This says it All about BarnHart !

[BARBQGRILLER]

Stoops Record :

2013

Kentucky

2–10

0–8

7th (Eastern)

2014

Kentucky

5–7

2–6

6th (Eastern)

2015

Kentucky

5–7

2–6

T–4th (Eastern)

Kentucky:

12–24

4–20

Total:

12–24

Joker’s

Kentucky Wildcats(Southeastern Conference)(2010–2012)

2010

Kentucky

6–7

2–6

5th (Eastern)

LBBVA Compass

2011

Kentucky

5–7

2–6

5th (Eastern)

2012

Kentucky

2–10

0–8

7th (Eastern)

Kentucky:

13–24

4–20

Total:

13–24

 

[akaukswoosh]

Wait till next year.[winking]

 

[BARBQGRILLER]

8-sec wins in 6 seasons Pathetic !

 

[ukgolfnut36]

It wont be any better next year,unless there are some coaching changes

 

[Anon1639625937]

For my part, I truly wanted Joker to succeed at Kentucky. I mean Joker was and is a Kentucky guy! With that said, if we're being fair. The starting place, as related to the overall condition of the Kentucky Football Program was far different from what Joker inherited to what Stoops inherited. If you’re not willing to look at UK Football from that perspective, you’re really missing at how bad the Kentucky Football Program had fallen before Stoops took over. And yet! Stoops inexperience was evident in a number of games this year. In my honest opinion, Stoops and staff was instrumental in the Florida loss, the Auburn loss, the Vanderbilt loss, and finally, the Louisville loss. After being spotted 21 points, the Louisville game being the worst, followed closed by the Vanderbilt game. Those loses, the lack of in-game, critical thinking management, and decision of not having a special teams coach are the issues that I would point at as related to Barnhart.

 

[Bluetick2100]

OP
do the same research for the 6 years before Mitch.
See a pattern?

UK FB sucked long before Mitch

 

[NamelessOne]

Brooks inherited a team with scholarship reductions
Stoops inherited a team with no reductions

That being said...I would take what Brooks inherited. Joker left devastation. It's no secret Spurrier told Stoops upon taking the job that he was inheriting the worst team in FBS.

 

[Anon1639625937]

OP
do the same research for the 6 years before Mitch.
See a pattern?

UK FB sucked long before Mitch

BlueTic that's a good point. Historically going all the way back to Bryant, until the Stoops era, UK has not truly invested in their Football Program. Now the last few years O can say that UK has invested in the program but not so much before.

 

[MudererofCrows]

How much talent did Joker Phillips inherit overall? He let the program bottom out but Brook's and co. outside of Sanders and Phillips himself were poor recruiters imho. Brooks' staff wasn't a hungry, go get 'em type of staff like Stoops' seems to be. And I am far from Stoops' biggest fan at the moment.

I think they were excellent coaches with a wealth of knowledge and experience but they were behind the modern recruiting game and not forward thinking enough. To use an apt basketball comparison (which I'm loathe to do) it was akin to Tubby Smith's tenure. This current staff's problem seems to be the exact opposite...lacking in experience and knowledge but tremendous recruiting. So it makes the climb harder I suppose for different reasons.

The only bright side I see is that even if Stoops doesn't make it the foundation is a lot better for the next head coach whoever that could be (and I have no answers to that. This job is the hardest sell in all of football because so many careers have just died here. Who wants to take on that kind of challenge except coaches with nothing left to lose and it should be noted that the most successful non-cheating ones post-Bryant have been two old war horses going down the path to retirement in Claiborne and Brooks) and I hope they will utilize it and finally give us what we all crave: a winner.

 

[Comebakatz3]

Talent is only part of the equation. To me, you first have to have a good coach. A good coach can take less talented players and at least make them competitive by making sure they are playing fundamental mistake free football. When you add talent that good coach becomes a great one. He becomes great because he now has guys playing fundamental mistake free football and has athletes that are just as good or better than everyone else.

 

[domino79]

By God if Vanderbilt can do it, we sure as **** can. We don't have any excuses they can't also use.

