Toomer's Oaks poisoned. Unlikely to live.

DawgatAuburn

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Not funny.

<font size="3">Toomer's Corner oaks poisoned with herbicide; unlikely to
survive


Auburn University today confirmed that an
herbicide commonly used to kill trees was deliberately applied in lethal amounts
to the soil around the Toomer's Corner live oaks on campus, and there is little
chance to save the trees. More information and ongoing updates as to treatment
and prognosis are available at www.auburn.edu/oaks.

The City of
Auburn Police Division is investigating the situation, and the application of
this herbicide, known as Spike 80DF, or tebuthiuron, is also governed by state
agricultural laws and the Environmental Protection Agency. The university does
not use Spike herbicide. There is no reason to suspect any human danger from the
herbicide, which manufacturer Dow Chemical says should be applied with proper
clothing protection; a typical use of the herbicide is to kill trees along fence
lines.</font><font size="3">

The university learned that a caller to The Paul Finebaum Show, a
nationally syndicated radio show based in Birmingham, on Jan. 27, claimed he had
applied the herbicide. As a precaution, soil samples were taken the next day and
sent to the Alabama State Pesticide Residue Laboratory on campus for analysis.
Due to a small fire that occurred in the Alabama lab in December, the tests were
sent to the lab at Mississippi State University in Starkville, Miss., to
expedite results.

The lowest amount detected was 0.78 parts per million,
described by horticulture experts as a "very lethal dose." The highest amount
detected was 51 parts per million, or 65 times the lowest dose. Experts believe
a normal application by itself would have been enough to kill the trees, which
are estimated to be more than 130 years old.

"We are assessing the extent
of the damage and proceeding as if we have a chance to save the trees," said
Gary Keever, an Auburn University professor of horticulture and a member of
Auburn's Tree Preservation Committee. "We are also focused on protecting the
other trees and shrubs in Samford Park. At this level the impact could be much
greater than just the oaks on the corner, as Spike moves through the soil to a
wide area." Additional tests are being completed to determine the movement and
extent of the area affected, Keever said.

The removal process involves
digging trenches and applying activated charcoal to absorb the herbicide from
the soil and block its progress. A representative from Dow Chemical, which
manufactures the herbicide, is advising the university on removal procedures,
and expert horticulturalists are also being consulted.

"We will take
every step we can to save the Toomer's oaks, which have been the home of
countless celebrations and a symbol of the Auburn spirit for generations of
Auburn students, fans, alumni and the community," said University President Jay
Gogue.

Gogue asked members of the Auburn Family to "continue to be 'All
In' in upholding its reputation for class" and not allow anger to be expressed
inappropriately or undeservedly.

"It is understandable to feel outrage
in reaction to a malicious act of vandalism," Gogue said. "However, we should
live up to the example we set in becoming national champions and the beliefs
expressed in our Auburn Creed. Individuals act alone, not on behalf of anyone or
any place, and all universities are vulnerable to and condemn such reprehensible
acts."

Because the application of the herbicide is being investigated,
no details about the investigation can be released. Anyone with information can
contact the Auburn Police Division at (334) 501-3110 or anonymously by voice or
text on the tip line at (334) 246-1391.</font><font size="3">

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DawgatAuburn

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Apr 25, 2006
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Not funny.

<font size="3">Toomer's Corner oaks poisoned with herbicide; unlikely to
survive


Auburn University today confirmed that an
herbicide commonly used to kill trees was deliberately applied in lethal amounts
to the soil around the Toomer's Corner live oaks on campus, and there is little
chance to save the trees. More information and ongoing updates as to treatment
and prognosis are available at www.auburn.edu/oaks.

The City of
Auburn Police Division is investigating the situation, and the application of
this herbicide, known as Spike 80DF, or tebuthiuron, is also governed by state
agricultural laws and the Environmental Protection Agency. The university does
not use Spike herbicide. There is no reason to suspect any human danger from the
herbicide, which manufacturer Dow Chemical says should be applied with proper
clothing protection; a typical use of the herbicide is to kill trees along fence
lines.</font><font size="3">

The university learned that a caller to The Paul Finebaum Show, a
nationally syndicated radio show based in Birmingham, on Jan. 27, claimed he had
applied the herbicide. As a precaution, soil samples were taken the next day and
sent to the Alabama State Pesticide Residue Laboratory on campus for analysis.
Due to a small fire that occurred in the Alabama lab in December, the tests were
sent to the lab at Mississippi State University in Starkville, Miss., to
expedite results.

