Top 15 most dominant North Carolina high school football programs since 2006
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I guess we wont see are friend 72 champ on this thread.....lol #5. How is the most dominant program in the history of civilization only #5.??
Do they not know that they play 3a teams?
Do they not know that they play 3a teams?
Oh we will be here. Do you see the rating criteria?
To force a 2A team to measure up on a 4A dominated year end ranking is ridiculous. Is it because if Shelby was awarded similar points on a strictly same class and lower LIKE 4A IS ON A 4A DOMINATED RANKING, SHELBY WOULD DOMINATE THOSE RANKINGS AND BLOW ALL AWAY FOR #1. Run a comparison and see.
Let's look at it based on same class or lower like 4A gets to do.
1. Butler - 3 Championship appearances, 3 Championship wins, 24 losses to similar or lower class schools
2. Mallard Creek - 3 Championship appearances, 3 Championship wins, 32 losses to similar or lower class schools.(no 2006 data, school built in 2007)
3. Charlotte Catholic - 5 Championship appearances, 1 Championship win, 22 losses to similar or lower class schools.
4. Dudley - 4 Championship appearances, 4 Championship wins, 26 losses to similar or lower class schools.
5. Shelby - 6 Championship appearances, 5 Championship wins, 9 losses to similar or lower class schools.
Give us true factual data, not data to make 4A look good.
Lets eliminate the stupid 3rd criteria and see who truly was the most dominate football program over the last 10 years. No comparison, hands down....you can all see who has been the most dominant.
To force a 2A team to measure up on a 4A dominated year end ranking is ridiculous. Is it because if Shelby was awarded similar points on a strictly same class and lower LIKE 4A IS ON A 4A DOMINATED RANKING, SHELBY WOULD DOMINATE THOSE RANKINGS AND BLOW ALL AWAY FOR #1. Run a comparison and see.
Let's look at it based on same class or lower like 4A gets to do.
1. Butler - 3 Championship appearances, 3 Championship wins, 24 losses to similar or lower class schools
2. Mallard Creek - 3 Championship appearances, 3 Championship wins, 32 losses to similar or lower class schools.(no 2006 data, school built in 2007)
3. Charlotte Catholic - 5 Championship appearances, 1 Championship win, 22 losses to similar or lower class schools.
4. Dudley - 4 Championship appearances, 4 Championship wins, 26 losses to similar or lower class schools.
5. Shelby - 6 Championship appearances, 5 Championship wins, 9 losses to similar or lower class schools.
Give us true factual data, not data to make 4A look good.
Lets eliminate the stupid 3rd criteria and see who truly was the most dominate football program over the last 10 years. No comparison, hands down....you can all see who has been the most dominant.
Funny how its stupid when it doesnt rank Shelby #1. Yesterday we are posting computer simulations on teams that havent even played a scrimmage yet.......today the data is stupid...
Nothing wrong with #5.....very respectable.
Nothing wrong with #5.....very respectable.
I am curious. Will there be a banner made and hung somewhere?? Maybe at the entrence to the city?
Welcome to Shelby. Home of the Golden Lions. The 5th most dominant football team of the decade. Right behind Butler, Mallard Creek, Charlotte Catholic and Dudley.
ROAR!!!!!!
Welcome to Shelby. Home of the Golden Lions. The 5th most dominant football team of the decade. Right behind Butler, Mallard Creek, Charlotte Catholic and Dudley.
ROAR!!!!!!
If a team is truly the single most dominant team in NC and nobody knows about it, is it truly dominant??
Sort of the tree falling in the forest theory....
Sort of the tree falling in the forest theory....
This was originally written to address a 2A matchup with 4A Rock Hill South Pointe In 2017.
This scheduled game is absurd.
The fact that, in all discussions, the absurdity of the matchup is ignored, misunderstood, glossed over, or deftly avoided make the discussions also absurd, but on a different level.
Absurd is defined as wildly unreasonable, illogical, or inappropriate. Inconsistent with reason or common sense. Having no rational or orderly relationship.
All the above apply to Shelby's choice to play South Pointe.
With that stated....we can't wait to play them. But for our own very simple and truthful reason.