 

[Cats_2010]

OP
do the same research for the 6 years before Mitch.
See a pattern?

UK FB sucked long before Mitch

I don't think that really is the point anymore. The point is UK either needs to get serious about football and do everything they can to change the losing culture or basically tell the fan base this is what you have, live with and support it or not. No one questions that Mitch has done a phenomenal job with the other sports at the university but without the cash cow that is football, most of what he has done would not be possible.

They are going to have to keep excitement in this program to keep money flowing in and butts in the seat on gameday. Right now the level of excitement is no different than it was in Jokers last 2-10 year and it may even be worse because then at least we knew Joker was out and change was coming in. Maybe once new coaching staff changes are made (assuming they are) that will generate a little optimism for next year in the hopes of pulling out a 6-6 win. I honestly could not care if we only won 4 games next year if in the losses we were showing signs of an improved football team that is on the right path.

Even if recruiting remains better than we are accustomed, it really doesn't matter if they are not properly coached.

 

[LowCountryCat]

OP
do the same research for the 6 years before Mitch.
See a pattern?

UK FB sucked long before Mitch

Instead of catching spears for your hero why don't you get with the program and look forward? We need a better AD, no matter how things were before Barney.

 

[CatDaddy4daWin]

I've kinda switched camp from defending Barnhart to wanting to see him go. I'd fire Barnhart but keep Stoops. Hire an AD that cares about sports and football in particular. Demand success. Like the other SEC AD's do. Athletic Directors are there to win games and get cool stuff built. Took him 16 years to do what needed to be done in 2005.

 

[SanAntonioCat_rivals376502]

I've kinda switched camp from defending Barnhart to wanting to see him go. I'd fire Barnhart but keep Stoops. Hire an AD that cares about sports and football in particular. Demand success. Like the other SEC AD's do. Athletic Directors are there to win games and get cool stuff built. Took him 16 years to do what needed to be done in 2005.

Florida's respected AD Jeremy Foley once said if Ben Hill Griffin stadium wasn't sold out every home game, he would have to shut down half the school's sports. The same could be said for most SEC schools. That folks is a powerful incentive to succeed in football. That and big time donor money....

 

[merrimanm]

By God if Vanderbilt can do it, we sure as **** can. We don't have any excuses they can't also use.

I keep seeing this comment. Can anyone tell me when Vandy did it? Sure, they have had few good years sprinkled in their history. As have we. But they haven't been any more relevant than we have, and actually have been slightly worse.

 

[KY1WING]

I care more about the player and team development and effort. Claiborne's and Brooks' teams may not have been world beaters but when the game was over most opponents knew they had been in a game. Very blue collar, which is what I expected to see under this coach. Maybe next season.

All that said the first three years of each have produced exact same regular season records but folks need to also look at the trends. To me at this point those are two distinctly different trajectories.

Which one would you rather be hooked to? Couple that with recruiting and facilities improvements is there a chance for that trajectory to continue to improve?

Only time will tell. This season is critical.

I do know that until we get enough talent to where the twos can come in and there not be a drop off nothing is going to change.

I look back to Brooks and I truly believe if he had another option to push Jared Lorenzen he would have benched his tail coming into fall practice because he was so far overweight ... But he didn't have an option and Jared knew it so it was screw what the coach wanted of him.

That's just one example. And I think that's been a real problem through the years-we've barely ever had enough ones to play close and never had the twos. Injuries, fatigue, attitude, effort kill you when you have no options.

I think back to the Mumme's Outback Bowl. iF the Jason Watts tragedy doesn't occur we beat Penn State (and may have gotten UT). The next year if Jimmy Whalen doesn't hurt we win the Music City Bowl. But we barely had ones.

And it's going to have to improve across the board, cause each team has to push the other. I listened week after week to Bill Curry's post games after another loss lamenting "I just don't understand it, we had such a great week of practice." I asked other coaches how that happens-look good in practice but get killed in s game. Most said, and I'm being nice but comparable talent looks good In practice but game time is different.

