Tiger's back...
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I'll be honest, I was getting sick of Tiger even before he screwed up. He's easily the most entertaining golfer to watch in terms of pure skill and results, but I was tiring of him not even cracking a smile on the course. It was almost as if he wasn't having a good time and most of the time came across as a dick. The media never wanted to acknowledged it since he's the cash cow - I don't really blame them either. But it was painful for me to watch. I know the guy is likely very focused during a round, but he's got to learn to lighten up a little going forward and act as if he's human every now and again. He's very robotic in the way he goes through a round and it's getting a little boring, to me, to watch for an extended period of time.
I'm thinking he's going to have to make some major adjustments to his on-course mannerisms and lighten up if he wants a decent welcoming back from the general golf watching public and to be accepted again for the long-term.
And before someone bring up that he can act however he likes and that he owes nothing to anyone other than his family, just remember that what's fair in theory is not necessarily how reality works. He deserves his privacy and should be able to separate work form personal life. But, that's not necessarily how it's going to work from here on out in the real world. He's going to have to make some big time image adjustments if he's going to be comfortable again playing golf publicly.
I'm thinking he's going to have to make some major adjustments to his on-course mannerisms and lighten up if he wants a decent welcoming back from the general golf watching public and to be accepted again for the long-term.
And before someone bring up that he can act however he likes and that he owes nothing to anyone other than his family, just remember that what's fair in theory is not necessarily how reality works. He deserves his privacy and should be able to separate work form personal life. But, that's not necessarily how it's going to work from here on out in the real world. He's going to have to make some big time image adjustments if he's going to be comfortable again playing golf publicly.
him... I never liked those angry fist pumps...I always wanted him to lose...
I hope the gallery gives him hell and it messes with him mentally
I hope the gallery gives him hell and it messes with him mentally
you actually think he is going to give a crap about his mannerisms on the course or that he needs to lighten up? in the real world of competitive sports, the only thing that really matters is winning. everything else is water under the bridge.
hell, i have been thinking for months now that the only way he is going to get his fans back is to win and win often. that will take even more focus than before. i'd venture to bet that if he comes out with some goofy smile on his face and no fire about him that it will be a long time before he is winning.
hell, i have been thinking for months now that the only way he is going to get his fans back is to win and win often. that will take even more focus than before. i'd venture to bet that if he comes out with some goofy smile on his face and no fire about him that it will be a long time before he is winning.
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Getting tired of him not smiling on the course? Why does he have to smile for you? He doesn't owe you a damn thing. He doesn't have to ever smile if he doesn't want to.
Why do you give a **** if he's having fun or not?
When Tiger is on the course, the guy is at work. Maybe he's serious about his business.
Not liking his fist pumps? What kind of silly **** is that?
If I were Tiger, I would never smile and pump my fist after every stroke just to piss you stupid MFers off.
I'll be glad to see him back and hope he goes on to have the best career of any golfer that ever lived. Whatever he and his wife decide to do in their relationship is fine with me. That's their marriage and none of our business.
Why do you give a **** if he's having fun or not?
When Tiger is on the course, the guy is at work. Maybe he's serious about his business.
Not liking his fist pumps? What kind of silly **** is that?
If I were Tiger, I would never smile and pump my fist after every stroke just to piss you stupid MFers off.
I'll be glad to see him back and hope he goes on to have the best career of any golfer that ever lived. Whatever he and his wife decide to do in their relationship is fine with me. That's their marriage and none of our business.
i don't get it. i watch major league baseball occasionally and used to watch it all the time, but for the life of me i can't remember seeing a pitcher on the mound smiling all the time. i have also never heard anyone ***** about not being able to watch a particular pitcher because he isn't smiling enough. i realize this isn't the best analogy but hopefully the point has been made somewhat.
