Yes, to all of that and when do we stop asking for "more" to pay for all of this?
I mean if 65% (more than half of your earnings) isn't enough, what is?
All of it?
Then what?
Told you who was next.......
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Yes, to all of that and when do we stop asking for "more" to pay for all of this?
I mean if 65% (more than half of your earnings) isn't enough, what is?
All of it?
Then what?
Yes, when I was stupid out of my mind wasted and even the bartender with 4 eyes looked pretty good.
Again, an isolated incident in history. The ideals weren't always applied appropriately. Core beliefs remained the same throughout.
Well boomer I'll answer that question from a book you hate to have quoted...but the Bible says you either love your money or God, but you can't love both. This is why we tithe, and why we honor Almighty God with the fruits of our Labor f-r-e-e-l-y given to those in need out of our obligations to Godly compassion we are inspired to follow by the example of Christ.
Funny thing about him is he never demanded a dime. He said render unto Ceasar what was his, and to God what was his. He didn't preach confiscatory conscription of Faith or wealth.
I'd give you the exact quote but I know you'll just dismiss it as "moral intrusion" into your otherwise al-a-carte menu.
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Big difference. I have done that, it's true. I've never invited one of those home. It was in response to the, "do you want to come back to my place"? Or, if I did initiate it, it was, "do you want to go out to the parking lot real quick"?
OK then boomer my Man so let's say we have two "inner voices" talking to us about our own versions of morality.
Let's say mine says all 'White people are evil' (Keith Ellison believes this)
Yours says all 'Christians are stupid' (you believe this)
Who wins?
Which "inner voice" should we listen to boomer?
Or is it such in your "moral fabric of humanity" that we should easily accept both as legitimate moral frameworks under which to carry out our daily routines?
I understand what you're saying ... but the variation in application of those beliefs does reflect a variation in the moral code of the people practicing the religion. Even if the words in the book have never changed. The book is just a book, it's the people that make the religion and it's the action of those people that define the overall moral code being followed by the religion.
"Your actions speak so loudly that I can't hear a word you say"
Look at the "moral code" between southern baptists, methodists and catholics. All tolerate some actions while being intolerant of others, while practicing the same overarching religion of "Christianity"
Which ones in your understanding have changed boomer?
how? ...I mean like before Christians morally believed "X" and now they believe "Y"...reference the Bible too if you don't mind so I can see how they changed Scripture (which is where most Christians draw their morality)
80% worthless bs. 20% that might have been worth reading, I forgot already due to the overwealming amount of crap.
There wasnt slavery in the Bible? But the Bible always condemned slavery as a sin though right?
I wonder if you filter everything you read the way you filter my posts to you. It would make a lot of what you say make sense.
I'm not sure i believe the story. If I'm famous, I'm not even going to attempt at laying that down. I've went home with better at closing time.
Nice rack.
Yes to both boom.
There was slavery in the Bible boomer. Who was "enslaved"?
Who did the "enslavement"? boom?
Who ended it, much to the displeasure and resistance of the enslavers boomer?
If it was a Sin (it was) what was the "moral fabric of society" then that would allow such a thing, and what "moral fabric of society" ended it boomer?
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Actually boomer, I was just looking for your "inner voice" or "fabric of society" morals on nearly 3/4s of my income being removed from my control before I even get to spend a penny of it?
Morally, that's outrageous to me and I can't imagine anyone sees it differently. I certainly don't see anyone marching to have anymore taken from them (except if you're on the Left and resent anyone else who makes more than you do)
I sort of figured the rest was beyond your ability to properly organize because it's all over the place (but it's everything you've argued at one time or another)
So I guess you see our government as a type of Nazi financial SS squad that, without any representation from you at all, makes the choice to figuratively kick in your financial door and take whatever they want?
Really, all I can say is vote. Wait.....isn't your boy in office? And doesn't your political flag reign over the majority of Congress? Well then, everything should be ok next year then, with the moral Christian Right in charge.
Since Christian doctorine is so concrete and infallible, and those living by the Christian objective moral code make no mistakes or sins. We should all be in the good soon. Well unless those secular heathen liberals and democrats act like the Constitution was written for them as well.
We all are my friend, we all are.
The kick in the head is both of them are nearly insolvent! You'd think that should be plenty of money to run both programs, but alas it isn't.
Go figure?
This seems like splitting hairs a little ... invited her to the hotel vs. invited her to his hotel room ... although it could be a significant distinction if the invitation was to the restaurant at the hotel.
Either way, it doesn't much move my givashitometer ... to me it's between him and his wife and the woman. Unless of course, her refusal impacted her career with the network.
Seems like an overall culture at that network that doesn't reflect what they claim to defend on air.
Your description of confiscatory taxation is better than mine boomer but I actually like yours better! Nice job.
Last I checked boomer, if I don't pay I go to jail (or they take from me through garnishments first) They certainly aren't "asking" for my "contributions" my friend.
I do boom. Against the Left who claims I'm not paying my "fair share".
Even Christian morality can't force change overnight boomer, folks have to first see what's wrong, then agree on how to fix it. Show me how to make THAT happen overnight?
Boomer if you understand nothing else about Christianity, understand that Christians DO NOT believe they are without Sin. In fact that is the first thing they recognize before becoming Christians. You on the Left don't even think there is such a thing! How can you blame Christians for 1st realizing it, then make jokes about us pretending as if we don't have any?
It was boomer, the only problem is most folks on the Left are constantly trying to get around it or at least they act as if it shouldn't be there. Especially the parts limiting Leviathan...like those taxes.
