so I asked my brother who is a chemical engineer involved with the state. Here is what he replied:


That smackover formation is heavily solution mined in Arkansas. When it gets to ms it's very high in h2s which is poisonous gas and greatly complicates extraction. It also contains oil and gas but has never been tapped much in ms due to h2s issue.


Arkansas has all the infrastructure and quite a bit of wells and is leading production. Don't see it moving from ark until depleted
H2S is brutal, out in Midland all of the trucks and workers carried meters. As soon as one went off everyone would sprint away immediately and the site would be shut down until cleared.
 
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BMW, along with Toyota, have built a hydrogen fuel cell engine that's showing a lot of promise. You can refuel it in 3 minutes and it's putting out about 200 HP. It's coming at some point, was reading about it this morning.
I stand corrected. Still skeptical.
 
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The “keeping it from exploding” part is not really an issue anymore. Plenty of ways to create the crash test strength and other mitigation redundancies needed for the tanks. And all the BEV’s already carry elevated explosion and fire risk that’s not much better than hydrogen.

The bigger issue is infrastructure. Hydrogen is of course readily available and constantly renewable….but the electrolysis processing capacity that would be needed to meet the demands of millions of drivers is a pipe dream at this point. This is the biggest disadvantage compared to BEV’s. As much as people like to call attention to overloaded electrical grids in places like California and other major cities (which is an issue), electricity is at least already there and in the form that it needs to be in for power generation. Last I checked, there were only 2 or 3 public hydrogen fueling gas stations in the entire United States, and all of them are in Southern California. Getting from that point to being able to pull up to even 1 out of every 10 existing gas stations to do a hydrogen fill up is a massive undertaking.
Yeah. I just don't see any way hydrogen production and distribution can be anywhere close to being scaled up and economically feasible in the next 50 years. If ever.
 

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Good thing is, and to the chagrin of many a Mississippi redneck, verifiable progress is being made in Jackson.

For the fist time since 2019 Jackson is no longer leading the nation in per capita homicides. St. Louis holds that honor now. If current trends hold, Birmingham, Louisville, and Baton Rouge and others will pass Jackson by the end of the year. Birmingham is close now.

I know haters will scoff at this, but the hole Jackson dug itself out of was enormous. In 2020 and 2021, no other city was remotely close to Jackson on a per capita murder basis.

It is criminal what the former mayor allowed to happen in the city. Murders spiked from 64 in 2017, the year he took office, to 160 in 2021. There are currently 45 this year.

There are still billing issues with water, but usability has stabilized.

Several public schools have been consolidated. This was painful politically but much needed.

Give us the lake and we're rolling.
I certainly hope the new leadership keeps it up, but i'm not gonna give them the benefit of the doubt just yet.