People are forgetting that without Tommy's mobility, we probably give up 10 sacks a game. It seems like he has to run for his life on most of our passing plays. I hope O'Brien is mobile enough to escape pressure.
Tommy Armstrong will not be with the team next year.
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I think we need tommie till the new qb's get their training wheels off
and who knows, he might acctually get better over the off season and throw less picks? he got better from last season to this year..
A competent qb that can read a defense at all won't hold the ball and run around all day before chucking the ball 40 yards down field. You can see guys undeneath all year long wide open and TA just doesn't see it. Many of the sacks are on him period.
We should be solid enough in all areas next year to have a standard drop back quarterback. The mid range recievers have been open all year. Tommy just can't see them develop during the route and he throws a punt up for grabs deep.
They need to find another QB, maybe a JUCO guy, if anything to give us some decent depth. I'm thinking it will be POB to start, but if for some reason he isn't ready, you still need a good backup, you need depth. Maybe AJ Bush fits that mold, maybe not. You just can't sit through another season of TA.
I think you have to pull some scholarships. I'd keep Fyfe & Darlington around as practice players, but pull their scholarships. Tommy, you keep on scholarship, but he becomes a practice player as well.
So your next gen is POB, AJ Bush, & someone else
As for the RB's, Cross graduates and Taylor should move on. Wilbon maybe should move on as well. Not sure what the story is with him. Newby is too indecisive for me to want to play him, but maybe he eventually gets it together so you keep him around, but you have to look at Devine Ozigbo as being your featured back next year.
The personnel of the team has to change for next year to those players that fit the system, even if they are freshman.
Martinez is literally 3 times the QB TA is. It isn't even close, people need to stop using the two names in the same sentence, unless they are going to say "TM is literally 3 times the QB TA is" because it isn't even close. Anyone who says they would still take TA over TM is not interested in winning football games.
Tommy started most of the games as a redshirt freshman and was almost the same player he is today. POB will be here January to participate in Spring drills. It doesn't seem that far fetuched to think he will play as a freshman. Of course the unknown is whether he is as good as we hope he is. His team dominated competition most of the year but had some clunkers the last month.
I just don't know how martinez is the #1 passer all time at NU and armstrong is #2...thats either downright disturbing, or shows how much Bob D and DR T thought about the pass.
I wasn't old enough to remember stats from farragamo and hum, (that was jr. high years with other things to focus on) but they must of had short carriers or handed the ball off a lot.
I wasn't old enough to remember stats from farragamo and hum, (that was jr. high years with other things to focus on) but they must of had short carriers or handed the ball off a lot.
I go back to what Brain Kelly was going through with Everett Golson:
"We've been working with him. I mean, I don't know," Kelly said. "Sooner or later he's got to take it on himself to take care of the football. I don't know what else to do. We're at that point now where it hurt us in the game, obviously, and he knows it."
Kelly is smart enough to have other options at the QB position so he doesn't have to put up with the BS
"We've been working with him. I mean, I don't know," Kelly said. "Sooner or later he's got to take it on himself to take care of the football. I don't know what else to do. We're at that point now where it hurt us in the game, obviously, and he knows it."
Kelly is smart enough to have other options at the QB position so he doesn't have to put up with the BS
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No way he transfers he will be a senior only has 1 year left. Don't ncaa rules say you have to sit out 1 year? If so he would never see the field again because he would be graduated.
I do agree that Riley will not survive here with another losing season next year. With TA at qb that is looking like the only outcome. He just makes to many mistakes for Neb to be a good team. He lost at least a few games for us this year. I am thinking, if MR is smart, will either bring in a JUCO QB or have O'brien ready by fall. If TA is qb next year don't expect different results.
Excellent example. We have no options right now.
IF TA doesn't want to listen to his coach and his thoughts then as others have said about players who are out they need to go. Maybe Ta shouldn't put himself above the team.