Without the tournament and personal sponsors, which ALL get their money from the public consumer by selling its products, he wouldn't have ****. Same thing with any pro sport and college sport. THE FAN, and thus the consumer, is ALWAYS RIGHT and actually holds all the cards....something many people seem to forget.
I can't think of any other high-profile professional sport where the fans can be so closely connected to the competitors. In golf, it's not just showing up to a stadium and watching a few uniformed men toss a ball around while you drink a few beers from a distance. You can follow the competitor around, listen to what they say, see how they react, etc. It's definitely touchy-feely sounding, but you can become more easily connected with a golfer than you can with any other athlete - even on a television screen.
For that reason, I think your attitude/appearance is more important in golf as far as fan reception or respect is concerned. Golfers can appear to be more "human" than other athletes. Before, his mannerisms were attributed to intensity, desire, and winning. Now, after all the womanizing, lying, etc., his mannerisms could easily be interpreted at him simply being a jerk-off. Like I mentioned, despite him being an incredible golfer, I was getting very tired of watching him slam clubs and look like he wanted to die half the time when he was on the course. Many will get past it and continue following him because he's an amazing golfer. But, there could just as well be a significant drop-off in his support should he continue being so stoic. The guy doesn't have anything to prove competitively any longer - he's done it all - we all know he's the best.
I'm not suggesting he should not take the game seriously...intensity/fire and appearing to enjoy what you do for a living don't have to be mutually exclusive.
For that reason, I think your attitude/appearance is more important in golf as far as fan reception or respect is concerned. Golfers can appear to be more "human" than other athletes. Before, his mannerisms were attributed to intensity, desire, and winning. Now, after all the womanizing, lying, etc., his mannerisms could easily be interpreted at him simply being a jerk-off. Like I mentioned, despite him being an incredible golfer, I was getting very tired of watching him slam clubs and look like he wanted to die half the time when he was on the course. Many will get past it and continue following him because he's an amazing golfer. But, there could just as well be a significant drop-off in his support should he continue being so stoic. The guy doesn't have anything to prove competitively any longer - he's done it all - we all know he's the best.
I'm not suggesting he should not take the game seriously...intensity/fire and appearing to enjoy what you do for a living don't have to be mutually exclusive.
if you believe golf is so different, and you believe that Tiger is horrible to watch, then why is it that he is the most watched golfer on the planet?
easy answer...he wins. there are some people like you out there that don't like to watch him but the numbers CLEARLY show you are in the minority. golf viewership drops drastically when he doesn't play.
easy answer...he wins. there are some people like you out there that don't like to watch him but the numbers CLEARLY show you are in the minority. golf viewership drops drastically when he doesn't play.
ever came around. He just happen to revive them and bring in a broader audience to them. Honestly, I think the PGA was actually greater in the 1970's and 1980's - on the whole - than it is today.
and been behind the popularity explosion. May have been great, but a lot less people watched and the golfers made a lot less money.
and how he should be careful about how he is perceived. Fair or not, he may no longer be perceived as simply a fierce competitor and may end up being viewed as the heartless dick. I'm not sure if the villain role could work in golf as it does in other sports. Maybe it could?
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Any company that asked Tiger Woods to market their product is merely associating their product with the athleticism or image of Tiger. You're still buying a Buick, American Express or Gatorade. You were NOT buying Tiger. Therefore, Tiger still doesn't owe you anything. Nothing at all.
Tiger was compensated for allowing a company to use his image. Not for grinning in public.
The fans are always right? What do the fans control on a golf course? Absolutely nothing.
Tiger could enter a tournament and tell every fan at every hole to kiss his *** and he would still get paid if won the tournament.
Y'all are confused.
Tiger was compensated for allowing a company to use his image. Not for grinning in public.
The fans are always right? What do the fans control on a golf course? Absolutely nothing.
Tiger could enter a tournament and tell every fan at every hole to kiss his *** and he would still get paid if won the tournament.
