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patdog

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I'm having trouble seeing how they could be helping us. The other top-10 class includes several true freshman pitchers that are performing pretty well for true freshmen.
 

8dog

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lets start getting to regionals (joke or no joke) and then we'll decide if our program can't go any further.

However, all the programs I listed have been to Supers.
 

KurtRambis4

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I would say that the vast majority of the people raising hell about Cohen have no idea what's going on because they haven't watched/listened to but maybe 3 or 4 innings all year. They will even admit this.
 

RebelBruiser

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Just to throw out the actual numbers for the discussion. This is the Pat Harrison era.

2000 - 30-25 (12-17) (0.5 games behind UK for SEC tourney 8 seed, UK did not get a regional bid)
1999 - 34-28 (17-13) (7 seed SEC tournament, lost in Texas A&M regional)
1998 - 30-23 (13-15) (missed SEC tournament)
1997 - 22-31 (6-24) (missed SEC tournament obviously)

We weren't dead in the water, but we weren't in great shape. Bianco's first years were a regional bid in 2001, followed by the collapse where we finished SEC play 2-10 to just miss the SEC tourney and regionals in 2002, followed by another regional bid in 2003, followed by his first hosted regional in 2004.
 

rebel law

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But I think can say pretty confidently that baseball America dropped the ball when they ranked MSU's class #8.
 

8dog

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I have no idea how anyone could see that class as #8. I thought it was a 20-25 class when we signed it, and I still feel that way.

BA is just a bush league college baseball source for anything.
 

patdog

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That magazine and its rankings are worthless. I was under the impression that Todd said it was Collegiate Baseball though, which is generally pretty good.
 

alabamadog

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I expected more out of these jucos. The only ones hitting over .250 are Sheperd and Vickerson, and Sheperd doesn't play much. Coming into the season, I was hoping Vickerson, Sheperd, and Thigpen would all be decent starters, and Ogden would have more than three hits in sec play. This next class obviously has to produce some solid hitters.
 

Todd4State

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Optimus Prime 4 said:
and it's more likely than not that he'll get it turned it around. But it's just odd that you seem to be getting worse both in fundamentals and mental mistakes, and you seem to be willing to give him three more years to be competitive. That's a long time.


I don't think we're any worse in fundamentals or mental mistakes, and granted it's not better, but I think it's more obvious because the pitching was so crappy the past two years.

My thing is this- many of these players were crap under Polk and Raffo. They are still crap under Cohen. Is the reason that they are crap because Cohen can't coach (possible) or is it because they are crappy players (more likely)? Based on what Cohen has done as a coach at other places and what these players did under a previous staff- most of the best offensive seasons were under Cohen, and actually their regression offensively worries me more than our fundamentals, it seems more likely that it is the players rather than the coach.

As far as the time frame, as has been mentioned here, he has only one class on campus. Next year, it is not totally out of the realm of possibility that we could be starting seven freshman in the field next year. They are going to come in and some will adjust immediately like Stratton, most will be up and down, and some will struggle. By the time Cohen's first class are juniors, and his second class are sophomores- and they will be young but experienced by that time, they should be good. By that time it will be a totally different situation. Cohen will have been here for four years and he will have players that are much, much more highly rated out of high school than Polk's. Odds are, we won't have 9-10 busts so to speak, and if that does happen, and based on how the team performs, then I would say it's on Cohen.