Todd4State's MSU baseball 4th of July Bonanza!

Todd4State

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Because we need it.

How I would make MSU baseball better- and lets face it there is definately room for improvement.

1. Recruit some pitching. We are doing this already. Trevor Fitts is already committed and he looks pretty good. It seems like we are recruiting Jacob Lindgren from St. Stanislaus, which to me is a risk because he was hurt at the end of the year, but I have been checking this out, and while at first I thought recruiting him was a bad idea, I have changed my stance on this. What I do know is that he will pitch next year, and there is a good chance that we can maybe get a high quality LH pitcher for cheap- in scholarship terms. If he doesn't work out, then cut him. This would be a good risk for us to take becasue when healthy, he can top out at 94, and he can throw a curve and a change-up. Will Cox is the most talked about guy in the state right now as far as recruiting. I'd like to have him as well, especially with Lindgren being a risk. Spencer Turnbull would be nice to get as well, and we are at least going after Laxer at MC. Brandon Woodruff could be a dual position guy for us as an outfielder and relief pitcher. That's basically my wish list, and if we don't get all of those guys- which we probably won't, I would be OK with an out of state pitcher of equal or greater value. We have a decent foundation with Stratton, Daryl Norris- who I think will be a good relief pitcher, Chad Girodo, who has been having a great summer, and two guys who I think will be good if healthy in CC Watson and Ben Bracewell. The fact that those guys have some injuries underscore why we need to go really hard after pitching this year.

2. Stop recruiting so many damn JUCO players. OK, this worked out great for Cohen at UK, but Mississippi JUCO is essentially 13th grade baseball without a lot of the prospects. Most of the prospects that are there are drafted a la Corey Dickerson and are gone. So, essentially a typical JUCO player is going to be a an Andy Rice type guy. There are some atypical cases which I would be OK with- a guy that is an academic casualty for example Kaleb Barlow or Chase Lewallen, or a guy that played at a tiny high school and no one knew about them- for example Roy Oswalt or Andrew Pierce. Otherwise steer clear or let them walk-on. Heck, two of our better JUCO's were walk-ons- Scott DeLoach and Grant Hogue.

3. Build a new stadium for baseball. I know that the football stadium needs to be upgraded so that we can stay in the SEC. I know that the basketball team needs their practice facility. I'm OK and understand that. And yes, I like Dudy-Noble Field and have many great memories there. But, what was once the crown jewel of baseball facilities in the SEC is now average at best. Build a new modern grandstand that has seats that go down to the foul poles. Have luxury suites that also go from foul pole to foul pole that do not leak water. And then on top of that build an upper deck that covers the lower deck for the most part providing some shade for the people in the lower deck (me). Basically I'm envisioning something very similar to Autozone Park in Memphis, with maybe more luxury suites. And the LFL is non-negotiable. It's staying. And I'd actually like to expand it. The people that have been there for years get to keep their spots, if they so choose. For the new people, I'd like to build some sort of raised section so that they could get their vehicles up there and still see the game. Kind of like a terrace. And to be clear, I don't think that building this new stadium would win us a NC, but it sure wouldn't hurt attendance and getting good players in either. I really want this for the fans and players. The clubhouses should be the best in the country for college baseball- both home and visiting teams. I still want us to have a MSU baseball museum- like Delta State has for Boo Ferris, and most MLB teams have one as well. The outside needs to be re-done, and I think it would be cool to have bricks that fans purchase and that they can put messages on, or simply their name. The concourse again, would be like Autozone with more variety in food- have chains sell stuff like Penn's catfish and chicken on a stick, Papa John's pizza, Lil Dooey's bar-b-que, The Grill could sell cheese sticks and sandwiches, Oby's could sell po-boys, and of course Bryan hot dogs- also for recruiting. Finally, put the championship banners and retired numbers on the outfield wall. We should celebrate what we have accomplished over the years and be proud of it!

4. Promote the Dugout Club. If you can't go to every game- and most people can't, but still want to support the team, the Dugout Club is a great way to do that. We should have the largest in the state in the country, and I'd like to see the school try to sell that idea to our alumni and fans. The money from that goes to help the baseball team with equipment for the field and things like that.

5. Have a pre-season series with Delta State. This could be the spring or fall. USM did this with William Carey College. I think this would be a cool thing for our fans to see the players in action, against a quality opponent that is one of my favorite teams in the state. It would also benefit the players because they would go up against some live action, and it would help the coaches evaluate the players a little bit better. The proceeds could go to a charity. It would be a neat thing for Delta State as well.