The lowest amount detected was 0.78 parts per million,
described by horticulture experts as a "very lethal dose." The highest amount
detected was 51 parts per million, or 65 times the lowest dose. Experts believe
a normal application by itself would have been enough to kill the trees, which
are estimated to be more than 130 years old.

"We are assessing the extent
of the damage and proceeding as if we have a chance to save the trees," said
Gary Keever, an Auburn University professor of horticulture and a member of
Auburn's Tree Preservation Committee. "We are also focused on protecting the
other trees and shrubs in Samford Park. At this level the impact could be much
greater than just the oaks on the corner, as Spike moves through the soil to a
wide area." Additional tests are being completed to determine the movement and
extent of the area affected, Keever said.

The removal process involves
digging trenches and applying activated charcoal to absorb the herbicide from
the soil and block its progress. A representative from Dow Chemical, which
manufactures the herbicide, is advising the university on removal procedures,
and expert horticulturalists are also being consulted.

"We will take
every step we can to save the Toomer's oaks, which have been the home of
countless celebrations and a symbol of the Auburn spirit for generations of
Auburn students, fans, alumni and the community," said University President Jay
Gogue.

Gogue asked members of the Auburn Family to "continue to be 'All
In' in upholding its reputation for class" and not allow anger to be expressed
inappropriately or undeservedly.

"It is understandable to feel outrage
in reaction to a malicious act of vandalism," Gogue said. "However, we should
live up to the example we set in becoming national champions and the beliefs
expressed in our Auburn Creed. Individuals act alone, not on behalf of anyone or
any place, and all universities are vulnerable to and condemn such reprehensible
acts."

Because the application of the herbicide is being investigated,
no details about the investigation can be released. Anyone with information can
contact the Auburn Police Division at (334) 501-3110 or anonymously by voice or
text on the tip line at (334) 246-1391.</font><font size="3">

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tenureplan

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"with all the rumors, all we are mulling over is spike 80DF and whatfireplace we are going too"
 

vandaldawg

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He was nuts. Also claimed something like an impromptuparade (or something like that) was held in Auburn upon hearing of the Bear's death. To which Paul flipped his lid.
 

DeaconBeau

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I work in research and development at Dow AgroSciences, the pesticide portion of Dow Chemical. If in fact it was Spike 80 df at the ppm reported, the trees have little to no chance to survive. It may take a couple of years and several defoliations and refoliations, but the tree will die and there is no remedy to save it. Even removing the soil and placing the charcoal barriers out will have no effect on trees where the roots already were exposed to the soil applied herbicide. Auburn officials sould really be concerned if the herbicide was watered in and or received rain. It easily travels throughout soil columns and can move rapidly to off target areas. Tebuthiuron is RAPIDLY absorbed by roots. I have a feeling Auburn will be planting new trees.
 

Dawgzilla

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Not many, but a few. Of course, Bear was dead a month later, so the story gets exaggerated a bit.
 

quickdawg

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He said many Auburn folks figured the trees would croak at some point in the near future from the abuse suffered during the TP-cleaning sessions done with fire hoses. Whether that was a valid concern or not, I don't know, but seeing any majestic live oak go down is quite sad.
 

Dawgzilla

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TP produced from the Toomer's oaks! They could sell that for $1,000 per roll, and pay for the cost of transplanting a new fully grown oak.

I don't even know if its possible to make TP out of the oak trees, but who would know the difference anyway?
 

CarolynPhillippi

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I am really hoping we can find someone who had had a baby toomers oak planted in there yard for some time and maybe with alot of donations we could plant a tree that maybe 50 years old or more. I know I have over the years brought home and scattered toomers oak acorns so some could be baby toomers oaks but I don't know which.
 

Mjoelner

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Dawgzilla said:
They could sell that for $1,000 per roll, and pay for the cost of transplanting a new fully grown oak.
Or....if they sold 180 rolls, they could rent a new mule.
 

Rebels7

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Hell, I can understand the celebration for when he retired, but celebrating his death is above and beyond sick. Even Finebaum (can't believe I'm defending him) didn't go "apeshit." He simply said, "no way I believe that happened."
 

Shmuley

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Shmuley

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Since the damn trees were poisoned long ago? Did it have anything to do with counteracting Thayer Evans' article about the Thibodeaux ****?
 

