These are the cuts after they figured they figured their new real budgets. (for now)
Thought this was interesting…
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Doesn't change they're overpaid. I'd say the people negotiating the tv contract are the real revenue producers. If the best players chose not to play (hold out), there would still be a game of football. It's all BS, Players playing a game should be paid a reasonable pay, nothing more. A coach the same. We've lost our minds with all of this.
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That was a great argument 20 years ago when TV networks were a fraction of what they are now. Amateur sports (mainly college football) was a billion entertainment industry where the stars weren’t paid.
So you can fire a bunch of people who have really important jobs only to rehire them after you realize it was a disaster?
People love to think THEY are too important or good to get cut. Gives the a thrill seeing it happen to others. When it happens to them it’s favoritism or corruption.
Exactly. Those things would be things that at aren’t businesses like athletic departments and government agencies. If athletic departments were businesses there would be nothing but football and basketball.
It was true then and is true now. Not arguing they shouldn’t receive more, but they have always been receiving something
I said that this is the small beginning of a big change. Whenever they finish with college football, we won't recognize it any longer.
The current model of college athletics is not sustainable. It's just not. Market corrections are going to hit hard when they do. Programs are going to disappear. Already are. Universities ca t afford it now they are having to pay players on top of all the other free **** student athletes get. Regular Joe fans can't afford it either. Keeping up with the jones is gonna end. And frankly I'm interested to see if tv deals start kind of leveling off for many conferences and teams. No way games against two nobody's is making that much in ads etc to pay for having them. I've become less interested in college sports in general thanks to portal era and nil. It's never been what it should be and unlimited transfers with no rules.
I’m not arguing for players deserving more or less money by any means.
but people watch tv to see good football games not bad football games so players and coaches affect that more than anything.
You mean the meaningless SEC tournament? It should be eliminated. Nobody watching and who cares?
Wrong. In the NFL, that is true. We all get that. That is where the best players play.
In college, we watch to see our team win. There aren’t that many passive fans who just watch ‘the sport’. That’s been the biggest myth of this whole deal. We only want the best players if they play for us.
Some of you still fundamentally do not get it.
Tell me why usm vs Tulane doesn’t draw more crowds and tv coverage.
Because they don’t have many fans, dubmass. Duh. Same thing I’ve been trying to tell you.
Those two teams could luck into the national title game and it would be the least watched game of all time.
The idea that tv money should go to the players relies on the fact the players are the reason for the tv money. They aren’t. You could swap them all out tomorrow and the ratings would be the same. Hell they should rev share the tv money with the fans. We are the ones that make it happen.
So why did Mississippi state have more attendance from 2010 to 2017 vs now
it’s bc we were good bc we had better players and coaches you 17ing idiot
That once was the case, and for 50+ years how it was for me. Now, we don't even know who "our team" is because they come and go so easily. They have no loyalty for their teammates, no loyalty for the school, only loyalty for themselves. It's 100% why myself and many more like me are all but done with it. It's why you're seeing the school begging for fans in weekly emails to buy tickets, extending ticket purchasing deadlines, putting ticket and parking packages together at ridiculously cheap prices. I don't envy them trying to bring fans back between all of the above and big screens and outdoor kitchens, they have a very tough sale to capture
Better developed players was a product of better coaching. We always recruit in the same area, which is generally a sliding scale of what our budget and program appeal will allow. The players get famous because of our love of MSU, not the other way around.
Alabama fans didn’t give a 17 how good Dak was. They also didn’t appreciate Cam Newton’s athletic ability. They just hated them both because they were a threat.
You’re too stupid to understand this, I’m afraid. Better players only matters to the extent that they are better than our competition. The overall talent level of the game DOES NOT MATTER. Within reason, obviously.
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Exactly, and this proves that it’s not about the players. It’s about us fans. We have all the power.
That said, it’d be impossible for us to leverage that power. It’d take national unity, which won’t happen. All we’d do is cripple our own team.
This. Athletic departments have been trying to operate like a business for years only with no real strategy other than spend the revenue on staff and stadiums. A strategy that is finally biting them in the ***.
Crawfishing now I see.
better players and coaches bring better ratings. We see it ever year when we pick weekends to talk about on this site when big games are going on (that don’t involve MSU).
