This is why Jackson has to be fixed

thatsbaseball

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While I applaud anyone doing anything to make Jackson better, mines and mining don't exactly require a large stable city nearby.
If I'm understanding this correctly the deposits are in the form of "brine". I think this means this "mining" would actually be "drilling".
 
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Not if Big Lithium has any say. But seriously, OM plantiff lawyers are probably already figuring out how to get their cut.

"Were you injured in a Lithium mining accident?"
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Honestly it wouldn't surprise me that if someone does try to open up a lithium mine in the state (that would bring in major $$$), that some Ole Miss lawyer ends ups screwing over the whole state with a petty lawsuit.
 
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The lithium deposits are going to change this state. You can already see with the investments coming in. We have to have a livable city.
Where's this map from? We have 300 acres in Brownsville. This would be Beverly Hillbillies worthy hype considering the only income for 40 years has been pine trees.
 
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Yeah. I just don't see any way hydrogen production and distribution can be anywhere close to being scaled up and economically feasible in the next 50 years. If ever.
Which sucks considering we have oceans full of hydrogen. One day we will figure it out and that will change the trajectory of humanity and our relationship with the earth. But like you said - not any time soon.
 
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Which sucks considering we have oceans full of hydrogen. One day we will figure it out and that will change the trajectory of humanity and our relationship with the earth. But like you said - not any time soon.
I’m sure when we do the environmentalist will say something along the lines of “climate change”!!
 
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Good thing is, and to the chagrin of many a Mississippi redneck, verifiable progress is being made in Jackson.

For the fist time since 2019 Jackson is no longer leading the nation in per capita homicides. St. Louis holds that honor now. If current trends hold, Birmingham, Louisville, and Baton Rouge and others will pass Jackson by the end of the year. Birmingham is close now.

I know haters will scoff at this, but the hole Jackson dug itself out of was enormous. In 2020 and 2021, no other city was remotely close to Jackson on a per capita murder basis.

It is criminal what the former mayor allowed to happen in the city. Murders spiked from 64 in 2017, the year he took office, to 160 in 2021. There are currently 45 this year.

There are still billing issues with water, but usability has stabilized.

Several public schools have been consolidated. This was painful politically but much needed.

Give us the lake and we're rolling.
Been hearing it for years. Not buying anymore. I sure hope it happens….thats well documented here. But I’ve given up.
 
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Which sucks considering we have oceans full of hydrogen. One day we will figure it out and that will change the trajectory of humanity and our relationship with the earth. But like you said - not any time soon.
That would be the holy grail of clean energy if we could ever figure out a way to do it. Not sure it will ever be feasible though.
 

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That would be the holy grail of clean energy if we could ever figure out a way to do it. Not sure it will ever be feasible though.
Right. Maybe you could leverage a future super efficient solar energy tech to split the molecules to harvest hydrogen economically but at that point you have an efficient economic solar energy tech so what would be the point? Damnit, physics.
 
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Right. Maybe you could leverage a future super efficient solar energy tech to split the molecules to harvest hydrogen economically but at that point you have an efficient economic solar energy tech so what would be the point? Damnit, physics.
We just need that Newman guy from Lucedale to come back & show us how his perpetual energy machine works. **
 

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Right. Maybe you could leverage a future super efficient solar energy tech to split the molecules to harvest hydrogen economically but at that point you have an efficient economic solar energy tech so what would be the point? Damnit, physics.
Its really not THAT hard or expensive to harvest it. The problem is that its a front end investment with no guaranteed back end payday….because there are no hydrogen cars. “Chicken or the egg” problem. If there were suddenly a million hydrogen powered vehicles on the road right now, it’d be really easy and economical to justify putting money into the harvesting and distribution. If there were even 1,000 hydrogen refueling stations, it’d be easy and economical to justify buying a hydrogen powered vehicle. But right now, neither exists.

It’s going to take a few Musk-like billionaires making a big bet on the tech and sinking in a lot of money on the distribution in order for it to ever take off.
 

