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I'd like to see some of the names of folks that we didn't go after that are producing at a high level elsewhere. I just can't think of any off hand, particularly at the OL and LB although I'm certain there are some.

You also have to remember that most JUCO want to go somewhere they'll start and play 2 years...we needed another JUCO LB for sure it seems, but I can't remember a big one on the board the last 2 years we had a shot at. And I sure don't know anything about the OL guys that were in the system - seemed most of the OL we looked at were out of state anyway.
 
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I'd like to see some of the names of folks that we didn't go after that are producing at a high level elsewhere. I just can't think of any off hand, particularly at the OL and LB although I'm certain there are some.

You also have to remember that most JUCO want to go somewhere they'll start and play 2 years...we needed another JUCO LB for sure it seems, but I can't remember a big one on the board the last 2 years we had a shot at. And I sure don't know anything about the OL guys that were in the system - seemed most of the OL we looked at were out of state anyway.
 
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Yeah, but he was out of HS right? And do we think would could have beaten Bama for him?
 
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Hunt has 45 tackles, 5.5 tackles for a loss and a sack in FIU's five games this year. He would be in our two-deep at LB, and he would have crawled on his hands and knees to get here. Paul Crawford is on that team as well. The coaches seem to think pretty highly of his potential.

Dequan Menzie is a starting CB at Bama. He would be our best DB.

John Jenkins is the back up NT at Georgia. His name was called several times against us.

Dorsey is in the DE rotation at Ole Miss. He was overrated, but he would play for us.

Mullen decided not to take f'ing Kelvin Bolden because he wouldn't graduate in December. He is Southern's best WR and is a legitimate deep threat. I'm glad we aren't in dire need of one those. Southern LB Jamie Collins, who we passed on, would start at LB for us.

Southern also has a LT from ICC that we never offered. This is his second year to start for them. He would be our starting LT this year.

I have no idea if they are any good or not, but UAB has several hundred players from Mississippi JUCO's on their roster. A few of them have to be decent.

Leon Mackey is at Texas Tech, and when he is healthy (he missed time with a collapsed lung), he seems to be pretty damn good.

The list of JUCO or high school players that we passed on or failed to land is a mile long, and it is filled with the names of players who are contributing elsewhere. When D'Arthur Cowan catches passes against us a Razorback one day, just remember that he tried to commit to us and we told we wouldn't take him.

The bottom line is that our recruiting is f'ing terrible, and we are going to be in for some long years once the roster is filled with Mullen's recruits. And for the record, I don't consider the '09 class to be all Mullen's. That class was mostly due to Croom. Mullen held it together, but he didn't assemble it. When that class leaves, starting next year, we are going to be in trouble.

And while I'm at it, Mullen needs to get over the fact that not every JUCO is going to be able to graduate in December. Slay didn't get here until this summer and it showed, but he is ready to play now. He may very well be our most physically gifted CB.

If a guy can play, you sign him. Things aren't always going to work out how you wish them to, but Mullen seems determined to handicap himself in recruiting.
 
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Because we didn't recruit him very hard.

I do think it would have been tough to beat out Alabama- no doubt about that.
 
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You are correct about D'Arthur Cowan. He is awesome. He tore Madison Central a new one, and he also tore up South Panola and the legendary Tony Conner last week. And he's related to KJ Wright.

Todd Mays is a pretty good player for them as well- not sure what position he could play in college- RB?

We need to take more guys that can play as you say and less projects like Blaine Clausell.
 
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He was a developmental guy, and the coaches knew it. I actually like him. In time, he will be a solid LT. He is tall, athletic and intelligent, but he needs to gain a ton of strength. From what I have heard, he has a mean streak and works really hard.

Remember, Saulsberry, Brigone and Sherrod were all pretty horrible when they were younger. Sherrod got worked on a consistent basis his sophomore year. Ideally, you wouldn't have guys playing on the OL until their third or fourth year in the program, and you would like to be able to redshirt every OL. We have been able to redshirt the motley collection of guys we have, but we having to play them out of necessity right now.

Clausell and Day will be pretty good before they graduate, but we will have to see about the rest.
 