So you are gonna watch ever msu game this year from start to finish no matter how good or bad we are?
I’m sure I will cut one off if it’s bad but I have no idea how that relates to my point.
The point is good football makes people watch
The better the players and coaches the better the football and more people watching
Nah. Flip the rosters tomorrow and everyone is gonna show up the same way and the conferences will command the same contracts.
But you are referencing pay for play anyway. Not NIL and the rev share is NIL.
Now flip it. What would happen if you moved every college, changed the names and colors but kept the players the same?
Nope. The team name and colors being on the uniform make the people watch.
Sure, if it was pee wee players, no one would watch. But if you took away the best 1500 players from FBS football and replaced them with FCS players it wouldn't even cause a blip on the radar for attendance and TV figures.
Strip away the school branding from the current players and you have something akin to the XFL/USFL and no one gives a crap.
We have flipped it
10 years ago we had packed houses at Scott field
Now the stadium is empty
And I guarantee you less state fans are watching on tv when we play
why? Bc we were good and now we suck.
start winning this year or show some serious promise?
next year we will sell more tickets and have better attendance.
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Well our attendance at games says otherwise and the general theme of this board says otherwise
Yes. But there are going to be bad teams in any structure we set up. There are bad NFL teams and those are the most talented guys in the world.
I’m talking about the entire structure. Everything that draws the media and CFP money is based on the colleges and their alums. Those contracts only exist in those amounts bc of the colleges and fans.
Again. What would command an amount closer to the current media and CFP contracts:
1. Flipping every college roster to D2 kids OR
2. Keeping the same kids but having them play in random locations with different names and different colors?
its obviously #1. As was pointed out, option 2 is basically a version of every other failed FB league experiment.
Part of our attendance issue is, in addition to losing, that in the modern day tv we have an abnormally large stadium when you look at enrollment and surrounding population. In no universe should our stadium be 2/3 the size of Aubruns or Alabamas. We weren’t exactly packing DWS during Leachs 2 good years.
this was my original statement and it’s true
not sure what tangent you are on but Mississippi state attendance and television viewing fluctuates directly with how good we are which is due to coaches and players.
the sec got the original super tv contract deal bc it was the best conference and bc of the people who follow it. Why do they follow it? Bc the league is so good. Alabama has a cult following bc they’ve been so good for so long.
yes there is a level of fan support regardless but the demand goes up and down based on how good the team is. That can’t be argued by any one with a triple digit iq.
Yes. No one disagrees that losing teams draw fewer fans. In any system.
So set that aside bc it isn’t relevant to the debate about why these media and CFP contracts exists.
The reason the BIG and SEC have the best players and brands is BECAUSE of the huge number of people who are rabid about their schools. And want to spend time on their campuses. And that will still be the same regardless of who plays within the system.
Again. Go back to my original question above. Which scenario draws media and CFP contracts closest to what we have now?
We can agree to disagree then.
If the sec starts sucking, viewership will go down. If viewership goes down, the next contract won’t have as much bargaining power by the conference.
Going to try this one more time in an effort to educate your dumb17 asss. The coachers and players being "good" only matters inasmuch as it compares to the competition. Not overall talent level throughout college football.
Here's an illustration. If they were to allow guys to leave for the NFL any time, disallow ALL revenue sharing and/or NIL, and then create a semi-paid minor league NFL system (or any other option you can come up with), decrease stipends and make partial scholarships - that would water down the talent in college football wouldn't it? And I bet the TV eyeballs and fan attendance would not drop ONE BIT.
A final example.....nobody cares if some freak athlete makes some crazy acrobatic catch. They'd rather see a short mid level guy make the an ugly catch in the end zone.....for their team, because that means they scored. It's not a beauty contest. The only reason players matter in this equation is because it allows boosters to pay them so they can hopefully win easier.
So if you have the capacity to think a little deeper than surface level.....I think you'll begin to understand the thought process here. And again, you must use your brain - they still have to be football players. I'm not talking about blind midgets or something.
I stopped reading when you said educate
I’ll have an iq competition with you at any point you want.
I’ll give you 5 to 1 odds and I’ll front the cost of the test.
we can do it at the vet school if you even know how to find it.