Rebels7

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But since the douche called in on Jan. 27, and AU tested the soil the day after and had to send it to Starkville, I'm guessing it simply took a while for MSU to process the test results. It's not like the guy told Pawwwwll he did it last July.
 

Shmuley

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Rebels7

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(because that's hard to fake) simply to get the attention off of Camgate? Don't get me wrong, I hope they (AU and Cam) burn, but that's a little conspiratorial in my opinion. None of the problems you listed have anything to do with the soil actually being poisoned. Have some objectivity.

More importantly, if that was their intention, I don't see how that could possibly take the attention off of the powder keg that (hopefully) is soon to blow.
 

DawgatAuburn

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Really Shmuley, that's a huge reach. In fact, it's almost dumb. The oldest story you linked there talked about the age of the trees and the damage that had happened over the years. Guess what the newest one talked about - trying to provide "first aid" to the trees. So first something was ailing, then something got help. Nothing unusual there. As for the timing of today's report, to pull that off you would have to have communication and cooperation between athletics, the office of communication and marketing, the president's office, and the Auburn Police departmen. I can tell you with 100% certainty there is no way they pulled that off.

In related news, I saw Bobby Lowder at McAlister's today at lunch. He doesn't look so good.
 

xxxWalkTheDawg

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AU can find sympathy from me in the dictionary between **** and syphilis since they led the charge for the cowbell ban and they didn't seem to respect a long standing tradition there. <div>
</div><div>I hate to see any long standing oak die.. especially in a state dominated by hybrid pine like MS, but I'm not sending any sympathy cards.</div>
 

Shmuley

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I'm willing to believe that 130 year old live oaks turn brown and wilt in 2 weeks like a morning glory after a shot of roundup. I'm willing to believe Cam knew nothing of Cecil's pimping. I'm willing to believe that Trooper Taylor is a misunderstood Mr. Holland writing his coaching opus on the hearts and minds of pristine 18 year old athletes. I'm willing to believe Bobby Lowder wants only what is best for the University of Auburn, unrelated to its athletic pursuits and that his leadership of the board of trustees has been a selfless and tireless pursuit of purely eleemosynary ambitions.

Anyhow, it's kind of cool having someone physically on the ground down there actually seeing these people in person. But I have to ask you. Has Lowder ever looked good? I mean, that is one seriously f'd up looking bastard to begin with.
 

ckDOG

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But I would have to assume that there will be a lot of hell to pay for the moron that took their rivalry/hatred a little too far. I doubt the improper use of chemicals regulated by the EPA is a laughing matter to many people. Plus, seeing that Auburn is an Ag school, I'm sure all the local parties that can make this guy's life hell on earth are Auburn grads.
 

FlabLoser

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Rebels7 said:
But since the douche called in on Jan. 27, and AU tested the soil the day after and had to send it to Starkville, I'm guessing it simply took a while for MSU to process the test results. It's not like the guy told Pawwwwll he did it last July.
MSU was preoccupied by time consuming tasks and got to this as soon as they could.
 

Rebels7

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Chemical tests take time. Not everything is a direct attack on you or State. Relax.
 

Shmuley

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Dude, take your own medicine. You flat missed flab's intent in a huge way.
 

boomboommsu

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i assume the EPA stuff would be federal charges, so not filed in Auburn. meaning he would stand a good chance of getting a Bama fan on the jury.

local charges could be vandalism, destruction of property, etc, which wouldn't be a huge deal if he has no record. though i'm sure the local prosecutor will try like hell to come up with something more serious.</p>
 

Topgundawg

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Don't know the reason and don't really care. Just hate to see tree's from the 1800's going down in flames for any reason....

I don't care for Bama, Tigers, or the Bears but I don't want to see these grand ole boys getting 17ed. Hope they catch and cut the balls off who ever or what ever did this.....
 

MaroonedNdaRock

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Me thinks Schumly post are an attempt to direct attention away from the trees. It is about 99.999999% probable one of his brethren Crimson Neck did this.
 

boomboommsu

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Legally, it wouldn't be that tough at all to throw terrorism charges at him, with a real good chance they stick. Not saying he should, just commenting on how 'terrorism' was used to shoehorn into the law things that die hard law and order types hadn't been able to get before. He applied a dangerous chemical in a public area, that's more than enough for today's diluted 'terrorism' standards.