This says it All about BarnHart !
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Honestly , other than the stadium and recruiting room ( which were this year ) , I don't know . Anyway , I agree that most on Brooks staff were mediocre recruiters. I'm just saying ( hoping ) that the new facilities will help recruiting .
Joker inherited the same terrible recruiting classes that Stoops did. Lol at you guys acting like Joker inherited some juggernaught. He took over a team that was chock full of players from recruiting classes ranked in the 50's and 60's. We went to bowl games with 6 wins the years before Joker was head coach because UL, Vandy, and Miss State were bad.
Assuming a class ranked 50th or 60th is "terrible", you're right; Joker inherited some "terrible" recruiting classes- which were partially his fault in the first place. What he also inherited is a program that had gone to four straight bowl games, regardless of who was or wasn't bad. He recruited some more classes that were probably in the 50's and 60's. When he was fired, the UK football sure as hell was not in the 50s or 60s. It was quite possibly the worst DI football team in the country. Somehow, having inherited and then recruited, players that should have given us the 55th best (give or take a bit) team in the country, we had about the 120th best team in the country. How many more years do you think he should have been given to get it fixed?
I'd go there too if I couldn't intelligently refute my points. Lol simple clown.
Yup, worst in the country because you guys never exaggerate and make everything the worst ever or best ever.
I realize that. But again, I didn't know that was some major victory. I am not saying we are better, but I am saying that Vandy didn't "do it" like the poster I was responding to said. Yes, Vandy has had a couple of good years. As have we. But neither of us have sustained success.
I said "quite possibly" the worst in the country. An assistant coach in the SEC allegedly told a reporter that Stoops took over the WORST team in Division 1 football. That's just one man's opinion and that's why I qualified my statement with "quite possibly". But certainly the statement is not too far from the mark. In any event, whether we were the absolute worst, or, maybe just 8th or 9th worst, we sure weren't in the 50's or 60's and we weren't even close.
How many more years would have you given Joker to fix it? Do you think, come the time for our next coaching search, that we should consider giving him a second bit at the apple?
I was ok with firing him after 3 years. I just think acting like he took over a great program and ruined it is simple and dumb. I'm not sure why you guys are so extreme about everything. I have to want Jokcer back because I say he took over a bad team too?
I have to shake my head at a few of you folks who are acting like it is ok to be below average in football... the sport that brings in the most money to the university and has the highest ceiling. It appears that a few of you guys just want to accept this and move on. The football board here and the basketball boards are so different (even though I love football sport first I still enjoy going there). Losing seasons here are met with very little resistance for the whole as a 30+ win season over there is met with so much vitriol. I understand the history of both sports very well, but a fanbase which doesn't expect more will never be given more.. as a rule. WE need to demand better on the football side of things IMO, especially in this day and time.
Let's see. He is the athletics director, which means all athletics at the University of Kentucky. Every single athletic team is in better shape than before he got here. Our academics are strong, compliance is strong and the overall atmosphere of Kentucky sports is strong. Budget wise, our athletic department is self sufficient and they even give back to the university. Football needs to improve record wise no doubt, but we are starting to put the money in the program. Upgrades to the stadium, the new football center, paying assistant coaches more, the indoor center. Making Kentucky football a winner isn't as easy as turning a switch and Mitch isn't going to sacrifice the integrity of the University to make it good. Everybody is frustrated with the football team's success right now, but everyone at UK is trying to make it better. The vocal minority that threatens to not come to games or give up the their season tickets or complains that their toast wasn't perfect this morning can go away. If it is that miserable for you, then don't watch. Why put yourself through the misery? The true Kentucky sports fans will stay positive and keep supporting the team. It amazes me the amount of time and effort people put into criticizing something or somebody.
Really?? You should educate yourself before making such statements
Vandy has a total of 4 seasons of 9 wins (never has won 10 in a season). Those seasons were 1904, 1915, 2012, and 2015.
