this is why we dont win...

Felonious Junk

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Total Rivals Recruiting Points over last 4 years:</p>

Florida 10,514
Bama 9,719
LSU 9,665</p>

Georgia 7,976
Tennessee 7,838
Auburn 7,432
South Carolina 6,806</p>

Ole Miss 5,550
Arkansas 4,542</p>

Miss St 3,921
Kentucky 2,700(est)
Vandy 2,000 (est)

I am not a huge star rankings guy but over the long term the facts speak for themselves. Win loss totals pretty much directly correlate to these numbers. if we want to win, we have to get better at this.</p>
 

Felonious Junk

All-Conference
Oct 23, 2008
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Total Rivals Recruiting Points over last 4 years:</p>

Florida 10,514
Bama 9,719
LSU 9,665</p>

Georgia 7,976
Tennessee 7,838
Auburn 7,432
South Carolina 6,806</p>

Ole Miss 5,550
Arkansas 4,542</p>

Miss St 3,921
Kentucky 2,700(est)
Vandy 2,000 (est)

I am not a huge star rankings guy but over the long term the facts speak for themselves. Win loss totals pretty much directly correlate to these numbers. if we want to win, we have to get better at this.</p>
 

Coach34

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we need a new bagman. At some point we have to show that we can pull off one of these games to open some eyes...would be a huge boost to recruiting
 

MSUCosmo

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That's the one area where the "stars don't matter" crowd is wrong. Stars definitely do matter when you are backloading your class with 1 star SWAC recruits like Mr. Crooms. We have little depth at LB, FB, WR, and are young in the secondary and D-line for this very reason.
 

Felonious Junk

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If recruiting point totals directly correlate to on the field results, then UGAs performance is right in line.
 
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Maron Whit

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you have to at least sign quality players. Or players that you can successfully develop. You can't sign Ty Evans and Michael Henig and Neon Keon.
 

UpTheMiddlex3Punt

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Granted, they don't have the titles, even though they have a record in that time frame comparable to LSU.

The real loser in that group is UT (22-17).
 

maroonmania

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in our offense would remedy a lot of our problems. Hopefully Tyler Russell will end up being that guy but I'm personally convinced that losing out on Cam Newton last recruiting period will end up costing us at least 3 wins on the schedule this year. Relf does not have a good enough handle on the passing game for the way we are playing him and Russell is still not quite ready for prime time. Its just very hard to win in this conference with subpar QB play.
 

Felonious Junk

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Most of those players won back to back cotton bowls. Good players still have to be coached. O was not a coach but he was a great recruiter
 

Coach34

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tenureplan said:
Look what O did recruiting wise at OM while never really winning any big games.


Mississippi also had some recent success and a #2 overall draft pick they could sell in homes- we don't...not to mention a new coach gets a little excitement in the beginning as well when he takes over...

Look what a bowl game did for Crooms? He actually had more talent take him seriously after the bowl game- they started bailing at the end when he fell right back on his face and thank goodness we pulled the plug- but it did get him considered more seriously at the time.
 

MSUCosmo

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We have 6 fifth year seniors on the roster from the 2006 class:

Reggie Odom (***)
Aaron Feld (**)
JC Brignone (***)
Mark Melichar (**)
Brandon Henderson (**)
Rodney Prince (**)

The only 4* in that class: Anthony Dixon

In the 2007 class, only KJ Wright and Damien Anderson are major contributors on the defensive side. As a matter of fact, Wright, Derek Sherrod, and Zach Smith are the only seniors from that recruiting class.
 

8dog

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2s and 3s and a few 4s (like State and Ole Miss). It means something when you are signing mostly 4s and 5s. The latter ones often pan out more often. 2s and 3s are just a roll of the dice.
 

RebelBruiser

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tenureplan said:
Look what O did recruiting wise at OM while never really winning any big games.

He went after a bunch of borderline academic guys and sold them on the fact that he could get them in...and he did.

Of course, it led to a higher attrition rate in some of those classes, and his final class was decimated because our academic committee forced him to limit the academic chances he took in the class due to APR concerns. Then we took an APR hit because of his strategy.

