This was a new way to lose...

[CappyNU]

We scored 15 points in 34 possessions when our traditional point guards were in the game and were outscored 42-15. We scored 41 points in 36 possessions when Berry or Gaines manned the point and outscored them 41-22.

The 11 points we scored in 28 possessions when Buie was on the court tonight (0.39 PPP) is the 2nd-worst performance by any player with 10+ minutes of playing time in the 4 years of lineup data I have, only behind the 8 points in 22 possessions (0.36 PPP) when AJ Turner was on the court in our 70-52 loss to Maryland in 2019.

 

[SimpsonElmwood]

Those minutes were the worst I have ever seen by an NU player scholarship player capable of earning some kind of B1G postseason recognition. Ok, that filter limited the pool of players substantially but you get the idea.

We expect a lot from Buie because he is capable of it. That was a mess at a fundamental level. For a few minutes in the second half we would have been better off playing 4 on 5. I don't know what was going on, but he knew he was not going back into that game.

 

[PurpleFaze]

The problem is Boo has little to no self control and zero understanding of his role on a team. Be interesting to see if he starts next game- because he shouldn’t.

For the game NU had 10 assists and 20 turnovers. Do these guys practice? Too often they look like a bunch of guys at the Y who just met playing a pickup game.

 

[GatoLouco]

We scored 41 points in 36 possessions when Berry or Gaines manned the point and outscored them 41-22.

Buie should not have started the 2nd half and he did. And stayed on for 9 minutes. Berry deserved minutes in the 2nd half, after bringing energy and not being afraid to shoot the ball in the 1st half. He didn't get them. We might have won the game if we did these two things. We will never know. Game was surprisingly very winnable. Rutgers was underwhelming.

Anyway, good to see CC benching Buie in the 1st and finally realizing Young and Nance can play together and give us a lot more than Nance/Beran. Even if our ability to get the ball inside continues to be pathetic.

Just a side note, it was Audige manning the point 90% of the non Buie time, not Berry/Gaines

 

[CappyNU]

Buie should not have started the 2nd half and he did. And stayed on for 9 minutes. Berry deserved minutes in the 2nd half, after bringing energy and not being afraid to shoot the ball in the 1st half. He didn't get them. We might have won the game if we did these two things. We will never know. Game was surprisingly very winnable. Rutgers was underwhelming.

Anyway, good to see CC benching Buie in the 1st and finally realizing Young and Nance can play together and give us a lot more than Nance/Beran. Even if our ability to get the ball inside continues to be pathetic.

Just a side note, it was Audige manning the point 90% of the non Buie time, not Berry/Gaines

You're right, I had skipped ahead through parts of the game once we were down 20 and wasn't paying attention to Audige running the point for the most part. I do think Collins is trying to find the thing that clicks with this team, and is not having success for large stretches of games.

I wish he would shake up the starting lineup, given that it has played very poorly together for 5 of the last 6 games.

First 5 games:
Outscoring opponents 96-79, 1.20 oPPP/0.99 dPPP

Last 6 games:
Outscored by opponents 69-98, 0.78 oPPP/1.15 dPPP

In the last 6 games, here are the lineups with a positive +/- and at least 10 possessions together:
Boo-Audige-Gaines-Kopp-Nance, +8 in 17:01
Audige-Gaines-Kopp-Nance-Young, +7 in 10:47 last night
Boo-Berry-Gaines-Kopp-Nance, +7 in 10:16
Boo-Gaines-Kopp-Beran-Nance, +5 in 8:28
Audige-Berry-Kopp-Nance-Young, +13 in 6:15 last night (only reason this didn't get more PT was Berry getting 4 fouls midway through 2nd half)
Greer-Audige-Gaines-Kopp-Young, +10 in 5:10

Feels like it's worth at least swapping out Beran for Gaines to start, and seeing whether we get good Boo or bad Boo to decide whether he needs a quick hook or not.

 

[Titanium999]

You're right, I had skipped ahead through parts of the game once we were down 20 and wasn't paying attention to Audige running the point for the most part. I do think Collins is trying to find the thing that clicks with this team, and is not having success for large stretches of games.

I wish he would shake up the starting lineup, given that it has played very poorly together for 5 of the last 6 games.