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For some ungodly reason he refuses to take a JUCO unless he can get out in DEC. If the guy can play sign him!! A Division 1 HC you would think would have had a plan, didnt he know that Sherrod, White, Wright, Mcpheewere eventually going to graduate?? You have a guranteed starting spot on the OL, DE,and LB'sfor a JUCO to come into, yet we lost one guy cause he couldn't get out in DEC and the other is a back up LT at ARK, and one we lost to FIU For as much as Mullen has stated we are a developmental program, name me one position that in YEAR 3 he has developed???
 
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studentdawg87 said:
Hunt has 45 tackles, 5.5 tackles for a loss and a sack in FIU's five games this year. He would be in our two-deep at LB, and he would have crawled on his hands and knees to get here. Paul Crawford is on that team as well. The coaches seem to think pretty highly of his potential.

Dequan Menzie is a starting CB at Bama. He would be our best DB.

John Jenkins is the back up NT at Georgia. His name was called several times against us.

Dorsey is in the DE rotation at Ole Miss. He was overrated, but he would play for us.

Mullen decided not to take f'ing Kelvin Bolden because he wouldn't graduate in December. He is Southern's best WR and is a legitimate deep threat. I'm glad we aren't in dire need of one those. Southern LB Jamie Collins, who we passed on, would start at LB for us.

Southern also has a LT from ICC that we never offered. This is his second year to start for them. He would be our starting LT this year.

I have no idea if they are any good or not, but UAB has several hundred players from Mississippi JUCO's on their roster. A few of them have to be decent.

Leon Mackey is at Texas Tech, and when he is healthy (he missed time with a collapsed lung), he seems to be pretty damn good.

The list of JUCO or high school players that we passed on or failed to land is a mile long, and it is filled with the names of players who are contributing elsewhere. When D'Arthur Cowan catches passes against us a Razorback one day, just remember that he tried to commit to us and we told we wouldn't take him.

The bottom line is that our recruiting is f'ing terrible, and we are going to be in for some long years once the roster is filled with Mullen's recruits. And for the record, I don't consider the '09 class to be all Mullen's. That class was mostly due to Croom. Mullen held it together, but he didn't assemble it. When that class leaves, starting next year, we are going to be in trouble.

And while I'm at it, Mullen needs to get over the fact that not every JUCO is going to be able to graduate in December. Slay didn't get here until this summer and it showed, but he is ready to play now. He may very well be our most physically gifted CB.

If a guy can play, you sign him. Things aren't always going to work out how you wish them to, but Mullen seems determined to handicap himself in recruiting.
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2 things. Croom stays andthe 2009 classloses at least Russell and Bumphis. For anyone that will argue that Russell is not contributing, you can't have it both ways. You want stars, he was a 4 star recruit. I give both Croom and Mullen credit for that2009 class.It took both of themto bring in a top 25 class according to Rival's.

Let's look, yet again at the recruiting prowess of Croom compared to Mullen.
Croom's classes
2004Rival's onlyshows the top50 for each year. Croomchose to skip recruiting. Unranked
2005 33
2006 46
2007 39
2008 44
2009combined class. 25Mullen's classes
2010 38
2011 44

Not counting 2009 for either of them, and not including Croom's first class because it was so bad it's not even ranked, let's look at what this averages out to.
Croom 40.5, Mullen 41.

You can't just say we're struggling now becauseof Mullen's classes.Once again, not counting 2009, you're asking freshmen and sophmorestowin in the SEC. Not going to happen. We need our older players tostep up.

On to the Juco's. Croomwasthe same way in that he didn't want a JUCO if they didn't graduate in December. I don't agree with either of them.

To say that Croom is a better recruiter than Mullen is wrong. Looks to melike they are both doing about the same. That is a really scary thought becauseother than ahandfulof players in each class Croom's classes were pathetic.
 
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and wedidn'trecruit him hard. He grew up in a MSU household and his sister went to State.<div>
</div><div>Long story short, they showed him the most love and really sold his parents on the program (not that is that hard to do). It's a shame we can't keep 3* recruits in state.</div>
 
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legacy MSU kids who have talent (obvious if Bama wanted him) going out of state. I'm not saying to take every legacy, but he was obviously low-lying fruit and we let him go!
 