UK has a total of 4 seasons with 9 or more wins (won 11 one year, 10 one year, and 9 the other two years). Thos seasons were 1949, 1950, 1977, and 1984
Now, i know what you are going to say before you respond. You will use the excuse that Vandy did it in more resent times. So lets look at some years to compare resently as I would argue that the years we went 8-5 were just as impressive than Vandy going 9-3. Let's compare.
Vandy:
-2012- (9-4) played 3 ranked teams in USCjr, UGA, and Uf in which they lost all 3.
Wins came against
Northwestern- record 10-3, but did not play a ranked team all year, hence the reason they were not ranked
Presbyterian- enough said
Missouri- record 5-7
Auburn- record 3-9
UMASS- enough said
UK- record of 2-10
Ole Miss- record 7-6
UT- Record 5-7
Wake Forrest- 5-7 who was drilled by 35 pts or more against all ranked teams they played
NC State- record of 7-6
-2013- (9-4) played 3 ranked teams in UGA, USCjr, and Texas A&M with a win over UGA.
Wins came against
UGA- good win
Austin Peay- enough said
UMASS- enough said
UAB- 2-10 CUSA team
UF- record of 4-8
UK- record of 2-10
UT- record of 5-7
Wake Forrest- record of 4-8
Houston- record of 8-5, lost the only two games against ranked opponents.
Now Lets look at UK in 2006 and 2007
UK:
-2006- (8-5) played 4 ranked teams in UL, UF, LSU, and UT in which we lost all 4
Wins came against
Texas State- enough said
Ole Miss- record of 4-8
Central Michigan- 10-4 MAC team
Miss St.- record of 3-9
UGA- record of 9-4
Vandy- record of 4-8
UL Monroe- record of 4-8
Clemson- record of 8-5
-2007- (8-5) played SIX ranked teams with wins over UL, LSU and eventual NC's. And although we did not win the game, UF beat us by a TD, and UT beat us by 2 in 3 OT's
Wins came against
EKU- enough said
Kent St.- record 3-9
UL- Ranked number 9 over our rival. Great win
Arkansas- record of 8-5 with wins over number 1 LSU and number 23 USCjr
Florida Atlantic- record of 8-5
LSU- Number 1 team and eventual NC's. Obviously a great win in triple OT
Vandy- record of 5-8
FSU- record of 7-6 with wins over Alabama, and Number 2 Boston College
So in summary, I feel that the 2006 team was just as good as either of Vandy's 9 win teams. The difference could be argued that us playing one more ranked team cost us that 9 win. When you look at 2007 and the schedule we played, that team was better than Vandy has had probably ever in their history. Had the 2007 team played Vandy's 2012 OR 2013 schedule, they would have had 10 or more wins.
Now, there is your research. Seems i am not the one with the learning disability after all. Vandy hasn't done anything more than we have on a national sale. So again, what is that they did??
Exactly. We aren't worse and we aren't better. So that is why we should NEVER assume Vandy to be a win, but we should also NEVER say Vandy has done something that we haven't. So we should NEVER,make the argument that if Vandy can then we can. Vandy hasn't done anything we haven't.
My point being, that if Barnhart isn't the guy to take UK Football out of the cellar of the SEC, then why aren't we looking for someone that can?
I hope that Coach Stoops can prove the naysayers wrong and bring this program out of the constant cycle of mediocrity. However, at a time when the SEC east is as low as it has EVER been, we still can't break out. Even at a time when UK is receiving more money than any other time in our history.
I hope that Coach Stoops can prove the naysayers wrong and bring this program out of the constant cycle of mediocrity. However, at a time when the SEC east is as low as it has EVER been, we still can't break out. Even at a time when UK is receiving more money than any other time in our history.
possibly the dumbest post I've ever read. you talk like Barnhart just got here. why are these things just now starting to happen in the most important sport (highest revenue). the idiot's been here nearly 15 years.
Who do want? Let's see, we could get Foley from Florida and he hired Ron Zook and Muschamp. Those were great hires. People think Jurich is a great A.D. He brought U of L Kragthorpe and hired Petrino and their entire program and university is a laughingstock. You are absolutely correct he has been here 15 years. Go back and look at the whole sports program 15 years ago and see where it is today. You just think because the football team is not the SEC championship game then he sucks. If it was so easy to get a bottom tiered football or basketball team to the top by just spending money, then Texas should be great every year. It is not easy. I suppose when Mitch retires and DeWayne Peevy takes over, you will be upset because he is a basketball guy? The dumb part is not realizing that Kentucky sports is a helluva lot better because Mitch Barnhart is our A.D.