What is the reason?
Certainly not to satisfy the arrogant snobs whose high school football world exists solely in the 4A classification in NC and only includes the 21st century. They do not know what they are missing and until now, sadly clung to their singular mantra of "play somebody" while rarely, if ever, venturing beyond competing with similar sized programs as their own.
Where is the fun in that?
No. The reason is both absurd and traditional for The Golden Lions.
We play anybody.
Always have. Always will.
For a NC public high school with a student population of 850 (Shelby) to schedule a game against another public high school with 1520 students (South Pointe) is absurd. SP has 80% more students from which to build a team. Almost twice as many.
But nobody wants to talk about that. Even the Rock Hill Herald in a preview article, mentions Shelby's student count, but mysteriously fails to mention SP's. Why? Better yet, why not?
Is it because with twice the potential talent pool to choose from, SP should easily win the game?
Is it not realistically two schools against one?
Would that not appear absurd?
The Golden Lions opposing two sets of players, fans, cheerleaders, and marching bands, at the same time? Why not have two fields so the Lions could move fields between teams? Or why not have Shelby play a second game against the balance of SP's talent immediately after the first game? Or how about SP starting 22 players on both sides of the ball against Shelby's 11?
Should we go on, or are you starting to get it?
Why does every state in the country have a classification system for their public high school sports competition?
All this is overwelmingly ignored by the fans, the media, and even the teams.
If you don't play and compete and win consistently against state champion caliber programs two to three times larger than yourself, then you have no right to place yourselves among the greatest of a given season, much less, the greatest of all time.
That is patently absurd.
That IS the dominant position of those that attempt to challenge that the Golden Lions of Shelby High School are the most successful, sustained, winning high school football program in North Carolina.
So let's dumb this down so everyone can understand what we are saying.
A county has 11 equal sized population neighborhoods of 500 students. Each neighborhood has about 50 teenage boys reasonably athletic enough to try out for football. The number of football superstars in a given neighborhood will vary from year to year, as will the number of boys who decide to try out.
No one can control those factors. A neighborhood can only foster and encourage the boys to play this great game.
Neighborhood A of 500 students decides it likes having its ONE HIGH SCHOOL with its 50 football players to build a team from. Call it 1A.
Neighborhood B and Neighborhood C (total 1000 students) decide to combine into its ONE HIGH SCHOOL now with 100 football players to build a team. Call it 2A.
Neighborhoods D, E, and F (1500 students) decide to all three combine into ONE HIGH SCHOOL and now has 150 players to choose from for its team. Call it 3A.
Neighborhoods G, H, I, J, and K (2500 students) decide to combine into ONE HIGH SCHOOL and now has the real possibility to build from 250 players. Call it 4A.
Why do 250 players not try out for football in 4A?
Because they won't get to play? Fair enough.
Because the superstars number so many that they take up all the positions and you can only put 11 on the field.
4A schools should be able to put primarily superstars on the field......all 4A schools.
The fact they do not is the fault of the schools, coaches, and the neighborhoods. And the kids.
It is surely not the fault of the 1A, 2A, or 3A programs.
So for a 2A team from a 2 neighborhood school to even consider going up against a 5 neighborhood 4A school is ABSURD !
But we choose to do it.
You guys want this made to be about scheduling and playing the elite 4A. 10 years ago in 2006, if Shelby had scheduled Independence for a four-game series beginning in 2013 to 2016, you would have been waiting for us to be blown out, only now realizing Shelby would have probably won all four games. Within the last 15 years, we played Freedom when they were the largest high school in the state and we also played North Meck when they were the largest high school in the state. It is not our fault they weren't elite. I don't think Butler or Mallard Creek would feel as confident today as Southpoint Rock Hill does playing Shelby this year.
But what you're missing is that 10 years ago, Independence was a reigning state champ.
So was Shelby.
4 years ago Mallard Creek was a reigning state champ.
So was Shelby.
This year, 2017, Rock Hill South Pointe is a reigning state champ.
So is Shelby.
20 years ago, Shelby was a reigning state champ.
30 years ago, Shelby was a reigning state champ.
What more do you need?