6. Do away with the lifetime contracts for season ticket holders. Another brilliant idea by LT that has helped choke out MSU baseball. Ticket exchange anyone? There are many ways that this could be worked around and that everyone could be happy for the most part.

7. Baseball uniforms! Since this is July on sixpack. I like the sleeveless white uniforms that we use now. I'd like to see us keep those and then also use the Detroit Tigers style home uniforms that we wore in the late 80's and most of the 90's. And then go to the best part of the Pat McMahon era- the MS uniforms with the pinstripes. I also like the maroon tops with the Will Clark-era Mississippi State script on them. The black tops- I'd use them for batting practice. I don't hate them, but they're not my favorite either. I love the maroon hats, and I actually am OK with the white hats. The white shoes- dislike. Go to black shoes if maroon is unavailable.

8. Do away with the Chicken Dance.

9. Bring back John Grisham. We need to repair that even if he never donates another dime to us. Also, I think it would be cool to somehow recognize "friends of MSU baseball"- I'm talking about guys like Roy Oswalt and Marcus Thames who maybe didn't go to MSU, but are State fans and include them as well.

Happy fifth of July sixpack!
 

Todd4State

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Because we need it.

How I would make MSU baseball better- and lets face it there is definately room for improvement.

1. Recruit some pitching. We are doing this already. Trevor Fitts is already committed and he looks pretty good. It seems like we are recruiting Jacob Lindgren from St. Stanislaus, which to me is a risk because he was hurt at the end of the year, but I have been checking this out, and while at first I thought recruiting him was a bad idea, I have changed my stance on this. What I do know is that he will pitch next year, and there is a good chance that we can maybe get a high quality LH pitcher for cheap- in scholarship terms. If he doesn't work out, then cut him. This would be a good risk for us to take becasue when healthy, he can top out at 94, and he can throw a curve and a change-up. Will Cox is the most talked about guy in the state right now as far as recruiting. I'd like to have him as well, especially with Lindgren being a risk. Spencer Turnbull would be nice to get as well, and we are at least going after Laxer at MC. Brandon Woodruff could be a dual position guy for us as an outfielder and relief pitcher. That's basically my wish list, and if we don't get all of those guys- which we probably won't, I would be OK with an out of state pitcher of equal or greater value. We have a decent foundation with Stratton, Daryl Norris- who I think will be a good relief pitcher, Chad Girodo, who has been having a great summer, and two guys who I think will be good if healthy in CC Watson and Ben Bracewell. The fact that those guys have some injuries underscore why we need to go really hard after pitching this year.

2. Stop recruiting so many damn JUCO players. OK, this worked out great for Cohen at UK, but Mississippi JUCO is essentially 13th grade baseball without a lot of the prospects. Most of the prospects that are there are drafted a la Corey Dickerson and are gone. So, essentially a typical JUCO player is going to be a an Andy Rice type guy. There are some atypical cases which I would be OK with- a guy that is an academic casualty for example Kaleb Barlow or Chase Lewallen, or a guy that played at a tiny high school and no one knew about them- for example Roy Oswalt or Andrew Pierce. Otherwise steer clear or let them walk-on. Heck, two of our better JUCO's were walk-ons- Scott DeLoach and Grant Hogue.

3. Build a new stadium for baseball. I know that the football stadium needs to be upgraded so that we can stay in the SEC. I know that the basketball team needs their practice facility. I'm OK and understand that. And yes, I like Dudy-Noble Field and have many great memories there. But, what was once the crown jewel of baseball facilities in the SEC is now average at best. Build a new modern grandstand that has seats that go down to the foul poles. Have luxury suites that also go from foul pole to foul pole that do not leak water. And then on top of that build an upper deck that covers the lower deck for the most part providing some shade for the people in the lower deck (me). Basically I'm envisioning something very similar to Autozone Park in Memphis, with maybe more luxury suites. And the LFL is non-negotiable. It's staying. And I'd actually like to expand it. The people that have been there for years get to keep their spots, if they so choose. For the new people, I'd like to build some sort of raised section so that they could get their vehicles up there and still see the game. Kind of like a terrace. And to be clear, I don't think that building this new stadium would win us a NC, but it sure wouldn't hurt attendance and getting good players in either. I really want this for the fans and players. The clubhouses should be the best in the country for college baseball- both home and visiting teams. I still want us to have a MSU baseball museum- like Delta State has for Boo Ferris, and most MLB teams have one as well. The outside needs to be re-done, and I think it would be cool to have bricks that fans purchase and that they can put messages on, or simply their name. The concourse again, would be like Autozone with more variety in food- have chains sell stuff like Penn's catfish and chicken on a stick, Papa John's pizza, Lil Dooey's bar-b-que, The Grill could sell cheese sticks and sandwiches, Oby's could sell po-boys, and of course Bryan hot dogs- also for recruiting. Finally, put the championship banners and retired numbers on the outfield wall. We should celebrate what we have accomplished over the years and be proud of it!

