and believe it or not, I can't complain about that. If you would have told me in April that we would be in a Super Regional, I would have said you were crazy as hell.
Good job by Cohen!!</p>
Good job by Cohen!!</p>
This Team Overachieved This Year And Exceeded Expectations.............
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As I have said about Stansbury over and over and over....it's not the final record that matters. For each individual fan it is his/her right to set a level of expectations going into the season and judge the season's success against those expectations. Mullen is 2 for 2. Cohen is about to be 1 for 3. Stansbury....I won't rehash it. It's all here.
that we actually might have won some that we shouldn't have, but luck was there on the assist for the W? The team then caught a small spark in a regional and swept? I spoke these same words a couple weeks back and got hammered and was told I didn't know what I was talking about.**** (Strong Sarcasm) I was told, that good teams rely on other their opponents to screw up and make errors in order for them to win games.
I completely agree, we shouldn't have even made the damn SEC tourney, and pulled a few out of our asses those last two weekends in SEC play. Cohen has made strides from the Polk days, but he still makes some bonehead decisions. Maybe they are just growing pains, but once again, a great coach would not give the other team's BEST player an opportunity to beat me if there are open bases(Mahtook), which was the straw that broke the camel's back and made me criticize some of Cohen's decisions. We actually pitched around some Florida batters today, but it was after we were down 8-0, so maybe he's learning.
Either way it sure as hell is nice to live here in Baton Rouge and be able to ask people what time their Tigers are playing this weekend.
I completely agree, we shouldn't have even made the damn SEC tourney, and pulled a few out of our asses those last two weekends in SEC play. Cohen has made strides from the Polk days, but he still makes some bonehead decisions. Maybe they are just growing pains, but once again, a great coach would not give the other team's BEST player an opportunity to beat me if there are open bases(Mahtook), which was the straw that broke the camel's back and made me criticize some of Cohen's decisions. We actually pitched around some Florida batters today, but it was after we were down 8-0, so maybe he's learning.
Either way it sure as hell is nice to live here in Baton Rouge and be able to ask people what time their Tigers are playing this weekend.
Cohen told the pitcher to not pitch to the guy. The pitcher screwed up. It was in Cohen's press conference where he addressed it. You continue to steadfastly believe that Cohen told him to pitch to the guy despite evidence that he didn't. You don't know what you're talking about or you think Cohen is lying.
I said that good teams take advantage of errors- it's not luck, it's called playing the game better. You said that the only reason we won was because Jones made an error- again, wrong. We won because Devin Jones nutted up and pitched his tail off and we got runners in scoring position. What does that have to do with Jacoby Jones making an error? Just as Alabama took advantage of Ryan Collins dropping a pop up. That was a game we should have won that we didn't because we didn't play as well as Alabama. Blaming poor execution on "luck" is what Ron Polk did. We score six runs, and of course we were "lucky" because of one play. Ridiculous.
In baseball, I believe you make your own luck with execution.
This year, our style is built to force teams into making mistakes. That's why we put pressure on teams. That's how you win and make a SR with less than stellar talent. We also have improved our pitching and our defense markedly. So, I can see where people would look back and say, "gee we won some games against some teams we probably shouldn't have"- but we did what we did by design. It has very little to do with luck.
I said that good teams take advantage of errors- it's not luck, it's called playing the game better. You said that the only reason we won was because Jones made an error- again, wrong. We won because Devin Jones nutted up and pitched his tail off and we got runners in scoring position. What does that have to do with Jacoby Jones making an error? Just as Alabama took advantage of Ryan Collins dropping a pop up. That was a game we should have won that we didn't because we didn't play as well as Alabama. Blaming poor execution on "luck" is what Ron Polk did. We score six runs, and of course we were "lucky" because of one play. Ridiculous.
In baseball, I believe you make your own luck with execution.
This year, our style is built to force teams into making mistakes. That's why we put pressure on teams. That's how you win and make a SR with less than stellar talent. We also have improved our pitching and our defense markedly. So, I can see where people would look back and say, "gee we won some games against some teams we probably shouldn't have"- but we did what we did by design. It has very little to do with luck.