I cringed when I heard before the UL game we had a great week of practice ...

Folks have been critical of this staff of their game decisions and management and rightfully so. But even the best make mistakes. Last year tOSU could not stop Alabama's running game but Nick Saban and Lane Kiffin did costing them a National Championship. Butch Jones made some idiotic moves this season which is why OU is in the Final Four. It happens but unfortunately it happened too often and at this stage in the program it cost us too much.

Next year is going to be critical for this program, staff and AD

 

[Bluetick2100]

Instead of catching spears for your hero why don't you get with the program and look forward? We need a better AD, no matter how things were before Barney.

And why don't you STFU

 

[theoledog]

Florida's respected AD Jeremy Foley once said if Ben Hill Griffin stadium wasn't sold out every home game, he would have to shut down half the school's sports. The same could be said for most SEC schools. That folks is a powerful incentive to succeed in football. That and big time donor money....

I agree...
I'm thinking that whatever the make-break point might be for UK there'll be a lot'o pressure on it... My biggest complaint regarding Barnhart is that he hasn't respected the fragile nature of the KY football program... He's treated it as if all the fans like a crap sandwich, long as its served on a kaiser roll... In other words, I don't give a damn about bleacher back seats, wifi, Club seats, a patio view, wider concourses or even a nicer place where all the pricks hang out... I go to watch good atheltes, well coached, compete on a football field...
The ROI on what I pay for is poor.

We're Cat fans and "next year is really going to be the year"... We got time to get over this, I guess... But this is sure another glass half full or half empty time for all of us fans.... To be in this position as an AD after 13 years is rolling the dice....To be a man of such high moral fiber the outcome of his competence or lack of, could be thought of as amoral... A lot of people depend on UK footballs success for food and education... The bottom line ... Moral people can be responsible for amoral results.... This isn't a Charity he's running up there.

 

[domino79]

I keep seeing this comment. Can anyone tell me when Vandy did it? Sure, they have had few good years sprinkled in their history. As have we. But they haven't been any more relevant than we have, and actually have been slightly worse.

Merriman is the type who likes to use excuses on this board and likely in his daily life.

How about beating Florida more than once in thirty years.

 

[vhcat70]

I care more about the player and team development and effort. Claiborne's and Brooks' teams may not have been world beaters but when the game was over most opponents knew they had been in a game. Very blue collar, which is what I expected to see under this coach. Maybe next season.

All that said the first three years of each have produced exact same regular season records but folks need to also look at the trends. To me at this point those are two distinctly different trajectories.

Which one would you rather be hooked to? Couple that with recruiting and facilities improvements is there a chance for that trajectory to continue to improve?

Only time will tell. This season is critical.

I do know that until we get enough talent to where the twos can come in and there not be a drop off nothing is going to change.

I look back to Brooks and I truly believe if he had another option to push Jared Lorenzen he would have benched his tail coming into fall practice because he was so far overweight ... But he didn't have an option and Jared knew it so it was screw what the coach wanted of him.

That's just one example. And I think that's been a real problem through the years-we've barely ever had enough ones to play close and never had the twos. Injuries, fatigue, attitude, effort kill you when you have no options.

I think back to the Mumme's Outback Bowl. iF the Jason Watts tragedy doesn't occur we beat Penn State (and may have gotten UT). The next year if Jimmy Whalen doesn't hurt we win the Music City Bowl. But we barely had ones.

And it's going to have to improve across the board, cause each team has to push the other. I listened week after week to Bill Curry's post games after another loss lamenting "I just don't understand it, we had such a great week of practice." I asked other coaches how that happens-look good in practice but get killed in s game. Most said, and I'm being nice but comparable talent looks good In practice but game time is different.

I cringed when I heard before the UL game we had a great week of practice ...

Folks have been critical of this staff of their game decisions and management and rightfully so. But even the best make mistakes. Last year tOSU could not stop Alabama's running game but Nick Saban and Lane Kiffin did costing them a National Championship. Butch Jones made some idiotic moves this season which is why OU is in the Final Four. It happens but unfortunately it happened too often and at this stage in the program it cost us too much.