4. Promote the Dugout Club. If you can't go to every game- and most people can't, but still want to support the team, the Dugout Club is a great way to do that. We should have the largest in the state in the country, and I'd like to see the school try to sell that idea to our alumni and fans. The money from that goes to help the baseball team with equipment for the field and things like that.

5. Have a pre-season series with Delta State. This could be the spring or fall. USM did this with William Carey College. I think this would be a cool thing for our fans to see the players in action, against a quality opponent that is one of my favorite teams in the state. It would also benefit the players because they would go up against some live action, and it would help the coaches evaluate the players a little bit better. The proceeds could go to a charity. It would be a neat thing for Delta State as well.

6. Do away with the lifetime contracts for season ticket holders. Another brilliant idea by LT that has helped choke out MSU baseball. Ticket exchange anyone? There are many ways that this could be worked around and that everyone could be happy for the most part.

7. Baseball uniforms! Since this is July on sixpack. I like the sleeveless white uniforms that we use now. I'd like to see us keep those and then also use the Detroit Tigers style home uniforms that we wore in the late 80's and most of the 90's. And then go to the best part of the Pat McMahon era- the MS uniforms with the pinstripes. I also like the maroon tops with the Will Clark-era Mississippi State script on them. The black tops- I'd use them for batting practice. I don't hate them, but they're not my favorite either. I love the maroon hats, and I actually am OK with the white hats. The white shoes- dislike. Go to black shoes if maroon is unavailable.

8. Do away with the Chicken Dance.

9. Bring back John Grisham. We need to repair that even if he never donates another dime to us. Also, I think it would be cool to somehow recognize "friends of MSU baseball"- I'm talking about guys like Roy Oswalt and Marcus Thames who maybe didn't go to MSU, but are State fans and include them as well.

Happy fifth of July sixpack!
 

State82

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That Charlie Foxtrot of a disaster is one of the dumbest things ever allowed in MSU history. Its mind numbing what he could have done for us had he been 100% on board over the years. Unbelievable. No doubt, something has got to be done with DNF, but, unfortunately, I think it is way down the road. I just don't see anything transpiring on that front any time soon.
 

Todd4State

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State82 said:
That Charlie Foxtrot of a disaster is one of the dumbest things ever allowed in MSU history. Its mind numbing what he could have done for us had he been 100% on board over the years. Unbelievable. No doubt, something has got to be done with DNF, but, unfortunately, I think it is way down the road. I just don't see anything transpiring on that front any time soon.



All he had to do was let him walk-on.

If there were roster limits, it would have made more sense, but even then, I'm sure we could have found a place for his son, even if it was as a late inning pinch runner.

We have not treated our legacies very well as far as baseball. I think that is changing, and CT Bradford is a good sign of that. It's absolutely frustrating to watch our team struggle and watch guys like Louis Coleman, Logan Power, and Bryce Brentz help our copetitiors win.

I will say that because of the Grisham situation, I am a closet Virginia baseball fan. And that was before the Oxford SR last year.
 

57stratdawg

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I think an open-air concourse, similar to Autozone in Memphis, would be great.
 

Paper Dog

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Since they count toward your 56 total

Southern Miss wound up 32-21 and really could have used three more wins in the spring for an at-large regional berth...fortunately for the Eagles, they won C-USA and got the automatic invite

However, had they missed the NCAAT by one game, they might re-think playing in the fall like that
 
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Dollabillz

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As for the stadium, we have something that's uniquely ours. And just because we've fallen back to middle of the SEC as far as niceness of the park, ****, that's still like Top 10 in the effing country. And our baseball atmosphere, when we're winning, is still the best in the country, hands down. I said HANDS DOWN all you rebels that might want to chime in. Save your keyboard the wear and tear.

I don't think baseball works the same as football and basketball. You only have certain fans who like to come. Don't screw with it.
 

goldenwavedawg

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Todd4State said:
Because we need it.


6. Do away with the lifetime contracts for season ticket holders. Another brilliant idea by LT that has helped choke out MSU baseball. Ticket exchange anyone? There are many ways that this could be worked around and that everyone could be happy for the most part.


This one is going to be tough. I fully agree that LT put in place a less than perfect plan in retrospect. However, in all fairness, looking back selling seats leading to guaranteed sold out college baseball stadium was probably pretty remarkable at the time. The seat license world has come a long way in 25 years. There art of this will be managing the delicate balance between tapping new revenue options and not alienating those fans that made a "deal" with the school and in good faith have lived up to their end of the bargain.
 

