This needs to be determined now
- Thread starter DudyDog
- Start date
Nutt is a pretty good coach, but he'll never do any better than he did his first 2 years at Mississippi. We'll be OK with him as coach there. If he does leave, who knows. Their next hire could be a disaster on the Crxxm/Orgeron level or could be a huge success on the Tuberville/Sherrill level (and I think we'll be throwing Mullen's name in that group in a couple of years). Nutt leaving could be the best or the worst thing that could happen to Mississippi.
Nutt is a good coach, but it's hard to see him doing better than he has the last couple of years. I like the match up we have now with Mullen and Byrne running our program. Of course I'd love for Nutt to bolt and UM to respond with Orgeron 2.0, but they could do better than Nutt too.
Ideal situation: He waffles long enough to hurt their recruiting and anger their fanbase, but in the end stays onboard.
Ideal situation: He waffles long enough to hurt their recruiting and anger their fanbase, but in the end stays onboard.
I think he is a lazy recruiter. he's a good coach but he is not going to keep Ole Miss at a high level.
But that's because we whooped that *** this year, and, as long as he's at the helm, I think we've got a good chance to do it several more times in the near future. Also, Dan can obviously get under Nutt's skin (that sounded gross), and I don't think Nutt can handle having the competition, both in recruiting and on the field, that he's got with an in-state rivalry.
That being said, I think it would be absolutely hilarious if he left after 2 years. Mississippi's supposed return to glory that they were preaching at the beginning of this year will be all but devastated, with them losing a huge chunk of their team AND their head coach.</p>
That being said, I think it would be absolutely hilarious if he left after 2 years. Mississippi's supposed return to glory that they were preaching at the beginning of this year will be all but devastated, with them losing a huge chunk of their team AND their head coach.</p>
patdog said:
Just curious, but what is your reasoning behind this belief?
I'm not arguing against it, because I don't think you can do a whole lot better at any non-big 6 SEC school than making traditional NYD bowls fairly consistently, but I'm curious what your reasoning is.
If he hasn't done any better than that in that long, he never will. And don't give me this "it's easier to win at Mississippi than it is to win at Arkansas" ********. I know he did win 2 SEC West titles at Arkansas, but he had a 5-3 SEC record in 1 of those years (5 losses overall) and lost 4 games in the other year.
patdog said:
I don't disagree. I do believe he can equal what he's had these past two years, and I believe he can win a division title at Ole Miss if he gets some breaks with timing. I don't think he could do a whole lot better, and I don't think anyone else would either. I just wanted to know your reasoning.
As to your comment about him losing 4 games during that 2nd SEC West title year, that's a little misleading. They were 10-2 (7-1) when they went to the title game. They did lose the title game and the bowl game, but he didn't make the title game at 8-4, which is the way it sounds.
patdog said:
Probably not. That team had loads of talent on defense to go with all the playmakers on offense. It was really a stars aligning year for Arkansas, which is what it takes at one of our "little 6" programs. The only star that didn't align for them was the schedule, and it turned what could've been a spectacular season into just a great season. Their 4 losses at the end of the year were to the teams that finished 1, 3, 4, and 5 in the final Coaches poll of the regular season. Those 4 losses were to teams that combined to lose 6 total games on the season, yet Arkansas fans still scream about underachieving with that team. If our only losses at the end of any year are to teams that all finish in the Top 5, you won't catch me complaining.
I think he can put a good enough product on the field for us to have quality seasons and occasionally have a shot to back door a division, but that's about the ceiling for my expectations anyway. I'm not counting on the stars aligning like that for us though. And if they did, one of them would be just out of whack to keep us from any ultimate prize.
D
Dawg725
Guest
Number 1, he is a good coach in his prime
Number 2, any coaching change brings turmoil to a program.
Definitely go for me.
Number 2, any coaching change brings turmoil to a program.
Definitely go for me.
I lean slightly towards go. I don't think he's a real threat to our program making a comeback to Sherrill-level success, but at the same time I don't think Pete Boone could make that lucky of a hire again, and I'd love to see their fans squealing that their coach left them for a lesser program.
hooch1275 said:
I can't believe I even have to list this for you. It should be pretty obvious. The last time Ole Miss won an SEC title was 1963. Other than a shared title by Kentucky in 1976 (a title where UK lost the tiebreaker to UGA) there have only been 6 teams in the SEC to win an outright SEC since the Ole Miss title in 1963.
They are Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee. That same list of schools are the only schools to win an SEC title since the league expanded to 12 teams in 1992.
There is a definite Big 6 and Little 6 in the SEC, and the dividing line between the top and bottom is pretty clear. Not only is the top and bottom divided by SEC titles, but they are also divided by league record. Since 1992, the Big 6 in the SEC all have league records over .500, with LSU's 0.559 the worst record of the 6. The other 5 all have SEC winning percentages over .600 in that span. Arkansas is the best of the Little 6 in that period with a .465 SEC winning percentage, and they are much closer to 8th (Ole Miss) at .410 than they are to LSU at 6th. The other 4 league teams are all below .400 in league play since 1992.
But another poster made a great point. If Mullen does well here and we can hold onto him for at least 6 years, its clear he knows how to get under Nutts skin. Its also clear that Nutt doesn't/isn't doing well in head to head recruiting. For two reasons I believe 1. Call it laziness or just not a high octane recruiter 2. arrogance. I think he has the attitude of either you want to play for me and OM or you don't. I think Mullen has the attitude of "i'm going to convince you that you want to play for me and MSU".
like I said...just curious. You never know with some of these delusional fans... Auburn was the only one I was really on the fence about, but seriously man? It's not like I didn't use the googles first, you don't gotta be a dick about it...RebelBruiser said:
I didn't vote. I think Nutt's a pretty good coach (maybe a cut above Cutt). If that forces us to make changes (when necessary) to compete, it might be the best thing for MSU. So I really don't care (& not trying to dog on your poll, just my actual opinion). I will caveat to say that if his leaving would help us more, then, yes, I'd be for it (just not clear to me that would be the case).
You asked him a stupid question about which specific schools he listed at the SEC's "Big 6" (as if any idiot didn't know exactly which 6 schools he was talking about). How could you have possibly been "on the fence" about whether or not Auburn was on the list? The gap between the Big 6 and the rest of the SEC is HUGE.
hooch1275 said:
I thought you might have been trying to gauge my homerism. I wouldn't include us unless you extended it to 8, and there would be no reason to extend it to 8.
Auburn is 5th in the SEC in winning percentage since 1992, and they're the only one of the Big 6 schools to ONLY have 1 SEC title. They are one of 2 Big 6 schools not to have won a national title (UGA's the other), so I could see how they could be close to the edge of that top 6, but still they hold a wide gap over Arkansas, who is 7th. Auburn also has the fewest bowl appearances of the Big 6 since 1992 with 11. Arkansas with 10 and Ole Miss with 9 are next. Arkansas is by far the closest to the Big 6, as they are the only bottom 6 team with multiple title game appearances (3). They have the most bowl appearances and the best conference record, but they still have a wide gap in trying to catch Auburn or LSU.