40 and 50 years ago Shelby was a raining state champ.
We played and beat Crest when they were defending state champs 4 times, 4A twice.
We played Gaffney and won in a year when they won the South Carolina 4A title.
We played Gaffney 4 times 20 years ago when they were on the verge of another state title.
No one of any classification has taken on the level of competition that Shelby has consistently for 50 years.
No, for 100 years.
We used to play universities.
We play bigger schools often and we win most. But we don't really care about that in terms of success. What we care about is sustaining it.
We care more about 10 years from now and maintaining that level of success, not trying to prove a point to those who can't see beyond their 4A bias.
While those people live and die in the the last twenty years, we're looking forward to the next five decades and feel confident that Shelby will still be there, playing championship-level football and still winning more than anyone else.
www.shelbyhighfootball.com
This scheduled game is absurd.
The fact that, in all discussions, the absurdity of the matchup is ignored, misunderstood, glossed over, or deftly avoided make the discussions also absurd, but on a different level.
Absurd is defined as wildly unreasonable, illogical, or inappropriate. Inconsistent with reason or common sense. Having no rational or orderly relationship.
All the above apply to Shelby's choice to play South Pointe.
With that stated....we can't wait to play them. But for our own very simple and truthful reason.
What is the reason?
Certainly not to satisfy the arrogant snobs whose high school football world exists solely in the 4A classification in NC and only includes the 21st century. They do not know what they are missing and until now, sadly clung to their singular mantra of "play somebody" while rarely, if ever, venturing beyond competing with similar sized programs as their own.
Where is the fun in that?
No. The reason is both absurd and traditional for The Golden Lions.
We play anybody.
Always have. Always will.
For a NC public high school with a student population of 850 (Shelby) to schedule a game against another public high school with 1520 students (South Pointe) is absurd. SP has 80% more students from which to build a team. Almost twice as many.
But nobody wants to talk about that. Even the Rock Hill Herald in a preview article, mentions Shelby's student count, but mysteriously fails to mention SP's. Why? Better yet, why not?
Is it because with twice the potential talent pool to choose from, SP should easily win the game?
Is it not realistically two schools against one?
Would that not appear absurd?
The Golden Lions opposing two sets of players, fans, cheerleaders, and marching bands, at the same time? Why not have two fields so the Lions could move fields between teams? Or why not have Shelby play a second game against the balance of SP's talent immediately after the first game? Or how about SP starting 22 players on both sides of the ball against Shelby's 11?
Should we go on, or are you starting to get it?
Why does every state in the country have a classification system for their public high school sports competition?
All this is overwelmingly ignored by the fans, the media, and even the teams.
If you don't play and compete and win consistently against state champion caliber programs two to three times larger than yourself, then you have no right to place yourselves among the greatest of a given season, much less, the greatest of all time.
That is patently absurd.
That IS the dominant position of those that attempt to challenge that the Golden Lions of Shelby High School are the most successful, sustained, winning high school football program in North Carolina.
So let's dumb this down so everyone can understand what we are saying.
A county has 11 equal sized population neighborhoods of 500 students. Each neighborhood has about 50 teenage boys reasonably athletic enough to try out for football. The number of football superstars in a given neighborhood will vary from year to year, as will the number of boys who decide to try out.
No one can control those factors. A neighborhood can only foster and encourage the boys to play this great game.
Neighborhood A of 500 students decides it likes having its ONE HIGH SCHOOL with its 50 football players to build a team from. Call it 1A.
Neighborhood B and Neighborhood C (total 1000 students) decide to combine into its ONE HIGH SCHOOL now with 100 football players to build a team. Call it 2A.
Neighborhoods D, E, and F (1500 students) decide to all three combine into ONE HIGH SCHOOL and now has 150 players to choose from for its team. Call it 3A.
Neighborhoods G, H, I, J, and K (2500 students) decide to combine into ONE HIGH SCHOOL and now has the real possibility to build from 250 players. Call it 4A.
Why do 250 players not try out for football in 4A?
Because they won't get to play? Fair enough.
Because the superstars number so many that they take up all the positions and you can only put 11 on the field.
4A schools should be able to put primarily superstars on the field......all 4A schools.