1) Let Capilouto worry about academics.
2) Strong overall atmosphere? One of the two biggest sports at the school is a colossal trainwreck.
Anyone who compares Jokers record and Stoops record at UK and tried to point to similarities is stupid beyond fixing and doesn't understand patterns one bit.
Jokers record went from 6 wins down to 2.
Stoops record went from 2 wins to consecutive 5 win seasons. Directly opposite.
Stoops is doing things to build the program
If you wanna try and discredit Stoops, using Jokers record as a comparison is stupid and not credible.
Think a little harder and come up with something worth discussing. Be specific, don't just use some
generalized comment.
Jokers record went from 6 wins down to 2.
Stoops record went from 2 wins to consecutive 5 win seasons. Directly opposite.
Stoops is doing things to build the program
If you wanna try and discredit Stoops, using Jokers record as a comparison is stupid and not credible.
Think a little harder and come up with something worth discussing. Be specific, don't just use some
generalized comment.
" Mitch isn't going to sacrifice the integrity of the University to make it good " Probably also his reasoning for not going after Coach Cal. Our AD does not have the football smarts or courage to take our football program to the next level.
Who do want? Let's see, we could get Foley from Florida and he hired Ron Zook and Muschamp. Those were great hires. People think Jurich is a great A.D. He brought U of L Kragthorpe and hired their entire program and university is a laughingstock. You are absolutely correct he has been here 15 years. Go back and look at the whole sports program 15 years ago and see where it is today. You just think because the football team is not the SEC championship game then he sucks. If it was so easy to get a bottom tiered football or basketball team to the top by just spending money, then Texas should be great every year. It is not easy. I suppose when Mitch retires and DeWayne Peevy takes over, you will be upset because he is a basketball guy? The dumb part is not realizing that Kentucky sports is a helluva lot better because Mitch Barnhart is our A.D.
Has anyone in the last 65 years done any better here and not cheated? Let Capilouto worry about academics? That statement is absolutely ridiculous. The end of this year was bad, everyone knows it. Everyone's solution is just to fire the coach and swallow the contract and get someone else here and make sure we pay them a highly competitive salary to come here and if they fail, let's fire them and swallow that contract as well. Coach Stoops is recruiting better players and I have faith that he will evaluate everything that went wrong and go about fixing it.
I for one appreciate the fact that he won't sacrifice the integrity of the university to make it good. I'd love for my son to go to a school that has hookers going to the dorm room and has absolutely no integrity.
it is? because you say so? evidence says otherwise. keep supporting your administrator, your bureaucrat, your idiot. he had some momentum in FB and squandered it. what if all these things happening now happened in what was Brooks' last year? We'd be light years ahead. but no, lets wait until it gets so bad we have to act; let's piss off all the football boosters and focus on non revenue sports. long as Cal keeps winning, no one will really notice.
He didn't take over a "great" team; he took over a 7-6 team and within three years had a 2-10 team. That's bad, very bad, and while he didn't ruin the program, he did manage to guide us to one of our lowest spots in modern history; and that's saying a lot.
As far as asking you if you want him back, the only reason I ask that is because there are other posters who have said that you were the last die-hard Joker supporter on this board. I was just curious if that's still true. By the way, I don't have anything personal against Joker. Personally, I hope he parlays his current job into a NFL head coaching job someday and wins a Super Bowl. But there is no way on earth that one can reasonably mitigate the performance he had here as head coach.
We haven't had a winning conference record since the mid 70s. We haven't beaten Florida in over 30 years. This program will always be the same.
The previous poster said that Barnhart wouldn't sacrifice the integrity of the program to make UK good in football. My comment was that I am thankful that he won't sacrifice the the integrity of the program. Our neighbors to the West don't seem to prescribe to the same philosophy.