Y'all are confused.
i still think if he is winning no one will care. the media will play it up as the greatest comeback of the decade. the sponsors will clamor back to his side. it will be funny to see all of them trying to get in on the action.
but, if he comes back, slams clubs around a lot, doesn't smile more for the cameras, AND can't find a way to win, then he has a recipe for more media disaster awaiting him. i will absolutely agree with you there.
so again, win and it goes away. the villain role in golf would work if someone were to win all of the time. fans are sheep.
but, if he comes back, slams clubs around a lot, doesn't smile more for the cameras, AND can't find a way to win, then he has a recipe for more media disaster awaiting him. i will absolutely agree with you there.
so again, win and it goes away. the villain role in golf would work if someone were to win all of the time. fans are sheep.
Their sport involves traveling the world and playing courses that most could only dream of.
Their sport involves doing what most average golfers day dream about while sitting at a desk or laboring outside.
Their sport, to many, is a vacation.
Their sport is played while wearing polished shoes and $300 slacks.
Sorry for bitching about somebody that looks miserable while doing what I aspire to have time for in my retirement.
Their sport involves doing what most average golfers day dream about while sitting at a desk or laboring outside.
Their sport, to many, is a vacation.
Their sport is played while wearing polished shoes and $300 slacks.
Sorry for bitching about somebody that looks miserable while doing what I aspire to have time for in my retirement.
Winning will probably be the cure-all for Tiger. But, I do think it's at least more than a remote possibility of him being turned on by a substantial amount of golf fans (or casual Tiger fans). If he has image consultants (celebs have those now, right?), I'm sure they've brought this up.
If I and other consumers don't buy your product, you don't have **** to give Tiger when he wins that unsponsored tournament. I sense an extreme liking of all things Tiger from you. You have to remember though, I personally don't think Tiger OWES anyone anything but he needs to be thankful and responsive to the millions of idiots who do buy **** because of him.
come out at my press conference, after allowing as many cameras as the media wanted there, with my two middle fingers in the air, walked to the microphone and simply stated, "17 off" and drove my $100000 car back to my $1000000 home.
If Gatorade or any other company doesn't like his image, don't pay him. It is as simple as that. He doesn't owe anyone, especially the public, anything.
If all of his sponsors drop him, he will be ok. He will just make millions on the golf course.
If Gatorade or any other company doesn't like his image, don't pay him. It is as simple as that. He doesn't owe anyone, especially the public, anything.
If all of his sponsors drop him, he will be ok. He will just make millions on the golf course.
Golf at that level requires total concentration, and very few can give, what you are are looking for...maybe Trevino did, maybe a few others,
BUT nobody at Tigers' level.
BUT nobody at Tigers' level.
Few have ever played with the skill he has.
I hate what he did to his wife, but it is none of my business. His and her problem. As long as he playes as well as he has in the past, I'll watch and thousands of others will watch too.
He was what golf needed. A fierce competitor. He played with intensity and seldom anger. His fist pumps showed me that he knew thathe had accomplished what he needed atleast on that hole, at the completion of that hole. I never saw him fist pumpa drive although he drives as good as any player that ever played. Never saw him pump after an iron shot, bla bla bla. ONly when he finished a hole. The guy knew his goals.
He willdo fine when he comes back if he wins - because people like winners. If he blows his marriage, that will be a shame to me. maybe not to you.
I hate what he did to his wife, but it is none of my business. His and her problem. As long as he playes as well as he has in the past, I'll watch and thousands of others will watch too.
He was what golf needed. A fierce competitor. He played with intensity and seldom anger. His fist pumps showed me that he knew thathe had accomplished what he needed atleast on that hole, at the completion of that hole. I never saw him fist pumpa drive although he drives as good as any player that ever played. Never saw him pump after an iron shot, bla bla bla. ONly when he finished a hole. The guy knew his goals.
He willdo fine when he comes back if he wins - because people like winners. If he blows his marriage, that will be a shame to me. maybe not to you.