After the first couple of games, I thought TA was really going to develop this year. He had good form, was going through progressions, throwing the shorter balls much better. Around game 4 or 5, he was still showing better form most of the time, but was occasionally reverting to back foot throws. Yesterday, he was totally back to his old self. I don't know if it was a falling out with the coaches, not enough correction on technique, or something else, but he looked well coached in Game 1 and like an athletically gifted player in dire need of a QB coach in Game 12.
You should find a QB like Beathard. He was off his game yesterday, probably because of the cold and wind, but even still didn't do anything to lose the game. Only 3 INT's on the entire year, and also mobile. If you can find the right disciplined QB, a real leader for the team, Nebraska is a totally different team.
If we swap QBs yesterday we win. That was the difference.
Sweet Jesus, enough with the incoming freshman QB. He is more likely to flame out then even be a serviceable college QB. I hope he is our answer in a couple of years at the position, but to expect him to be good enough to replace a senior with experience in the system is absurd. We all agree that Tommy is an absolute circus at times with his decision making, but he will be our best option, by a large margin, going into next season.
Regarding Feraggamo and Humm, they each only played three seasons as freshmen didn't play on the varsity in their freshman year. NU had a JV team at the time, not too sure if either of them played on the JV squad though.
The regression from the beginning of the year to now was definitely startling.
If we get the pick and the fumble CJ we might be saying their QB cost them the game.
Our QB is too short to be throwing from the pocket when he is behind guys taller than him.
If you watch the angles, no way from his line of vision could he see the linebacker drop on the last INT.
He SUCKED yesterday but in almost all of our losses. He was the one to put us in the lead to win the game. Then the defense would give up the drive at the end of the game or a horrible coaching decision ala last night. Kick the field goal, because we got the ball back twice after that. But the coach calls a bomb on 4th and 1 at Nebraska. He should be fired for that call.
Hell he drives us 75 yards down the field, and the defense gives up a 68 yard run, Bo Pelini style.
Having said that, there is nothing wrong with throwing the ball out of bounds. It's like his brain doesn't have that thought pattern. He deserves blame tonight, but he deserves credit for the good he did all season. Go back and look. Who was uo and who led us in those drives to take the lead late in the 4th qtr. Defense has to do it's job too.
Oh and Michigan St relied on the old school running game to beat OSU in their house. Passing football doesn't win anything and you guys are being disingenous trying to pretend if it does.
Connor Cook is a 57% passer. He is all of sudden going to jump up to a 65% in the NFL. Hilarious.
Tommy has the most passing TDs in the Big 10. A better game today, and he was probably the Big 10 offensive player of the year. This was make or break for that award.
Our QB is too short to be throwing from the pocket when he is behind guys taller than him.
If you watch the angles, no way from his line of vision could he see the linebacker drop on the last INT.
He SUCKED yesterday but in almost all of our losses. He was the one to put us in the lead to win the game. Then the defense would give up the drive at the end of the game or a horrible coaching decision ala last night. Kick the field goal, because we got the ball back twice after that. But the coach calls a bomb on 4th and 1 at Nebraska. He should be fired for that call.
Hell he drives us 75 yards down the field, and the defense gives up a 68 yard run, Bo Pelini style.
Having said that, there is nothing wrong with throwing the ball out of bounds. It's like his brain doesn't have that thought pattern. He deserves blame tonight, but he deserves credit for the good he did all season. Go back and look. Who was uo and who led us in those drives to take the lead late in the 4th qtr. Defense has to do it's job too.
Oh and Michigan St relied on the old school running game to beat OSU in their house. Passing football doesn't win anything and you guys are being disingenous trying to pretend if it does.
Connor Cook is a 57% passer. He is all of sudden going to jump up to a 65% in the NFL. Hilarious.
Tommy has the most passing TDs in the Big 10. A better game today, and he was probably the Big 10 offensive player of the year. This was make or break for that award.