The fact they do not is the fault of the schools, coaches, and the neighborhoods. And the kids.
It is surely not the fault of the 1A, 2A, or 3A programs.
So for a 2A team from a 2 neighborhood school to even consider going up against a 5 neighborhood 4A school is ABSURD !
But we choose to do it.
You guys want this made to be about scheduling and playing the elite 4A. 10 years ago in 2006, if Shelby had scheduled Independence for a four-game series beginning in 2013 to 2016, you would have been waiting for us to be blown out, only now realizing Shelby would have probably won all four games. Within the last 15 years, we played Freedom when they were the largest high school in the state and we also played North Meck when they were the largest high school in the state. It is not our fault they weren't elite. I don't think Butler or Mallard Creek would feel as confident today as Southpoint Rock Hill does playing Shelby this year.
But what you're missing is that 10 years ago, Independence was a reigning state champ.
So was Shelby.
4 years ago Mallard Creek was a reigning state champ.
So was Shelby.
This year, 2017, Rock Hill South Pointe is a reigning state champ.
So is Shelby.
20 years ago, Shelby was a reigning state champ.
30 years ago, Shelby was a reigning state champ.
What more do you need?
40 and 50 years ago Shelby was a raining state champ.
We played and beat Crest when they were defending state champs 4 times, 4A twice.
We played Gaffney and won in a year when they won the South Carolina 4A title.
We played Gaffney 4 times 20 years ago when they were on the verge of another state title.
No one of any classification has taken on the level of competition that Shelby has consistently for 50 years.
No, for 100 years.
We used to play universities.
We play bigger schools often and we win most. But we don't really care about that in terms of success. What we care about is sustaining it.
We care more about 10 years from now and maintaining that level of success, not trying to prove a point to those who can't see beyond their 4A bias.
While those people live and die in the the last twenty years, we're looking forward to the next five decades and feel confident that Shelby will still be there, playing championship-level football and still winning more than anyone else.
www.shelbyhighfootball.com
Lol....If you guys beat Southpointe maybe you move up to 4th!!!!
You can just paint over the #5 on the banner.
ROAR!!
You can just paint over the #5 on the banner.
ROAR!!
Here is my suggestion-
Boycott!! Get with the powers that be. The prime minister of Cleveland County or whatever they call him and get Maxpreps banned from the internet. Better yet!! Shut down the internet like they do in North Korea!!
When you live in Shelby and turn on your computer( you guys have computers right??) All you get is Shelby Football. Com.
Maybe throw in some sites about lions.
Here is what im gonna do to help support the cause. HUNGER STRIKE. I need to shed some lbs. I am not gonna eat until MAX PReps fixes this outragous poll and places the Golden Lions in their rightful spot at the top if the list.
Whose with me!!! ROAR!!!!!!
Boycott!! Get with the powers that be. The prime minister of Cleveland County or whatever they call him and get Maxpreps banned from the internet. Better yet!! Shut down the internet like they do in North Korea!!
When you live in Shelby and turn on your computer( you guys have computers right??) All you get is Shelby Football. Com.
Maybe throw in some sites about lions.
Here is what im gonna do to help support the cause. HUNGER STRIKE. I need to shed some lbs. I am not gonna eat until MAX PReps fixes this outragous poll and places the Golden Lions in their rightful spot at the top if the list.
Whose with me!!! ROAR!!!!!!
I've been to North Korea and met their leader Mr. Dong. He is very knowledgeable about NC High School Football and he posts on this forum under the screen name CT147.
When Catholic played a team from Cleveland County
We have to move ahead of MC because you could not beat South Pointe.LOL
It would have been nice to see a Dudley MC(not the scrimmage) match up or Dudley vs Butler.
This is exactly what everyone has been trying to prove. Your stat shows it
You prove the point that so many people have been stating. The reason Shelby has only lost 9 games to teams that are similar or lower class is because the level of comp is weaker.
Guess from 2000 to 2006 there was absolutely ZERO competition in 4A....
You can't have it both ways.
Shelby has great tradition,but what want 4A teams play at Shelby then it could be decided each year if Lions measure up to top tier 4A teams