Todd (or anyone) are high schools using the new bats also?**
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This is from an acquataince of mine that is an umpire in Mississippi and does the high schools. This is a brief discription of the bats that are legal this year.
"If the bat is a wood bat it is legal.
If the bat is non-wood and has the BBCOR mark on it, it is legal.
An aluminum bat with the BESR mark on it is legal.
A composite bat with the BESR mark on it, must be listed on the NFHS web site to be legal.
A composite bat with the BESR mark on it, not listed on the NFHS web site is illegal."
The colleges now use the BBCOR bats- the high schools in Mississippi will be required to use them by 2012.
"If the bat is a wood bat it is legal.
If the bat is non-wood and has the BBCOR mark on it, it is legal.
An aluminum bat with the BESR mark on it is legal.
A composite bat with the BESR mark on it, must be listed on the NFHS web site to be legal.
A composite bat with the BESR mark on it, not listed on the NFHS web site is illegal."
The colleges now use the BBCOR bats- the high schools in Mississippi will be required to use them by 2012.
but I love these these new bats. I really noticed an unfair advantage with the newer versions of the Stealths and other composites that would actually gain pop after some usage, which obviously violates the set limits. I played HS ball from 06-08 and began hitting balls over the fence that should've been easy flyouts, and I was not a power hitter in any sense of the word but the point being the bats were making a somewhat mockery of the game.
If it was up to me I'd ditch the aluminum bats altogether and have wooden bats starting in high school.
If it was up to me I'd ditch the aluminum bats altogether and have wooden bats starting in high school.
I agree with everything you said- I just feel like what we are going to see is more of a "true" form of baseball, the way it was meant to be played.
And I also agree about the wood bats- OK, yeah, I know about saving money, but back in the 40's when they used all wood, it didn't break the athletic dept. budget then, and it wouldn't now either.
And I also agree about the wood bats- OK, yeah, I know about saving money, but back in the 40's when they used all wood, it didn't break the athletic dept. budget then, and it wouldn't now either.
i'm not disagreeing with you Todd, but im pretty sure would cost a lot more now than it did back in to 40's, and yes I do know that today's budgets are well passed what they were in the 40's also
That depends on the school. The school I coached at, which was in a well-funded district but with a lot of poor students, would not have been able to afford wood bats. NW Rankin, on the other hand, would have no problem. Their lockers cost more than entire yearly budget of the school where I coached.Todd4State said:
when I was talking budgets. I re-read the post and saw that he said starting in high school. Comprehension fail on my part.
I'm OK with metal in high school.
But starting in college, they should use wood bats at least at the D-I level.
I'm OK with D-II, D-III and JUCO teams using metal as well.
I'm OK with metal in high school.
But starting in college, they should use wood bats at least at the D-I level.
I'm OK with D-II, D-III and JUCO teams using metal as well.
They were not around when I played and I was just wondering if there is a huge difference. How big of an advantage is it? Can it turn a non homerun hitter into a homerun threat or does it just give you a lot more forgiveness is you don't hit the ball squarely?
sure they did when they first came out in the 70's and cost not much more than a wooden bat and would last for more than a year. But the aluminum and composite bats that they are using now are costing up to $400 for a bat for a 7-8 year old to use and dont even last a year before the walls are splitting.
I mean it might cost a little more but not much. I played in a wooden bat league and we would use wood composite bats in the cages, so they never broke. We really didn't have to replace many bats. For the priceof an awesome aluminum bat, you could probably buy about four wooden ones. One player can make it through the season with a composite bat and three wooden ones. There would be a few who needed more but we're not talking about a lot of money here. The extra cost would come from players getting new bats before they were needed. It would cost more but not much more.
I used to buy a dozen wood bats every year. I think it was about $125 for a dozen Adirondacks (1970s). I played 30 or so HS games, 60 to 80 summer league games and hundreds of swings every week in practice sessions. The dozen bats lasted through every season. I started using the aluminum more in the last few two years of HS and until I found the Wilson Indestructo I would go through 3 to 6 bats each year. I think we were paying about $50 per aluminum bat. So the cost was actually pretty similar.
When I got to State we were provided a bat each. The first year I did not particularly like the Worth Bats they got and went through a few of them. (One ended up in the woods where the Palmeiro Center now sits). I found the Easton at the CWS that year. The Easton bat was much better, but I still asked for two bats each year so when one started dieing I could switch to the other. Not sure on the costs, but every position player got their own bat.
When I went to the Minor leagues, Houston allowed us to each order a dozen bats. Again they lasted me throughout the summer.
One reason for the cost increase in wood is the markedly less usage of those bats. If they were to be used more, the per unit cost would probably go down.
So basically wood bats don't break as often as you might think. If a team is supplying each player with a $250-$300 aluminum / Composite bat today they could probably provide 6 wood bats for about the same cost. If a team is providing 3 bats for all the players to share, then yes it would be much more cost effective. But even in our day the team bought those Jackie Robinson rounded out 4x4 bats and they would never break.
I have said a few times in the past that D1 should go to wood. With the limited amount of scholarships available, you can at least sell the player they are getting prepared for the next level while getting that education. I am not sure if the scouts still have that big concern of aluminum to wood transition, but it was a big deal in my day. I assume it still is because of the wood bat college leagues that they have today. This way you can play in college and get prepared for a potential MLB future and that player who went right to the Minors 3 years of wood bat exposure are not as much of an advantage.
When I got to State we were provided a bat each. The first year I did not particularly like the Worth Bats they got and went through a few of them. (One ended up in the woods where the Palmeiro Center now sits). I found the Easton at the CWS that year. The Easton bat was much better, but I still asked for two bats each year so when one started dieing I could switch to the other. Not sure on the costs, but every position player got their own bat.
When I went to the Minor leagues, Houston allowed us to each order a dozen bats. Again they lasted me throughout the summer.
One reason for the cost increase in wood is the markedly less usage of those bats. If they were to be used more, the per unit cost would probably go down.
So basically wood bats don't break as often as you might think. If a team is supplying each player with a $250-$300 aluminum / Composite bat today they could probably provide 6 wood bats for about the same cost. If a team is providing 3 bats for all the players to share, then yes it would be much more cost effective. But even in our day the team bought those Jackie Robinson rounded out 4x4 bats and they would never break.
I have said a few times in the past that D1 should go to wood. With the limited amount of scholarships available, you can at least sell the player they are getting prepared for the next level while getting that education. I am not sure if the scouts still have that big concern of aluminum to wood transition, but it was a big deal in my day. I assume it still is because of the wood bat college leagues that they have today. This way you can play in college and get prepared for a potential MLB future and that player who went right to the Minors 3 years of wood bat exposure are not as much of an advantage.