Sir Cohen's pitchers should be able to pitch around a batter, I.E. throw a ball (outside of strike zone). I know baseball and I know what a college player/pitcher, let alone SEC player/should be able to throw a ball. "DON'T GIVE THIS GUY ANYTHING TO HIT, NO STRIKES." That is the easiest thing to do as a pitcher. Hell, I haven't played in 7 years, wasn't a pitcher, and could go pitch around any hitter on the planet. Its easy to throw where you are looking, especially when you aren't looking to throw a strike, and these kids throw every day. Cohen can say whatever the 17 he wants in a press conference to cover his ***. You believe everything you hear? Were you out there on the mound when he gave the instructions? Do you have Cohen "Miked UP" for every game? Maybe you do, with your ESPN segment. Shouldn't one of our SEC caliber pitchers be able to throw a ball when instructed to? Who's fault is it if they cant? The guy grilling hotdogs in left field or the guy labeled head coach? Can you admit it ever if you are wrong? I'm guessing you will either twist these questions into something I wrote about Mahtook, since you are a master at that or you will defer it to something someone you know, that played in the bigs a few weeks, told you they saw happen one time on a full moon.
So what you are saying is, a UM outfielder allowing a semi hard ground ball to go under his glove is execution and putting pressure on the defense? Or LSU blowing a 9th inning lead with 2 outs on a boot by a sure handed second baseman? That's putting pressure on him, when he's been making sportscenter top 10 esque plays all night, but boots a fairly routine one? NO. Errors play a part in any game, but relying on another team to make them in order for you to win is a ridiculous statement. You said it, not me. All I originally said was, no way in hell you pitch to Mahtook. Coach says he told pitch to pitch around him. Pitch doesnt and grooves one. Either way, communication wise or execution wise, it falls on the H. Coach. I'm not saying luck played a part in every one of our wins, but it sure as hell played a part in us making the SEC and eventually NCAA tourneys. Once again, my original point that has since been twisted into what you have made it today.
This went from me saying Cohen makes bonehead decisions in critical situations and we made tourney with some luck, to you telling me I know not what I speak of and talking as if all I've ever played was RBI baseball on Nintendo.
I knew you would chime in with the peanut gallery segment, which is the only reason I re-posted about relying on other teams to make errors is a key to winning. Great teams do not rely on other teams to make errors. Errors are more of a key to a team losing, than a team depending on them to win. You said good teams find a way to win and that sometimes depends on other teams making errors. If you can score 17'n 10+ runs a game, the other team can play perfect most nights and you still win. If you are a good enough team, the other teams errors wouldn't matter to you. A mediocre team who should be .500 based on talent, COULD win a lot more than they should with the help of other teams, which is the point I was attempting to make. Hence my examples of the last two series of the season, the last two that were fresh on everyone's minds. I don't have the time to dissect every game of the season to provide more examples, I have a job that requires actual work.
You, my friend, are the prime example of a person who never played college, and probably high school baseball, but have talked to people and or read things about baseball and believe you know more about baseball than Sir Abner Doubleday himself. I'm waiting for your response as to him being your great great grandfather or close relative of some sort. It's ok to admit you might have mispoken on the issue, but you seem to overlook some of the deficiencies of J Cohen. He has done a lot in a few years, but I'm not crowning his *** as the savior for Mississippi State Baseball. He has made strides, but he still makes bad decisions and has players that do not execute his "Instructions" at critical moments in games.
So what you are saying is, a UM outfielder allowing a semi hard ground ball to go under his glove is execution and putting pressure on the defense? Or LSU blowing a 9th inning lead with 2 outs on a boot by a sure handed second baseman? That's putting pressure on him, when he's been making sportscenter top 10 esque plays all night, but boots a fairly routine one? NO. Errors play a part in any game, but relying on another team to make them in order for you to win is a ridiculous statement. You said it, not me. All I originally said was, no way in hell you pitch to Mahtook. Coach says he told pitch to pitch around him. Pitch doesnt and grooves one. Either way, communication wise or execution wise, it falls on the H. Coach. I'm not saying luck played a part in every one of our wins, but it sure as hell played a part in us making the SEC and eventually NCAA tourneys. Once again, my original point that has since been twisted into what you have made it today.