He went in and won a handful of big head to head battles for guys that did have grades, but he made up a lot of his classes with guys he was taking chances on, some which worked out really well, others that didn't. Kentrell Lockett, Ted Laurent, John Jerry, Michael Oher, Marcus Tillman, Marshay Green, Jonathon Cornell, and Jerrell Powe are some of the chances he took that clearly worked out well. Jamal Harvey, Chris Strong, Rod Davis, Scottie Williams, AJ Jackson, Terry Levy, and others didn't quite work out as well.

I do give him and his staff credit for out-evaluating other staffs on a lot of players though. Guys like Mike Wallace, Shay Hodge, Dexter McCluster, Lawon Scott, Cassius Vaughn, and Kendrick Lewis were all players that were not that highly recruited by other programs, and they did a good job picking them out, but for the most part the successes of his recruiting were not built by beating out LSU, Tennessee, Auburn, etc. head to head for players that they had high on their lists.

If you're going to build a program off recruiting without winning to back it up, I think you have to be a very shrewd evaluator, and you will probably have to take some chances on guys that aren't as academically strong, which is something we still both do, being that Mississippi is our key recruiting ground.
 

8dog

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just from looking at that list, I would think that leftovers from other states outside MS are just as likely to bust as leftovers from MS. But I know that's not true.
 
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Maron Whit

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which was a big reason for your 9 win season in 2008. If he's not at QB, you finish 5-7 at best.
 

RebelBruiser

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Maron Whit said:
which was a big reason for your 9 win season in 2008. If he's not at QB, you finish 5-7 at best.

Snead contacted us due to the fact that he had been recruited by Werner out of high school and was comfortable with him.

Are you telling me though that O was not a good recruiter though? If we had the talent to only be 5-7 in 2008 without the good fortune of a QB transfer, then obviously we hadn't recruited that well.
 

RebelBruiser

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Those schools have in-state access to the deepest talent bases in the SEC, and they get the pick of the litter.

Richt definitely has let things slide over recent years. I don't think he's a bad coach or that he's just forgotten how to coach, but he's not doing what Georgia is capable of doing in recent years.
 

patdog

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Even if you want to give credit for that to Werner, ultimately,Orgeron stillgets credit for it.
 
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Maron Whit

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I think O recruited well by Ole miss standards. But still without Snead you don't beat Florida, maybe not even Arkansas, and you don't get on that hot streak down the stretch. You may or may not beat Auburn and LSU. but O put the team together, in the end that's how it is.
 

RebelBruiser

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Petrino doesn't get credit for "recruiting" Mallet. In most cases, you either lost out on that recruit, or you're getting him because of a coaching change or the fact that the particular player wasn't getting the playing time he wanted elsewhere.

Sure you still have to do a sell job, but there is a lot of good fortune involved in landing a solid transfer. You don't get credit for doing your homework, evaluating and selling the prospect. In those cases, you have to be in a situation where the transfer sees your depth chart, likes it, contacts you and allows you a chance to bring them in.
 

MSUCosmo

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Yea, that was kinda my point that I didn't do really well bringing across. Give us a class of mostly 3 stars and we'd be ok. My point was that while Crooms did bring in some 4 stars like AD, Sherrod, Elliot, etc. you can't sign 10 "wants" in a class (3, 4, 5 stars) and then fill in the other 15 slots with SWAC talent, which is what our previous coach was happy to do.

And, as a result, we have very little senior and 5th year senior leadership on the 2 deep on either side of the ball to show for it.
 

maroonmania

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right now with Mullen. I am not speaking to anything other than that. If we had an above average SEC QB in place RIGHT NOW to put with the rest of what we have then I believe we are an 8-9 win football team. Now if you DOMINATE the trenches you can win with very mediocre QB play by just playing smash mouth football. And we did a lot of that during Jackie's days. Unfortunately though Mullen's offense puts more burden on the QB than that and we don't have a dominating OL right now anyway.