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probably even worse than Mullen but there is no doubt he had a good class set up his last year and luckily Mullen was able to hold it together. Whether or not Croom could have kept it up from that point on is an unknown but Mullen has taken it right back to the level Croom was at before that last year. Now Mullen is light years ahead of Croom as a coach and probably maximizes physical potential much better with Balis running the S&C program but his recruiting is as bad or worse than Croom and doesn't seem to be improving that much. We HAVE to get a good share of the top rated prospects in MS to put out a top notch team because we aren't going to regularly get those type guys out of other states. If we could get recruiting up just a little I have no doubt Mullen will put a very good team on the field with a little more talent but when you only get 2 and 3 stars to start with there is a ceiling on what you can do with that.
 
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6'4", 330lb DT from my home town. I grew up with his dad. He is a freak and is killing it for the Tide. As a matter of fact the tide had three Juco lineman sign this year:<div>Quinton Dial, Aaron Douglas and Jesse. </div>
 
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something like 325 lbs and was the largest OL in all of college or PROFESSIONAL teams ... I know our LB play hindered us as usual, but after seeing that stat, I do feel a little better about the defense and it's hard to say if juco players would have made much of a difference on defense .... now the offense is a different story
 
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He told me that the reason Anthony signed with bama was that bama sent the offer letter to his house and it was the first one he received, so he committed to them. He went to school the next week and told his coach that he was committing to bama because they were the only offer he had gotten. His coach then produced the two offer letters from State and ole miss that had been sitting on his desk for a week. Anthony decided to stick with his commitment instead of going with his heart to State. That came directly from Anthony's Dad's mouth, State and ole miss sent their letters to the school and his coach sta on them.
 
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He told me that the reason Anthony signed with bama was that bama sent the offer letter to his house and it was the first one he received, so he committed to them. He went to school the next week and told his coach that he was committing to bama because they were the only offer he had gotten. His coach then produced the two offer letters from State and ole miss that had been sitting on his desk for a week. Anthony decided to stick with his commitment instead of going with his heart to State. That came directly from Anthony's Dad's mouth, State and ole miss sent their letters to the school and his coach sta on them.
 
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I kinda blame our staff for not following through on the whole deal. I'm sure the Lee coach wanted bragging rights about sending a kid to Bama. <div>Our staff warmed up to Billy a little too late in the game.<div>
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Pointing to guys that play for Bama or GA just isn't fair. Maybe if you really push you can land 1 or 2 of those guys, but we probably would have lost them the same way we might end up losing Quay and Ward - it's just tough to win against the big boys in the SEC.

I remember us being hard on Peacock but he chose ARK, it wasn't like we didn't recruit him. Bolden for USM is decent - I've seen him live a few times and he's ok, but nothing special. The LT for USM I know nothing about but he's probably not worse than Clausell, I'll give you that.

The staff was sure Mackey was going to sign with us and then I think he got cold feet about taking another math class and signed with TT. We were willing to wait for him until even summer school so I don't know why everyone is trying to say we won't take a non-Dec graduate. We'd strongly prefer it but for teh right player we'll wait. We did the same thing with Slay. There was some JUCO OT we tried hard at last year and didn't get in the end either.

As far Hunt, I did like him and I can't see him being worse than Maye so I'll call that one a miss maybe.

This year on Cowan I think it was really a numbers game, we weren't going to take many WR and we wanted Croom first and foremost and I don't think were going to take any WR until he decided. In hindsight I think it is going to be a miss we regret, but we'll see.

My overall point is that we complain about some spots, but it's not like we're overlooked a ton of talent that we had a good shot at actually signing. The state has produced very few quality OL/DL/LB over the past few years and we and OM split the ones it does product. So we have to go into other states to get leftovers.

I really think we should be recruiting GA and FL harder myself and well as East TX
 
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and having so many jr right now, wouldn't the argument against bringing in a bunch last year be getting to many jr on the roster leaving depth issues later... this year would be a great class to get some jr in here, i would think
 
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