This went from me saying Cohen makes bonehead decisions in critical situations and we made tourney with some luck, to you telling me I know not what I speak of and talking as if all I've ever played was RBI baseball on Nintendo.
I knew you would chime in with the peanut gallery segment, which is the only reason I re-posted about relying on other teams to make errors is a key to winning. Great teams do not rely on other teams to make errors. Errors are more of a key to a team losing, than a team depending on them to win. You said good teams find a way to win and that sometimes depends on other teams making errors. If you can score 17'n 10+ runs a game, the other team can play perfect most nights and you still win. If you are a good enough team, the other teams errors wouldn't matter to you. A mediocre team who should be .500 based on talent, COULD win a lot more than they should with the help of other teams, which is the point I was attempting to make. Hence my examples of the last two series of the season, the last two that were fresh on everyone's minds. I don't have the time to dissect every game of the season to provide more examples, I have a job that requires actual work.
You, my friend, are the prime example of a person who never played college, and probably high school baseball, but have talked to people and or read things about baseball and believe you know more about baseball than Sir Abner Doubleday himself. I'm waiting for your response as to him being your great great grandfather or close relative of some sort. It's ok to admit you might have mispoken on the issue, but you seem to overlook some of the deficiencies of J Cohen. He has done a lot in a few years, but I'm not crowning his *** as the savior for Mississippi State Baseball. He has made strides, but he still makes bad decisions and has players that do not execute his "Instructions" at critical moments in games.
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We only had 1 out when the winning run scored. The game was already tied.<div>
</div><div>Jones's "error" (it wasn't scored that way, because it would have been a really difficult play) didn't cost the Tigers the game. IF he had made the play at home, there would have been another batter with the bases loaded, and even if that guy had gotten out too, the game would have gone to extra innings. Proof</div><div>
</div><div>You really destroy your own argument by getting your facts so wrong...</div>
</div><div>Jones's "error" (it wasn't scored that way, because it would have been a really difficult play) didn't cost the Tigers the game. IF he had made the play at home, there would have been another batter with the bases loaded, and even if that guy had gotten out too, the game would have gone to extra innings. Proof</div><div>
</div><div>You really destroy your own argument by getting your facts so wrong...</div>
Do you expect these guys to be perfect? He made a mistake, get over it.
When guys in the pros start walking everyone that comes up do you really think they are doing it? Do you not think they are actually trying to throw strikes and just can't hit the strike zone?
When guys in the pros start walking everyone that comes up do you really think they are doing it? Do you not think they are actually trying to throw strikes and just can't hit the strike zone?
to throw a BALL, which is a pitch not in the STRIKE ZONE, to a hitter. Thats a real educated statement. Throw the 17er 8 inches outside. Any pitcher should be able to do that, or they shouldn't be on the mound. These guys practice every day. Now maybe if a pitcher is trying to hit the corners and grooves one, its a mistake. But pitching around means, DON'T GIVE THEM ANYTHING CLOSE. Don't call anybody stupid as **** when you know not what you are talking about. This is not even on the same page as a pitcher being wild and walking batter after batter. Two totally different situations, which goes back to my original post. If Cohen didn't want to pitch to Mahtook in that situation, why didn't he just put him on and take all chance for mistake away from his pitcher? Answer that. Instead of pitching around just put him on. Its basically the same outcome with less risk.
It was a mistake and I know they make them. That was my original statement, but Todd4 made such a big deal about me criticizing a statement.
It was a mistake and I know they make them. That was my original statement, but Todd4 made such a big deal about me criticizing a statement.
