TN Tornado caught by one of our team members

RocketDawg

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You guys, be careful over there. The weather is cranking up in Tennessee and northern Alabama. I think that is forecasted later tonight possibly in northern Mississippi.
It was pretty dicey here for a while last night when two tornado-warmed storms went through about the same place within a short time. Both were north of me by a few miles, and I had no rain with either storm.

After those two storms, others came through and I had 1.8" sometime before daybreak. Some members of my golf group lived in the path and had almost 5". Officially at HSV the NWS recorded 1.6" and the ASOS at the NWS office in the NSSTC had 1.7"
 

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I live in Madison (Huntsville suburb) and I'm pretty sure we had a small spin up tornado come through. It was reasonably calm, and then suddenly the wind got really loud for about 30 seconds and the power went out. We had some trees down in our neighborhood, and trash everywhere because Thursday is garbage and once a month recycling day.

I also realized that TV weathermen are getting a little bit too clever with their precise locations, because every location he mentioned when tracking the tornado was several miles north of us.
You must be on the north side of Madison. I live near Town Madison and had zero rain or thunder for the mid-evening storms. They went almost due east from Athens into north Madison and Huntsville. Sometime during the night after I'd gone to bed storms came through (I think the ones that were in north Mississippi) we had rain then but nothing serious.
 
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To follow up on Desoto's reply with a little more weather nerd added in. Radar can't, and never will, be able to tell you what is happening in real time. Best case scenario it lags reality by 3-5 minutes. That is due to the fact that each radar image is a composite of 4 different radar scans at different elevations. It then has to process that and the computer has to send it out in the readable radar image we are all familiar with. With a tornado on the ground possibly moving 60-70mph, 3-5 minutes can make a big difference.

Also, the further you get from a radar site the higher the beam is due to it being set at a 0.5 degree tilt at the lowest level. That, combined with the curvature of the earth means the beam is steadily getting higher off of the ground. By 80 miles the beam is 7,000ft off the ground. That means it is completely blind to what is happening below that height. For EF-0 and EF-1 tornadoes that can mean that it can be on the ground and causing damage, but the NWS has no way of confirming that because it can't see the debris signature on radar which means the warning is not upgraded. Research has shown people are 75% more likely to take shelter when they know a tornado has been confirmed.

So that is where we come in. We try to position ourselves with a view of the storm to see if it is producing a tornado or not. We can also report back on hail and straight line winds. Additionally, we are often one of the first on the scene after a tornado hits and can assist in search and rescue which I have done twice and why I carry a decent supply of medical supplies.

However, we can't be everywhere at once. That is why our chase team nonprofit wing is working to get a camera network set up on towers across the state so that NWS and local media can see what a storm is producing. It has been an extremely uphill climb with a lot of obstacles but we are starting to make progress. Just yesterday we finally got sites to post some cameras. Now we just have to have the funds to buy them.
Phased array radar will help response time since the antenna doesn't have to physically rotate, and incoming data processing technology is getting faster almost daily. Will the NWS ever have that? Maybe some day. NEXRAD is pretty old technology now and even with that, there are some areas in the country that have very poor coverage..
 

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To add, having X during an event like yesterday in Huntsville is very powerful for the average person if chasers and other weather folks are posting. I searched Huntsville as that storm was moving toward town last night and posts were happening every few seconds from random people on the ground, spotters, and people with access to better radar than me. My brother lives there and I was able to tell him where the tornado was minutes before his news station would report it. Luckily it passed a mile or so north of him, but instant information during the tornado could have been a game changer had it turned just slightly south. The chasers make a huge difference for instant info.

That being said, there is an element of thrill seeking BS where they are trying to make a buck by getting as close as possible to the tornado while screaming like a Dude Perfect episode. I don’t find those folks particularly helpful and they probably encourage the uniformed to follow a tornado in their cars if they see one.
Storm chasers were a huge help for the storms last week in the Nebraska and Iowa. If nothing else, they had some superb video of non-rain wrapped tornadoes, plus they were able to render aid in some cases. Chaser coverage on the Fox Weather Channel was really good, better even than The Weather Channel.
 
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Several warnings, but I don't think there were any confirmed tornadoes. They looked nasty on radar though.

Well, I was wrong. There was an EF-3 in Limestone County, and more than one EF-2 in Madison County. The historic Five Points area had lots of damage and trees down, but the rating hasn't been done yet.
 
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There was an interesting oddity last night. Blue Origin is doing quite a bit of engine testing on Redstone at the NASA test stands, and last night, when there were active tornado warnings, they did another test. The noise sounds suspiciously like what tornadoes sound like, so maybe testing at that particular time wasn't a good decision. I can hear them very well at my house.
 
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Storm chasers were a huge help for the storms last week in the Nebraska and Iowa. If nothing else, they had some superb video of non-rain wrapped tornadoes, plus they were able to render aid in some cases. Chaser coverage on the Fox Weather Channel was really good, better even than The Weather Channel.
I've got a large stock of medical supplies I take with me on chases just for that y'all help supply.
 

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Glad you guys are getting clicks off folks’ misery.

#shouldhavesaidthisyearsago
#giveitarest
#ifyougetblownawaydontcryhere

Don’t say you’re warning folks either, plenty of weathermen there to do that.

#isaiditmanyagreebutwontsayit
Would you rather him do travel ball videos?
 
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