First 5 games:
Outscoring opponents 96-79, 1.20 oPPP/0.99 dPPP

Last 6 games:
Outscored by opponents 69-98, 0.78 oPPP/1.15 dPPP

In the last 6 games, here are the lineups with a positive +/- and at least 10 possessions together:
Boo-Audige-Gaines-Kopp-Nance, +8 in 17:01
Audige-Gaines-Kopp-Nance-Young, +7 in 10:47 last night
Boo-Berry-Gaines-Kopp-Nance, +7 in 10:16
Boo-Gaines-Kopp-Beran-Nance, +5 in 8:28
Audige-Berry-Kopp-Nance-Young, +13 in 6:15 last night (only reason this didn't get more PT was Berry getting 4 fouls midway through 2nd half)
Greer-Audige-Gaines-Kopp-Young, +10 in 5:10

Feels like it's worth at least swapping out Beran for Gaines to start, and seeing whether we get good Boo or bad Boo to decide whether he needs a quick hook or not.

I thought Kopp hurt us as well

 

[willycat]

You're right, I had skipped ahead through parts of the game once we were down 20 and wasn't paying attention to Audige running the point for the most part. I do think Collins is trying to find the thing that clicks with this team, and is not having success for large stretches of games.

I wish he would shake up the starting lineup, given that it has played very poorly together for 5 of the last 6 games.

First 5 games:
Outscoring opponents 96-79, 1.20 oPPP/0.99 dPPP

Last 6 games:
Outscored by opponents 69-98, 0.78 oPPP/1.15 dPPP

In the last 6 games, here are the lineups with a positive +/- and at least 10 possessions together:
Boo-Audige-Gaines-Kopp-Nance, +8 in 17:01
Audige-Gaines-Kopp-Nance-Young, +7 in 10:47 last night
Boo-Berry-Gaines-Kopp-Nance, +7 in 10:16
Boo-Gaines-Kopp-Beran-Nance, +5 in 8:28
Audige-Berry-Kopp-Nance-Young, +13 in 6:15 last night (only reason this didn't get more PT was Berry getting 4 fouls midway through 2nd half)
Greer-Audige-Gaines-Kopp-Young, +10 in 5:10

Feels like it's worth at least swapping out Beran for Gaines to start, and seeing whether we get good Boo or bad Boo to decide whether he needs a quick hook or not.

can't really see Audige playing the point. Does he ever pass the ball? less Gaines would also be a good thing.

 

[NUThump]

Buie should not have started the 2nd half and he did. And stayed on for 9 minutes. Berry deserved minutes in the 2nd half, after bringing energy and not being afraid to shoot the ball in the 1st half. He didn't get them.

Yeah, Berry picking up his 4th foul early was unfortunate. I was hoping to see more minutes as well. He seems to move his feet pretty well on defense but gets called for a lot of ticky-tack stuff.

 

[mikeyo]

The problem is Boo has little to no self control and zero understanding of his role on a team. Be interesting to see if he starts next game- because he shouldn’t.

For the game NU had 10 assists and 20 turnovers. Do these guys practice? Too often they look like a bunch of guys at the Y who just met playing a pickup game.

RU leads the conference in steals (total number and average
per game), so your players are not the exception. And that's a
good thing too, considering how sloppy we can be (which you
all witnessed for yourself last night).

 

[Secho99]

can't really see Audige playing the point. Does he ever pass the ball? less Gaines would also be a good thing.

Audige actually made like 3 nice kickout passes to shooters last night off the drive after drawing an extra defender. If he could do more of that and improve his decision-making with his shots he has a chance to be really good for us the next 2 years.

But it's not good that he's both our highest-usage player and our least efficient player. Chase's 88.9 ORtg on KenPom is lower than any of Tre Demps' 4 years, even if you just include Tre's conference games. The good news is Tre went from 90 as a sophomore in B1G play to 103 and 107 his last 2 years so there's hope for Audige.

I like the idea of more Young and less Beran. I would go with Nance and Young together to start.

And while it was frustrating to see Kopp miss a couple wide open looks in big spots last night, I feel like we need to make a more concerted effort to get him the ball and he needs to want to shoot it more. He's still our best shooter and the fact that he ranks 5th on the team in usage is inexcusable.