That's the only point. You win games you should lose and lose games you should win, that's just baseball. Our team is not strong enough to put up 10+ per game. We were the 10th most talented team in the league this year. As such, you can't win on talent. Putting constant pressure on teams, by running, bunting, playing small ball, hitting line drives and ground balls, etc was our recipe for success this year. This gameplan basically does rely on the other team making mistakes in order to be effective. That's what "pressure" is. If we were as talented as Florida, our gameplanning would be much different...
1st game.
It was 3rd inning, score tied 1-1. Already2 outs.. BASES WERE ALREADY LOADED, so there was no place to walk Matook. Butch came out to Pollerena (likely to tell Pollerena to be careful). Pollerena got to1-2 onMatook(with 4 fouls) then Matook went out of the strike zone, and laced a hit right past Parks. [<font size="2">Mahtook singled through the left side, advanced to second, 2 RBI (1-2 BFFFF]</font>. Score was 3-1 after that hit. Go back and look at that "strike". Low and inside way out of the strike zone, where Matook got it. The dude got drafted in the 1st round for a reason.
Matook's 2-run homer. It was already 5-1. Pollerena grooved a fastball. 7-1 after that.
No matter. We did better this year than I ever thought.
It was 3rd inning, score tied 1-1. Already2 outs.. BASES WERE ALREADY LOADED, so there was no place to walk Matook. Butch came out to Pollerena (likely to tell Pollerena to be careful). Pollerena got to1-2 onMatook(with 4 fouls) then Matook went out of the strike zone, and laced a hit right past Parks. [<font size="2">Mahtook singled through the left side, advanced to second, 2 RBI (1-2 BFFFF]</font>. Score was 3-1 after that hit. Go back and look at that "strike". Low and inside way out of the strike zone, where Matook got it. The dude got drafted in the 1st round for a reason.
Matook's 2-run homer. It was already 5-1. Pollerena grooved a fastball. 7-1 after that.
No matter. We did better this year than I ever thought.
Seriously? Why should I "admit that I'm wrong" when I'm not because you are a baseball retard? Your answer is that Cohen is lying? Really? And no I wasn't on the mound, but guess what- unless you're Luis Pollorena, then you weren't there either. Guess who was- Cohen, or at least he discussed it with Butch and knew what we were going to do or not do. Do I believe everything I hear- absolutely not- I don't believe you played baseball either. So there's exhibit A for you.
Absolutely our pitchers should be able to execute, and that is the player and the coaches fault- but that's not what you were saying. YOU were the one saying that Cohen told him to pitch to Mahtook and blaming Cohen for it. If you had said that originally, I would have let that slide. But you didn't- and kept saying that it was Cohen's fault THAT HE TOLD POLLORENA TO THROW TO MAHTOOK until I whipped out my video proving that you were wrong. I'm sure you'll say that I'm "twisting your words."
I certainly can admit when I'm wrong- done it on here several times. I wasn't and am not wrong this time. I also have the balls to stand up for myself and to douchebags like you when I'm right.
About the UM outfielder- that's poor execution on his part CAUSED in part by our agressive baserunning. We are the ones executing- not the people making the mistakes. We make a hard turn around the bases, the outfielder looks up trying to get to the ball sooner to see if he has a play at a base, and the ball gets past him. If we play station to station, it's more likely that he makes that play. We don't rely on "people making errors" - we rely on pressure. We rely on us executing better. I said that errors are part of the game- you take that as me saying that "we rely on people making errors" again, because you're a dumbass- and again YOU are the one twisting words.
I don't think I have to prove that I know more about baseball than you. As if playing for any length of time somehow makes you more qulaified. I guess Nolan Ryan and Rickey Henderson know more than anyone if that's the case. Yet again, I didn't realize I had to have credentials to post about baseball. People usually whip that out when they know that I've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they're wrong. Yet again, you're a wannabe pro baseball player that ultimately was a failure as well. You're in the same boat as me, except that I have a bigger self-esteem and I actually know what I'm talking about. If you know what you're talking about- you don't have to crow "I KNOW BASEBALL!" I certainly don't, and never have, and I never will because I know that when I talk about it, people will know that I know baseball because it's very obvious. Actually I find it pretty amusing when idiots like yourself who are fighting a losing battle whip out Baseball Jesus, Abner Doubleday, and etc. Maybe you didn't make it because you didn't know what the hell was going on. Of course, I'm sure you'll tell me that you didn't make it because "you didn't get the right breaks" just like your "luck" excuse, which to me is for losers.