Next year is going to be critical for this program, staff and AD

hellava post. :clap:

 

[dreadpirate_rivals241225]

Stoops Record :

2013

Kentucky

2–10

0–8

7th (Eastern)

2014

Kentucky

5–7

2–6

6th (Eastern)

2015

Kentucky

5–7

2–6

T–4th (Eastern)

Kentucky:

12–24

4–20

Total:

12–24

Joker’s

Kentucky Wildcats(Southeastern Conference)(2010–2012)

2010

Kentucky

6–7

2–6

5th (Eastern)

LBBVA Compass

2011

Kentucky

5–7

2–6

5th (Eastern)

2012

Kentucky

2–10

0–8

7th (Eastern)

Kentucky:

13–24

4–20

Total:

13–24

I know what you're trying to show, but all you've really done is show that one coach took a bowl team and turned them into a 2 win team, and the other took a 2 win team and put them on the verge of a bowl.

There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.

 

[merrimanm]

Merriman is the type who likes to use excuses on this board and likely in his daily life.

How about beating Florida more than once in thirty years.

Haha!! If you knew anything about me you would know differently. You don't know a damn thing about me or what I have overcome. I will just leave it at that.

And you still never told me what they did that is so great. The UF thing is all you have? That is what you are basing that on? That is funny.
I am not using excuses. It is called reality.

Let me ask you this question. Why aren't you a professional athlete or coach?

 

[domino79]

Haha!! If you knew anything about me you would know differently. You don't know a damn thing about me or what I have overcome. I will just leave it at that.

And you still never told me what they did that is so great. The UF thing is all you have? That is what you are basing that on? That is funny.
I am not using excuses. It is called reality.

Let me ask you this question. Why aren't you a professional athlete or coach?

Son, I know enough. I know enough about your posting on this board that you haven't yet got over your biggest disability, which is your learning disability.

Your words are embarrassing.

 

[Shavers48]

OP
do the same research for the 6 years before Mitch.
See a pattern?

UK FB sucked long before Mitch

but unlike his predecessors, MB did have a period of modest success and rather than use it as a springboard to raise the bar on the program he went cheap, ate his own corn, even let his decent coach call it quits due to lack of interest and commitment from the school and drove the program to as low as it's ever been.

 

[merrimanm]

Son, I know enough. I know enough about your posting on this board that you haven't yet got over your biggest disability, which is your learning disability.

Your words are embarrassing.

First off, I am not your son. Secondly, grow up. You try to insult and then call me embarrassing. What is embarrassing is when you resort to name calling and insults when in a discussion instead of having an educated conversation.
Again, you know nothing about me. If I told you my life story, you would probably shut your mouth. I have worked very hard in my life and have educated myself to where I now have a better life for myself and my family. I am living the true American dream, not sitting over here crying about how I can't achieve due to others holding me down. I am far from an excuse maker as I realize that there are far more people who have it worse than me. So don't pretend to act as if you know me or what I am about just because you disagree with me on a freaking sports board.

 

[Fecesforbrains]

And merriman is right... You people butch about coaching all the while I hazard a guess 99% or more of you haven't coached any past youth league and damn sure haven't raised kids... Coaching teaching raising kids all the same . You teach tell show and demonstrate till u r blue in the face ... Then ol and behold they do the exact damn opposite ... So for all u extraordinary judges of talent and world class coaches on here maybe u might want to look at that perfect worl,rule abiding speed limit observing,always do what is right state of perfection you and everyone u come in contact with live in

 

[theoledog]

And merriman is right... You people butch about coaching all the while I hazard a guess 99% or more of you haven't coached any past youth league and damn sure haven't raised kids... Coaching teaching raising kids all the same . You teach tell show and demonstrate till u r blue in the face ... Then ol and behold they do the exact damn opposite ... So for all u extraordinary judges of talent and world class coaches on here maybe u might want to look at that perfect worl,rule abiding speed limit observing,always do what is right state of perfection you and everyone u come in contact with live in