SoxFan343

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It would be pushing $100 million now. Then again, they wouldn't be building in an urban environment so that would save some cost.
 
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Dollabillz

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I'm not sure that's true, but I've heard it here alot. Let's say that it is in fact true. You'd have a bunch of empty seats no matter what. Seems like I'd leave the seating the way it is, and let the baseball fans come and amp up attendance, instead of letting rich people buy the seats, having the grand stand empty, and all the fans in the bleachers and outfield.
 

57stratdawg

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barely break even. A few years back, MSU might have made a little bit of money, but I'd be shocked if we do today. In comparison to football and baseball, it's essentially 0.

And the 80 million thing is bogus, because it's in downtown Memphis. We could build an unbelievable new stadium for about 40 million, but I dont think thats in the cards anytime soon.
 

Todd4State

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Dollabillz said:
As for the stadium, we have something that's uniquely ours. And just because we've fallen back to middle of the SEC as far as niceness of the park, ****, that's still like Top 10 in the effing country. And our baseball atmosphere, when we're winning, is still the best in the country, hands down. I said HANDS DOWN all you rebels that might want to chime in. Save your keyboard the wear and tear.

I don't think baseball works the same as football and basketball. You only have certain fans who like to come. Don't screw with it.


Those people are going to come no matter if we used Starkville High School's Field. Our atmosphere will be good unless we end the LFL, which ain't happening.

The thing is for MSU baseball to continue to build upon itself, you have to not only keep what you have, you have to add onto that because those people will pass in time- not to be morbid, but that's the facts. Winning is a lot of attracting people. No doubt about it. What we have to do is make sure that we build a new generation of MSU fans in baseball, and the best way to do that is to get them to the park.

But a new stadium also attracts people as well. They go to see the new field, and then they hopefully have a good experience, and then hopefully keep coming back.

I think a new stadium shows that we are making every effort to be first class. It's not about recruiting- although it doesn't hurt. When you have something to be proud of, and something that says "We're the best" and you can quantify it, it makes people proud and want to be a part of it.

See, to me thats been part of the problem the last ten years. We were satisfied with what we had, and we stood pat assuming that it would stay "good enough". What happened is we declined and others rose up, and passed us.

And yes, LSU, South Carolina, and Ole Miss have won with less as far as facilities, but as they built their programs, the facilities followed.
 

Todd4State

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SoxFan343 said:
It would be pushing $100 million now. Then again, they wouldn't be building in an urban environment so that would save some cost.


that MSU could save some money- like the outfield, and the playing surface. It would still be astronomical. South Carolina's Field cost 35 million or so. This surprised me, but LSU's, which looks very similar to what I want at MSU cost 25 million. I'm not sure why their field cost less.

So, if MSU invested at least 40 million, we should be able to build something very good as well.

Also, Autozone seats 14,000 people and change. I don't know if that includes the Bluff or not. Dudy-Noble can seat 10,000- the grandstand seats 7,000, and the bleachers are listed and 1500 apiece on wikipedia. We've gotten 14,000 to Dudy-Noble before, and routinely have at least one crowd a year of at least 10,000. So, MSU could have 2,000 seats less than Autozone, which would bring the seating capacity to 12,000 not including the LFL. Cutting out those 2,000 seats would save some money for MSU as well.
 

catvet

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but it isn't aging well. Most people say our park is in the middle of the SEC pack now and on a radio broadcat during Cohen's first season, Jim Ellis-during a rain delay- said we were slipping into the bottom half of the league. The press box is very dated, the press box and luxury boxes leak and collect water in rain storms and the chair backs have to be replaced by those at DWS when they break. I heard AD Byrne say last year that to fix the stadium up right would take between $10-20 million. If we can raise the funds, we should replace the stadium with a new one. This comes from a traditionalist who was at DN during the Clark/Palmerio/Burke years and watched the games in our glory days. Byrne also mentioned that DWS and DN could be done at approximately the same time: don't know what Stricklin's ideas are, but now is the time to do it. There will never be a better time as far as construction costs due to the lingering recession to do both. For $125 million, we can redo both facilities and make them a point of pride.

I 100% agree with as many as can joining the Dugout Club. For $50 you can really help out the team.
 
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Dollabillz

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we should worry about what's ON the field before we worry about what's around it. I think our facilities are WAY more than enough to warrant a winner. Does DNF maybe need a facelift and/or expansion? Sure. But I've been to Ole Miss's and Arkansas' fields recently, they really aren't as glorious as I've heard. What we have is plenty good for where we are as a program. I'm with you guys on everything else baseball related.