Oh, and maybe YOU should try reading about baseball so you wouldn't embarass yourself. And maybe follow the team a little bit closer- that would be helpful to you as well.
Absolutely our pitchers should be able to execute, and that is the player and the coaches fault- but that's not what you were saying. YOU were the one saying that Cohen told him to pitch to Mahtook and blaming Cohen for it. If you had said that originally, I would have let that slide. But you didn't- and kept saying that it was Cohen's fault THAT HE TOLD POLLORENA TO THROW TO MAHTOOK until I whipped out my video proving that you were wrong. I'm sure you'll say that I'm "twisting your words."
I certainly can admit when I'm wrong- done it on here several times. I wasn't and am not wrong this time. I also have the balls to stand up for myself and to douchebags like you when I'm right.
About the UM outfielder- that's poor execution on his part CAUSED in part by our agressive baserunning. We are the ones executing- not the people making the mistakes. We make a hard turn around the bases, the outfielder looks up trying to get to the ball sooner to see if he has a play at a base, and the ball gets past him. If we play station to station, it's more likely that he makes that play. We don't rely on "people making errors" - we rely on pressure. We rely on us executing better. I said that errors are part of the game- you take that as me saying that "we rely on people making errors" again, because you're a dumbass- and again YOU are the one twisting words.
I don't think I have to prove that I know more about baseball than you. As if playing for any length of time somehow makes you more qulaified. I guess Nolan Ryan and Rickey Henderson know more than anyone if that's the case. Yet again, I didn't realize I had to have credentials to post about baseball. People usually whip that out when they know that I've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they're wrong. Yet again, you're a wannabe pro baseball player that ultimately was a failure as well. You're in the same boat as me, except that I have a bigger self-esteem and I actually know what I'm talking about. If you know what you're talking about- you don't have to crow "I KNOW BASEBALL!" I certainly don't, and never have, and I never will because I know that when I talk about it, people will know that I know baseball because it's very obvious. Actually I find it pretty amusing when idiots like yourself who are fighting a losing battle whip out Baseball Jesus, Abner Doubleday, and etc. Maybe you didn't make it because you didn't know what the hell was going on. Of course, I'm sure you'll tell me that you didn't make it because "you didn't get the right breaks" just like your "luck" excuse, which to me is for losers.
Oh, and maybe YOU should try reading about baseball so you wouldn't embarass yourself. And maybe follow the team a little bit closer- that would be helpful to you as well.
Todd, you're calling him someone that doesn't know baseball but you dodged his point again. If Cohen told him not to pitch to him but he still did, then Rogue has an obvious point.<div>
</div><div>Basically, Todd played in the band all through high school and college and the only proof of him knowing more about baseball is that he doesn't have anything to do with his life other than post 1,000 times a day on a message board. That's the thing w/ message boards, the people that get "internet respect" are normally just the people that post the most.</div>
</div><div>Basically, Todd played in the band all through high school and college and the only proof of him knowing more about baseball is that he doesn't have anything to do with his life other than post 1,000 times a day on a message board. That's the thing w/ message boards, the people that get "internet respect" are normally just the people that post the most.</div>
"Absolutely our pitchers should be able to execute, and that is the player and the coaches fault"
Yeah, I really tried to dodge that one.
And by trying to put me down, are you not trying to build "internet respect" for yourself?
I swear, my dog has better reading comprehension than you.
Yeah, I really tried to dodge that one.
And by trying to put me down, are you not trying to build "internet respect" for yourself?
I swear, my dog has better reading comprehension than you.