TA had a great first quarter to start the season against BYU. As in, one, great quarter. Then he did what he does best from the second quarter going forward in that game. TA was never very good and for the life of me why do people insist on seeing something that isn't there? TA is like that stock that goes from $50-$5 and some dork on the MB is still talking about all the great stuff said company still has going for it. TA was always horrible, always. Watching him play yesterday was like watching him play 18 games ago, he's the exact same QB, so when exactly was he any good? I keep reading about it, I just never saw it. What I did see was some stats people tried posting to prove their case, like I really need to study a stat sheet to see if a QB is any good. Watch the freaking games, going back to his first start last year, he has been the same guy since forever. It's OK, we all get it wrong sometimes. I thought Ryan Leaf was going to be a better pro than Peyton Manning. We all goof, it happens, but there's no need to hang onto something that was never there.
I agree with TA being unfixable. By now, he is what he is. His biggest downfall is getting rattled and making terrible decisions under pressure. What drives me wild - he will constantly forget about his safe, short throws to a back or TE as a check down and throw the ball 50 yds downfield, hoping for a miracle.
true freshman qb's, albeit one's with great seasons...
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/156583514/best-true-freshman-quarterback-seasons
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/156583514/best-true-freshman-quarterback-seasons
They both made terrible decisions in the passing game. They both have erratic arms. The difference is that TM could take it to the house with his legs. TA isn't that explosive. It's like saying I'll take the electric chair over lethal injection. What's it matter. You're still dead.
Except for the whole "First team all BIG" thing for Martinez. Other than that, they are obviously the same.......
And he won 9 games right? Neither guy is going to win the B1G. Too many mental mistakes.Except for the whole "First team all BIG" thing for Martinez. Other than that, they are obviously the same.......
We are in almost the same spot we were in 2004. Callahan was running his offense with Joe Daily at QB - a match made in the pits of hell. Callahan got Zach Taylor out of the JUCO ranks the next season and had two pretty good years, including a trip to the CCG. Taylor was just holding down the fort until Harrison Beck turned into an all-conference QB. The 2nd part didn't work out, but at least the plan made sense.
Tommy Armstrong is what he is. He's not likely to made a quantum leap in his final season. He simply isn't capable of being successful running this offense. It's troubling that apparently none of the other QBs on the roster are even close to challenging Armstrong (so there is something that can still be attributed to Pelini).
If Armstrong is the QB next year, you can expect another 5 win season.
Tommy Armstrong is what he is. He's not likely to made a quantum leap in his final season. He simply isn't capable of being successful running this offense. It's troubling that apparently none of the other QBs on the roster are even close to challenging Armstrong (so there is something that can still be attributed to Pelini).
If Armstrong is the QB next year, you can expect another 5 win season.
Martinez started in conference title games 2 out of the 3 years that he was behind center. Would've been nice to see what he could've done with a healthy senior season. Dude was fun to watch when healthy.
Dear rrt: I'm curious, which you think is a better choice for a QB (pretty much any position, really):
Option #1, a talented, experienced leader who doesn't listen to his coaches.
OR
Option #2, a young, hungry, less athletic but COACHABLE player.
TYIA
You do not know to what extent TA may or may not listen to his coaches. This is interweb nonsense.
Tommy was backpedaling and spinning out of imaginary pressure all game .... there would be no one near him and he would pirouette and backtrack another ten yards and then chuck it down field .. his play was ridiculous yesterday
He is either not listening to the coaches, or he's even worse than we all thought. So which is it? There isn't a good answer between the two here, it's one or the other and both add up to somebody who can't play QB at the D1 level. Sweet.
Good riddance to you! I'm glad you won't be watching!
Nice reply, Tex, you might as well say good riddance to the whole next generation of fans also. No teenager wants to be associated with a .500 program. Hope you're not in upper management or marketing for your company's sake.
Well, this could also add up to a lack of leadership on the part of the coaching staff, but you're right, no good answer here. Other than trying something different: new coach or new QB.
I agree with this 100%. I love watching CJ play. Makes good decisions and scrambles when he needs to. One thing he does that Tommy could learn from is how he steps UP int the pocket and runs through a rush lane instead of doing that reverse pivot crap and going back another 8 yards then throwing the ball up for anybody to catch.