And... when the kids turn into adults.... They'll ask for your advice, and opinions... and then go out and do whatever

 

[domino79]

First off, I am not your son. Secondly, grow up. You try to insult and then call me embarrassing. What is embarrassing is when you resort to name calling and insults when in a discussion instead of having an educated conversation.
Again, you know nothing about me. If I told you my life story, you would probably shut your mouth. I have worked very hard in my life and have educated myself to where I now have a better life for myself and my family. I am living the true American dream, not sitting over here crying about how I can't achieve due to others holding me down. I am far from an excuse maker as I realize that there are far more people who have it worse than me. So don't pretend to act as if you know me or what I am about just because you disagree with me on a freaking sports board.

More lies from merriman. Well, son, I can tell you haven't seen a lot of football in your day. It doesn't take a coach to see poor coaching on display. You're an idiot if you think so.

 

[domino79]

And merriman is right... You people butch about coaching all the while I hazard a guess 99% or more of you haven't coached any past youth league and damn sure haven't raised kids... Coaching teaching raising kids all the same . You teach tell show and demonstrate till u r blue in the face ... Then ol and behold they do the exact damn opposite ... So for all u extraordinary judges of talent and world class coaches on here maybe u might want to look at that perfect worl,rule abiding speed limit observing,always do what is right state of perfection you and everyone u come in contact with live in

Did you have any kids that lived?

 

[Mike-D]

I keep seeing this comment. Can anyone tell me when Vandy did it? Sure, they have had few good years sprinkled in their history. As have we. But they haven't been any more relevant than we have, and actually have been slightly worse.

Didn't Vandy win 9 or 10 games a year or two in a row?

 

[merrimanm]

Didn't Vandy win 9 or 10 games a year or two in a row?

They went two years were they went 9-3. But we have had a few years sprinkled in as well. But nothing sustainable and neither has Vandy.

 

[merrimanm]

More lies from merriman. Well, son, I can tell you haven't seen a lot of football in your day. It doesn't take a coach to see poor coaching on display. You're an idiot if you think so.

Lol. You keep saying I am lying. Funny thing is, you can never disprove what I am saying. You look really ridiculous.
And I grew up in Alabama. Pretty sure I have seen winning football my entire life.

 

[Mike-D]

They went two years were they went 9-3. But we have had a few years sprinkled in as well. But nothing sustainable and neither has Vandy.

We've never went 9-3 in my lifetime. Vandy lost their coach to Penn State because he won at Vandy. Anyone who can win 9 games at Vandy in succession will probably get job offers.

 

[yoshukai]

How much talent did Joker Phillips inherit overall? He let the program bottom out but Brook's and co. outside of Sanders and Phillips himself were poor recruiters imho. Brooks' staff wasn't a hungry, go get 'em type of staff like Stoops' seems to be. And I am far from Stoops' biggest fan at the moment.

I think they were excellent coaches with a wealth of knowledge and experience but they were behind the modern recruiting game and not forward thinking enough. To use an apt basketball comparison (which I'm loathe to do) it was akin to Tubby Smith's tenure. This current staff's problem seems to be the exact opposite...lacking in experience and knowledge but tremendous recruiting. So it makes the climb harder I suppose for different reasons.

The only bright side I see is that even if Stoops doesn't make it the foundation is a lot better for the next head coach whoever that could be (and I have no answers to that. This job is the hardest sell in all of football because so many careers have just died here. Who wants to take on that kind of challenge except coaches with nothing left to lose and it should be noted that the most successful non-cheating ones post-Bryant have been two old war horses going down the path to retirement in Claiborne and Brooks) and I hope they will utilize it and finally give us what we all crave: a winner.

Money wasn't being put into the program back then like it is now . It SHOULD be a little easier to recruit with our facility upgrades . They have to get some positive momentum going though .

 

[domino79]

Lol. You keep saying I am lying. Funny thing is, you can never disprove what I am saying. You look really ridiculous.
And I grew up in Alabama. Pretty sure I have seen winning football my entire life.