I like what Cohen's done with the banners and all - embrace tradition. I think we should put the signs back out on the outfield. I also wish we hadn't cut the trees down in right field, but I guess that can't be undone.
 

RonnyAtmosphere

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..."build a new stadium."


There are apparently two Americas: The America that is suffering 10% unemployment, massive budget shortfalls for state governments, lay-offs all over the country & a large swath of the populace depending on unemployment benefits to live.

Then there is the America that is always wealthy enough to build a brand new stadium every time the favorite sports team begins to go down the *******.


I think one of these Americas needs to pull its head out of its ***.
 

catvet

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but a very nice upgrade with fixing the current problems are alright with me as well. As far as effects of the recession go, economies will always be in a growth/decline cycle: we can't be dependant on the area of the growth/decline phase to upgrade facilities. As far as the product on the field, it needs major improvement, but when you recruit the Mississippi POY, and the Alabama/Florida Gatoraid POYs, that is a major start. Recruiting is the only way to fix our problems, and Cohen is getting that done, though not soon enough for most of us.
 

Todd4State

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that's why I mentioned recruiting in my first point.

I'm not saying that we should build a new stadium over the summer and fall. I am saying that we should start to think about improving and building a new stadium for the future.

If it's going to cost 20 million dollars to fix Dudy-Noble, that's about the cost of LSU's brand new one (25 million).
 

Agentdog

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money. College football. What will make it better? Hmmmmmm, make a big conference of only the big schools. Why is that better? It forces out the smaller schools, will be the end of some traditional rivalries, force the fan to pay more for tickets, travel farther, and ruin campus atmosphere with kickoffs at all hours of the day and night. So, why is that better? OH! More money!

Hey, lets close down all our factories here in the U.S. and send them to other countries. Why is that better? OH! More money on the bottom line! ....and so on and so on.
 

Agentdog

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There is really only one. Recruiting better talent. Just like any sport at State, the biggest obstacle is the location of the school. Why would a kid from FL come to MSU with offers from every school in between MS and FL? He is not. Cohen and staff will just have to evaluate and search for the players that are SEC calibur that fall through the cracks. Which baseball is the sport that is mostly likely to happen given the scholarship limits. So, there is hope for State baseball. However, it will take a coach busting *** and being helluva salesman in recruiting and getting lucky on a few players. It is that simple.

Yeah, we desperately need to upgrade DNF. But that is only for the University's and fan's pleasure. Gone are the days of saying we have the biggest/nicest stadium with big crowds. Therefore, we win.
 

Todd4State

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Agentdog said:
There is really only one. Recruiting better talent. Just like any sport at State, the biggest obstacle is the location of the school. Why would a kid from FL come to MSU with offers from every school in between MS and FL? He is not. Cohen and staff will just have to evaluate and search for the players that are SEC calibur that fall through the cracks. Which baseball is the sport that is mostly likely to happen given the scholarship limits. So, there is hope for State baseball. However, it will take a coach busting *** and being helluva salesman in recruiting and getting lucky on a few players. It is that simple.



Yeah, we desperately need to upgrade DNF. But that is only for the University's and fan's pleasure. Gone are the days of saying we have the biggest/nicest stadium with big crowds. Therefore, we win.


and Cohen is doing a good job of this as far as selling MSU. We really need to recruit Mississippi well because there is some good talent here, and there is some talent that wants to go to MSU. I think that is one of the biggest mistakes of the past staff was neglecting the talent in the state for whatever reason- Stephen Head is the posterboy for this.

And if you notice, a lot of our out of state players are guys that are MSU fans- including CT Bradford, who also was the Florida player of the Year, and some others include Cody Abraham from Texas, Garrett Pitts from Mobile, Alabama, and Adam Frazier from Georgia. We have to identify the out of state players that want to play for MSU that have ties to us and get them on the team. Yet another area where the previous staff failed.

When you combine the Mississippi kids with the kids that "want to be at MSU" and then you throw in a Daryl Norris, you end up with a pretty good class.

That said, this is where our "tradition" and the "atmosphere" are supposed to come in. That is what we have to sell the out of state guys on that have no ties to MSU, and even some of the Mississippi kids to an extent. Under the previous staff, it was almost like we were embarassed to sell that. That's why you build tradition- so that you can recruit better players. There are plenty of players that want to play in front of big crowds, and want to go somewhere that college baseball matters. And on top of that, we play in the best league in America as far as college baseball is concerned.

Are we going to get every top prospect in America? No, but we do have some things to sell and maybe get some of them.