This was push back against the B1G. And I almost get it.

biazza38

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It’s BS!!! That’s what it is
Nevada finished the season with 3 straight Q3 losses.
As for the push back on the B1G… I can understand that, but then how the hell does the MWC get FOUR TEAMS IN?!? Wtf
That conference loses every game every year. They haven’t won a game since 2018
 

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It wasn't important last year either. A lot of people have said it is but they are pretty clearly wrong. It's being used to sort the quads, and look at the strength of wins and losses. It's not being directly used (much) to select the field.
Think you’re right - their disregarded for the NET helped us last year and hurt this year

This just supports my thinking - they just didn’t want 9 Big10 teams and we were #9 in their eyes (which is hard to argue). Considering PSUs week (hate to say it since they are devil-spawn) they look better to the eye right now
 
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It's basketball, not the State Department. "Nuanced" is just a euphemism for "we did what we felt like."
 

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Think you’re right - their disregarded for the NET helped us last year and hurt this year

This just supports my thinking - they just didn’t want 9 Big10 teams and we were #9 in their eyes (which is hard to argue). Considering PSUs week (hate to say it since they are devil-spawn) they look better to the eye right now
I agree. I think the quad 3 losses (MN specifically) gave them a reason to keep RU out and the B1G at 8 teams. With 20 wins and one less quad 3 loss, it would have been much tougher for the committee to keep RU out.
 
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What are the odds that at some point, the entire committee turned to the AD from Minnesota and said, "Well, you're only getting 9 spots and you have ten teams. Who do you want to leave out?" And he picked Rutgers.

The odds have to be at least 25%, right?
 

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What are the odds that at some point, the entire committee turned to the AD from Minnesota and said, "Well, you're only getting 9 spots and you have ten teams. Who do you want to leave out?" And he picked Rutgers.

The odds have to be at least 25%, right?
The odds of that are 0.

I mean the question doesn't even make sense, Rutgers was clearly the last Big Ten team making it, who else are they plausibly leaving out from the Big Ten?
 

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What are the odds that at some point, the entire committee turned to the AD from Minnesota and said, "Well, you're only getting 9 spots and you have ten teams. Who do you want to leave out?" And he picked Rutgers.

The odds have to be at least 25%, right?

The chance is zero since the Big10 got 8 (not 9) teams

We were the 9th. Not 10th
 
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We can complain about anti-B1G sentiment, the refs, injuries, weak OOC scheduling and more, but in this case it came down to losing a 10 point lead in the last 1:15 to the worse team in the conference. That doesn’t happen and we’re in. No one to blame but ourselves.
 

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We can complain about anti-B1G sentiment, the refs, injuries, weak OOC scheduling and more, but in this case it came down to losing a 10 point lead in the last 1:15 to the worse team in the conference. That doesn’t happen and we’re in. No one to blame but ourselves.
Or you can go by the entire body of work instead of judging a team unfairly by a small sample. It’s weird the NET is what got Nevada in, and the committee didn’t seem to care that they finished the season with 3 straight Q3 losses
 

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And it’s a statement that you can’t have 3+ quad 3/4 losses. No matter what your Q1 record is.

And if you lose a key player , you better not be in the bubble convo
Just that basic logic they use seems faulty to me.

If I wanted to organize the best tournament, I would value the schools who played well against the better teams and did not get blown out by better teams. To give a lot of weight to an otherwise qualified team having a few bad days against the type of team that won’t even be in my tournament is overvaluing an irrelevant factor.

Use bad losses as a tiebreaker between two teams that are close is fine. Valuing a team that hasn’t shown they can beat better teams, and has been blown out by several, (like NC State) just because they have no bad losses is ridiculous.
 

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Or you can go by the entire body of work instead of judging a team unfairly by a small sample. It’s weird the NET is what got Nevada in, and the committee didn’t seem to care that they finished the season with 3 straight Q3 losses

exactly. they finish with 3 straight Q3 losses and yet bad losses is one of the reasons given for why RU didnt get in.

thus, reason why you cant look at the #s for the reason we didnt get in. per the #s we absolutely deserved over 2-3 (more?) teams that did make it.

simply - due to underperformance of the Big10 the last few years they DID NOT WANT 9 BIG10 TEAMS and we were the ninth team in their eyes thus we didnt make it.

they will never say that thus they come up with other reasons why (even though those reasons directly contradict other decisions they made to include teams - see Nevada)

its the only explanation that makes sense.

cant say I blame them,

just sucks that we were team #9 from the Big10 in their eyes
 
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Just that basic logic they use seems faulty to me.

If I wanted to organize the best tournament, I would value the schools who played well against the better teams and did not get blown out by better teams. To give a lot of weight to an otherwise qualified team having a few bad days against the type of team that won’t even be in my tournament is overvaluing an irrelevant factor.

Use bad losses as a tiebreaker between two teams that are close is fine. Valuing a team that hasn’t shown they can beat better teams, and has been blown out by several, (like NC State) just because they have no bad losses is ridiculous.

That’s an interesting and good take !
 

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it’s a bad look to keep disappointing in March especially when liking into the tournament with 10 teams.

Of course we would be the sacrificial lamb. We absolutely deserved to be in. Such a d!ck punch.

But that’s the problem - according to everyone, they don’t factor in YoY conference performances in the dance. I mean if that was the case the mountain west has not won a game since 2018 but now we got four of those teams in it haha. It’s all arbitrary and what they need to do is do like football - committee releases mock bracket two weeks prior, week prior and then real one selection Sunday so everyone knows where they stand in sequential order. Football does this 1-25 and u know where u are, they just start it mid season. Basketball says they don’t factor in last ten yet committtee chair says our last ten has not been good. They got rid of RPI and now say NET matters, yet two teams with wayyy high NETS are in over us. Like it’s never the same criteria ever and it’s all over the place. I’m trying to get the committee chair on the pod I host for The Analyst (Stats INC’s platform) on soon to analyze the process & the metrics they use, because forget about Rutgers for a sec - how is Carolina behind us hahha. They beat NO ONE all year. And how is NC State a team with ONE QUAD 1 win, comfortably in. Makes no sense.
 
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