I've just given you one thing Vanderbilt has done that we haven't, and you dismiss it out of hand because it doesn't fit your agenda of excuse-making.
It's why you're a joke on this board and why everyone talks about your cluelessness in other threads.

 

[merrimanm]

We've never went 9-3 in my lifetime. Vandy lost their coach to Penn State because he won at Vandy. Anyone who can win 9 games at Vandy in succession will probably get job offers.

I understand. And I agree. But what I am saying is that Vandy doesn't have sustained success, or really any more than us over the the last 50 years.

 

[merrimanm]

I've just given you one thing Vanderbilt has done that we haven't, and you dismiss it out of hand because it doesn't fit your agenda of excuse-making.
It's why you're a joke on this board and why everyone talks about your cluelessness in other threads.

So you think beating UF once in the last 30 years would be "doing it"? I was not aware that beating UF was the pinnacle of success. Vandy lost to UF 22 straight years and 25 out of the last 26 years. Total, UK has beaten UF 17 times and Vandy has beaten them 9 times.
So if you are using that as your argument, then I don't think you should be calling anyone ignorant as Vandy hasn't done anything that great either as you tried to imply.

So, I dismiss it because it isn't a strong argument, not because I have any agenda. And again, I don't give a crap what people here think of me. If I did, my life would be pretty miserable don't you think?

 

[domino79]

So you think beating UF once in the last 30 years would be "doing it"? I was not aware that beating UF was the pinnacle of success. Vandy lost to UF 22 straight years and 25 out of the last 26 years. Total, UK has beaten UF 17 times and Vandy has beaten them 9 times.
So if you are using that as your argument, then I don't think you should be calling anyone ignorant as Vandy hasn't done anything that great either as you tried to imply.

So, I dismiss it because it isn't a strong argument, not because I have any agenda. And again, I don't give a crap what people here think of me. If I did, my life would be pretty miserable don't you think?

Without all the melodrama, I can cut to the chase pretty good. Want something Vanderbilt has done, we haven't? Well, they've beat us into a nice little streak on their own, so crowing about how much better we are than them speaks to your learning disability.
Mom always said you lay down with dogs you get fleas. Consider our little exchange over, merriman.
I am a coach, and I can guarantee you I've gotten much more out of my players than you could ever dream.
Peace.

 

[merrimanm]

Without all the melodrama, I can cut to the chase pretty good. Want something Vanderbilt has done, we haven't? Well, they've beat us into a nice little streak on their own, so crowing about how much better we are than them speaks to your learning disability.
Mom always said you lay down with dogs you get fleas. Consider our little exchange over, merriman.
I am a coach, and I can guarantee you I've gotten much more out of my players than you could ever dream.
Peace.

You don't think to much of yourself do you? I coach as well and have been successful as well. But it isn't about me. It is about my players and doing things that are going help them be great adults as people. My players know I love them, that is the most important thing for me and the sole reason why I think my teams have achieved their potentials, whether that means winning a championship or having a losing season (which i have nevery had as a coach).

That being said, the fact that you act like it was you that got that out of your players lets me know that you probably haven't done anything. Taking credit for your team doing well is the first sign of a bad coach. I don't care how knowledgeable you are, if your players can't do better or won't do better, then you as a coach can't do anything. You can run them, bench them, or whatever. But at the end of the day, if you don't have enough kids that want to be successful, then you won't be as a coach, and I don't care who you are.

All that being said, you should be done with this conversation. Never once did I say we were better than Vandy. You are the one that implied that with agreeing with the thought of if Vandy can then we can theory. But again, if you claim that Vandy "did it" because they beat us, and they beat UF one time, then again, your argument is weak.

By the way, I have two college degrees. First and only in my family to graduate from college. I have a great career that I love, I manage my money well, my wife and kids are well taken care of, I don't live pay check to pay check, and I am saving plenty for retirement. So if I did all that with a learning disability, then maybe the world would be better off if everyone had the same learning disability that I have. That means they would better themselves and their families.