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Its really not THAT hard or expensive to harvest it. The problem is that its a front end investment with no guaranteed back end payday….because there are no hydrogen cars. “Chicken or the egg” problem. If there were suddenly a million hydrogen powered vehicles on the road right now, it’d be really easy and economical to justify putting money into the harvesting and distribution. If there were even 1,000 hydrogen refueling stations, it’d be easy and economical to justify buying a hydrogen powered vehicle. But right now, neither exists.

It’s going to take a few Musk-like billionaires making a big bet on the tech and sinking in a lot of money on the distribution in order for it to ever take off.
Out of my element here but I've always understood that "green" hydrogen (getting it from water or some other clean source) is prohibitively expensive. It takes a lot of energy to harvest that energy so it's a pass - with current tech at least. I understand your point about infrastructure. There's just no incentive to exchange petroleum infrastructure for "dirty" hydrogen infrastructure. Dirty hydrogen is coming from fossil fuels so it doesn't make sense to pivot to that. Stay with the fossil fuels in that case and wait for the real clean source to replace it. A dirty hydrogen fuel cell car would just be inconvenient with not a lot of positive environmental impact or lift and shift to a better energy supply chain.
 

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We just need that Newman guy from Lucedale to come back & show us how his perpetual energy machine works. **
Back in '88 or '89 or so, that guy spoke at the W and a couple of physics professors and I drove over to see what he said. He seemed utterly convinced he had made a breakthrough. I kind of wish I had a copy of his book but I wasn't giving the guy any money. He got progressively loonier throughout the rest of his life.
 

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Back in '88 or '89 or so, that guy spoke at the W and a couple of physics professors and I drove over to see what he said. He seemed utterly convinced he had made a breakthrough. I kind of wish I had a copy of his book but I wasn't giving the guy any money. He got progressively loonier throughout the rest of his life.
Man what a rabbit hole i just went down. Apparently he drove a car around the superdome that was "powered" by his machine. Wonder if anyone looked under the hood closely.
 

MagicDawg

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Back in '88 or '89 or so, that guy spoke at the W and a couple of physics professors and I drove over to see what he said. He seemed utterly convinced he had made a breakthrough. I kind of wish I had a copy of his book but I wasn't giving the guy any money. He got progressively loonier throughout the rest of his life.
Somewhere in a storage box I have a picture of me with that guy. He was definitely a character.
 

Perd Hapley

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Out of my element here but I've always understood that "green" hydrogen (getting it from water or some other clean source) is prohibitively expensive. It takes a lot of energy to harvest that energy so it's a pass - with current tech at least. I understand your point about infrastructure. There's just no incentive to exchange petroleum infrastructure for "dirty" hydrogen infrastructure. Dirty hydrogen is coming from fossil fuels so it doesn't make sense to pivot to that. Stay with the fossil fuels in that case and wait for the real clean source to replace it. A dirty hydrogen fuel cell car would just be inconvenient with not a lot of positive environmental impact or lift and shift to a better energy supply chain.
Well currently there just isn’t the scale necessary with green or gray hydrogen….because the demand isn’t there. Green hydrogen harvesting costs more than gray right now, but is forecasted to actually be cheaper within a decade.

I wouldn’t say its a waste to swap conventional fossil fuel vehicle energy for gray hydrogen as a temporary bridge in order to provide the green hydrogen tech some time to scale up and become more efficient. For hydrogen fuel to become viable, right now we actually need both because we need all the capacity we can get for havesting. At some point the fuel availability has to come on line before any automakers are going to dedicate major investment or production volume to hydrogen fuel cells.

The most likely result is that its going to require government subsidies in order to get it off the ground initially….that’s the only way to solve the chicken or egg dilemma. And we all know the administration that would need to provide those won’t be the current one. So its a discussion that’s probably not worth having until 2028.
 

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Honestly it wouldn't surprise me that if someone does try to open up a lithium mine in the state (that would bring in major $$$), that some Ole Miss lawyer ends ups screwing over the whole state with a petty lawsuit.
That will 100% happen.