The Left can't get enough of somebody else's money, and they sure don't want any Constitutional restrictions on spending it.
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You are either lying or just plan wrong. Your FICA tax rate is 7.65% FICA includes SS and Medicare.
Also - in what fresh hell of a state are you paying a 16% income tax rate? Move the f out of that place.
Employers pay a portion of what I'm counting Coop, Social Security and Medicare are not both paid by employers. My Georgia tax rate was 16% based on my income, I got some credits but that was my effective after tax rate. I also live in Gwinnett county where we have BOTH a 1% added penny sales tax, AND a county sales tax of 6%. They're reaming us here.
It was worse in California where I moved here from, and even worse in New York State where I lived before California!
Guess who runs both of those states Coop?
You need a better accountant if your effective tax rate is 16% in Georgia. In fact, you may want to call the authorities on them, because I'm pretty sure they are stealing from you. The highest individual income tax rate for Georgia last year was 6%.
And again, your first post had FICA at 15.6% (it's 7.65) and Medicare at 7.5% (it's 1.45 and already part of FICA). Your post was inaccurate. Paying 45-50% in taxes is disturbing enough, don't lie to make it seem worse. Argue from the side of true facts.
You said Christians don't think they have Sin, I've explained to you it's the first thing they realize about themselves before they accept Christ and become Christians.
You don't believe there is such a thing so how would you even know it if you saw it boomer?
Yet you said it.
You confused?
I am.
Your Georgia rates are incorrect. (not sure what you googled to get that info) but give me your e-mail and I'll happily attach a copy my most recent Georgia tax return to show you what my effective tax rate was and what I paid.
As for SS and Medicare I said employers pay half of that 7.5%. We pay the other half. The total is somewhere in the 15.6 % range, that too depends on your income level and after a certain amount of income you have to pay all of it.
Medicare taxes as far as I know are not included in that total (it's why they list it as a separate line item deduction on the withholding section of your pay stub)..but I'll admit my numbers on that may be slightly off.
The bottom line is Coop, fully 3/4s or more of my income is removed from me before I get to decide how to spend the rest.
Don't forget I'm also paying the taxes of the manufacturers and producers of the products or services I purchase with after taxed dollars.
Airline tickets, food, cars, clothing, utility bills, sports tickets...all of that gets taxed too and I pay all of those taxes with after tax dollars!
I think we are taxed too much, where am I wrong?
I prepare Georgia income taxes. You are being robbed. The maximum income tax rate for individuals is 6% Turn your preparer in immediately.
Now we are up to 3/4s of your income being taxed before you spend it. lol. I tried. Good luck to you.
I don't know what to tell you Cooper. When I calculate what I paid on my taxable income from my Georgia 2016 return that total is 16% of what I earned. Now you're talking to me about the Georgia income tax tables being at only a 6% top rate, but the amount of tax anyone pays on that is going to vary from individual to individual.
I posted what I paid, what my taxes were. Someone who files a Federal return at the top 39.6% rate doesn't pay only 39.6% of their income to Uncle Sam in taxes.
I'm glad you don't do my taxes, I'm paying enough and you apparently think I didn't pay enough, or at least my particular tax bite was not all that bad right Coop?
OK, I'll send you my tax bill next year and you can pay it for me since I'm getting such a break. That be alright with you?
You have a gift of changing the conversation and muddling ******** together. I was trying to help you out, but you don't want it. Keep paying an effective tax rate of 16% to Georgia lol.
And then this was my favorite: "Someone who files a Federal return at the top 39.6% rate doesn't pay only 39.6% of their income to Uncle Sam in taxes." Thanks for that.
I'll bet you your tax rate Coop was not the effective percentage of your income that was paid on your taxes.
Rates are what are used to calculate what you owe. The actual percentage of that amount relative to your income is not going to be the same.
Trump paid a tax rate of 39.6% on those '95 returns, but that 35 million dollar tax bite he ponied up was a different percentage of his actual total income for that year.
Rates and effective percentages of taxable incomes are two different things my friend.
The Left loves to argue that tax rates are low enough that we all can afford to send in more, they never look at the actual percentages of your total taxable income those higher tax rates consume.
I was referring to your demeaning of secular standards of morality having such horrible results in society. People who do not have a Christian moral standard are always changing their ideas of morality and so therefore do not hold to any moral standard at all, because it's not objectively derived from the Bible?
But as you know, People living by that Christian moral code....break it all the time. So, just because someone Believes in a moral code, if they don't actually adhere to it what good does that moral code actually do for society? Yet a secular approach to morality, that aims to draw a moral outline that can reach across religious doctorine and also apply to people in society that do not say they adhere to a religious moral code, can't possibly prevent people from acting immorally or even understanding what an immoral act is?
The only way that makes any sense at all, is if you accept that establishing a Christian moral code prevents most in society from acting in contrast to that code. Not only is that not true (which I sarcastically mocked in your example), but Christian moral code HAS changed through time (although I would be willing to concede that the basic core is consistent).
Thinking that secular members of society have no idea or sense of morality is just ridiculous. As ridiculous as someone saying that Christians are never acting immorally.....get the sarcasm?
Thank you making my argument for me. It's what I've been trying to get you to see all along boom.
Either you are much less intelligent than I have you credit for, or you're just getting better and better at being a worthless troll.
So then how on Earth can you accuse Christians of not thinking they have Sin? You don't even know what it is, much less admit to such a thing but you accuse them of breaking their own definitions of it?
So how dizzy are you spinning around chasing this argument trying to justify all nine sides of it boomer?
I quote what you say, and then you say I'm a troll?
OK.
Then don't say what you said and I won't "troll" you.